but I wonder if there's any truth you know any truth to that I have no idea because I heard both sides like hell no and then I heard well yeah um there was a a section that were dark-skinned that were and they were Jewish you know like of course no big deal so I don't know so hey we're live with Cola Cola how are you doing brother vid what up vid we were talking about we were talking about yay so that's where our names colon vid comes from vid what up so uh yeah we could just keep talking about this whole issue about uh the Jews who are the Jews and you said a lot of black people in Hollywood are starting to speak out and say yeah identify with my roots which are Jewish and you know got the Ethiopians that are connected their roots in Christianity go really deep and even back to Judaism so there's there's a lot of history with the Jews and uh Africa and the diaspora of course but um I don't know that much about it I'm not an expert about it but what I what I like to discuss as a Christian as a Catholic what I like to discuss is the reality that there is in Salvation history there's a role played by the chosen people people the Jews that were selected by God and sort of put that emphasis on it and I think that's what the uh African Americans are focused on like hey we are the chosen people we are special it gives them a certain uh uh what do you call it not like nobility I wouldn't say nobility but um a certain value I guess like an intrinsic value if they can attach themselves to that and there may be some truth to it but I don't know much about the movement I know there was also a movement of uh so-called blacks or whatever African-Americans or whatever that we're attaching to Islam and the Black Panthers and all these black movements I don't know that much about it yeah there's a new one okay there's a new one that's that's growing like crazy they're called they call them the Black Hebrew Israelites have you heard of them maybe in passing just like the name but okay one of the bigger ones there they their organization called iuic um um Israel United in Christ is what that stands for okay and if you want some fun and interesting you know videos to watch just look up iuic and they are very hardcore militant um aggressive um reading the scriptures um and just they they really but it's it's it's like interesting to watch but I in the future in the near future they're going to be a dangerous crowd we'll see very powerful and dangerous okay okay yeah they they're not shy to use force and violence to uh well yeah they don't they're they're you can see they're already they want to at all times but they know that they can't just attack but but once they're in you know some kind of power I feel they're they're not gonna be able to control themselves and they're going to do some attacking it's that's what it looks like but right now they claim we are not a hate group and we are not violent and all of that you know so so they behave themselves overall for now you know but but just aggressive with words and just with yeah so well you heard yeah interesting you heard my talk about the the problem of the Jews that I did and I talked about the analogy of the prison and I got prison gangs Got The Black Gang the Asian gang the white gang and the all these different gangs I guess there might be a small Jewish gang in the in prison but pretty small gang uh we got Muslim gang whatever uh you know that's a total uh turn off for me because I don't think that might makes right I don't like want to impose the truth with my fists and Christ calls us to suffer rather than to dominate with worldly power if he said if I wanted to fight I got the legions of angels ready to come and fight but that's my Kingdom's not in this world so uh when you describe this militant black Israelite Nation or whatever it is is a turn off for me it's just like no you missed the point of Christianity uh so you share that sentiment with me I guess yep big time and and thank God for that you know thank God for that it's a wonderful thing it is hard to suffer with joy but it's a wonderful thing that we don't have to fight physically or or whatnot unless it you know unless it comes to it for defense let's say but yeah I'm not a fighter and I don't enjoy it and you know so yeah well I I recently joined Twitter and I see occasionally there's this one person that I follow I'm not sure how I discovered them but they put a lot of videos of sort of just people in malls or in in fast food joints or on the subway or whatever just scrapping and fighting it just seems like a bunch of savage animals down in the states there and I don't know if it happens up here in Canada but all his footage is from the states and the guy and his followers might be a little bit racist because they're always pointing out that they're black people doing the violence and all this sort of thing and maybe that's predominantly the case I don't know but um it's just have you seen that like is this something that happens like fights breaking out with civilians in the mall or whatever yeah it's funny I haven't seen it in person much no but I've seen a lot of video footage where it happens and is it staged yeah no I mean not the ones I've seen there are I'm sure there's some but no not the ones I've seen even in high schools they have like girls girls attacking girls in high school it seems I know is it a rite of passage like I've seen the world seems to be coming more aggressive even you could see it in the road rage while you're driving man oh yeah everybody's just angry and no patience and so the aggression is definitely churned up it seems just more natural and more the majority of people you know aggression is really high for some reason yeah scary stuff yeah you gotta learn to diffuse all that diffuse that situation I think that comes from all the godlessness you know before they would say a prayer in In School at least and yeah it was very more organized now it's just doing thou Wilt right however you feel and there it is you know it gets more aggressive and more I guess the devil has his hands and more stuff I don't know yeah yeah yeah 100 100 I see that in the world and how how can we ignore that I mean I was upset today looking at uh what they're doing in the Ukraine they're attacking the priests and the churches and burning icons because zelensky said he he sees that the church as a threat so he's uh send in the thugs to intimidate and to destroy churches and stuff like that and burning icons and I know I understand there's politics in religion and there there are two Orthodox churches in in the Ukraine one that's Ukrainian nationalist one that's Russian and so I can understand there's politics mixed in with it but still why are you burning the icons of Jesus Mary and Joseph it just doesn't make any sense if you're Orthodox and you you have some political beef with this other Orthodox Church you don't burn Jesus Christ you don't desecrate the church you don't you know put your hands on a priest or a deacon you don't do that right you have a political problem just go you know figure it out in the political realm why are you using violence and desecrating holy sites I mean that's just I would never do that I would never do that in a mosque or in a in a Temple Jewish temple or a Hindu temple or I mean yeah we could disagree with them but we're really gonna uh use force does that you know does that work a lot a lot of it a lot of it comes from there's a lot of misinformation or even some truth where they say well that's not really Jesus and he didn't really have that color skin so therefore it's Satan so so they switch it to that's evil because it's not really him so there's their green light so well let me burn it down then you know and take their aggression out on it because there's a lot of the now the Christmas is evil you know the Easter is Ishtar you know you're you're dying you're dying the eggs because they used to sacrifice their children and dye the eggs in the child's blood and all of this stuff is um it's it's all over the place making people yeah you know yeah so a lot of it so there's so they're saying it's evil and so these statues are evil and that's how people easily will attack it then yeah yeah but I mean even I mean I I don't know like I mean in the worst case scenario you got like an abortion clinic like I've been here in Montreal to an abortion clinic just because it was in the same building where my church uh my my Chapel that I went to I was temporarily housed in this building so I just walked in the office I want to see what's an abortion clinic look like and it's like high security they've got plexiglass this is before covert by the way they had plexiglass they had like uh you know you had to talk through a grate and you know you need to pass the security before you even get let in through a door into the waiting room it's like high security but um it like it doesn't seem like a solution for me to walk in there with with weapons and like fire right and to like kill the staff and like I mean that's extreme like this is this is the satanic religion an abortion clinic where they're murdering innocent babies and it still doesn't appeal to me the idea of going in and burning it and destroying it and killing people and you know it just it doesn't seem like the solution right that's right and it's it's not it's not but that's that's where the Devil comes in people's minds are especially when you call it you know they want to be they want to follow God so the moment you say well that's the devil's work there there's their motivation to tear it down you know I guess that's what they call they're being deceived that's what they call a bigotry because when you do something in the name of God you say by God by God and that's where the word bigot comes from by God by God oh my God okay wow it comes from black God so when it's when you're a religious fanatic hypocrite using the pretext of religion for your hatred and your violence that's what bigotry is yeah yeah I remember me and my brother talking about it and when he was a hardcore Protestant and I was dabbling in protestantism and he brought it up one time like questioning like would it be the right thing to you know um tear down this this abortion clinic or burn it down like he was feeling like that wouldn't that might be the right thing to do you know what I mean and I was just like no no that's definitely not you know it's it's it's not you know so it's like I guess that's how I know some heavy deceiving going on there man it is my wife often says you know she wants the bad guys to be killed she wants Justice now you know in in global politics like these world leaders that are just evil and I won't name any names but uh she wants Justice she wants heads to roll and I just keep telling her no it's not okay well maybe you know maybe God's going to allow a certain amount of rebellion and violence and Vengeance but that's God's permissive will at work his his positive will is that these people repent and that they get saved so yeah I mean God can use God can use Psychopaths and murderers and rapists and abortionists to accomplish his ends but that doesn't mean that we can condone any violence ever like we can't and so yeah we do want Justice we do want Justice and we want people to stop doing evil but the best way for them to stop is for them to be educated and enlightened and to free themselves from the grip of Satan and to decide rationally and freely I'm going to serve God I'm not going to serve Satan anymore I'm going to serve God that's the best case scenario the worst case scenario is they just keep up they keep on doing evil and racking up the Judgment that's coming from God and then on Judgment Day I told Anna I said look you want to see these people judged the unrepentant do you want to see the unrepentant judged just wait just wait for Judgment Day and you're going to see it's a lot heavier than just chopping their head off it's a lot heavier than that and if you want to see the Judgment you're going to see it just be patient and just wait because they're facing the one judge the the one they can't lie to the one that can be bribed the one that will not um wrongfully uh accuse or that's that's the best part about it it'll be perfectly judged judged you know yep and and and and and it is and and which I think I learned from you that us as Catholics we are to love even our enemies so I mean I've heard it love thy neighbor for I love God and love thy neighbor I've heard it before but you've pressed it a few times and and it's like we are to even love our enemies and the right definition of love right yeah um I'm not the worldly version of love but and it's just like oh yeah that's right we are and that that answers everything because majority of people are like your wife you know they want yeah yeah kill them burn them oh that's the rapist that's to get them you know they would they want to see that they want to they're yearning for justice you know but when you trust God and you know that the Justice is coming then then yeah we can be patient and wait exactly how you just said you know so let's just hope you and I are on the right side of God's judgment on Judgment Day that's right that's what I'm worried about that's what I'm worried about not you not so much you but me no I'm not worried about you I'm not worried about you I'm about me so I'm you know I spend a little bit of time worrying about Hitler and Trudeau and Biden but most of my time is worried about me it's like you know when I walk into a church and there's the Beauty and the both sides of the coin right the Beauty and the the high ceilings and the long aisle and the there's the beauty and I love it then there's the other part I picture here's my long walk to go face God Almighty that he judge me you know and and it's just like said yes so I know what you're saying yeah sobering yeah yep yep very sobering it's why we meditate on the four last things death judgment Heaven and Hell gotta keep thinking about that and yeah yeah and then it's so funny though it's like I try to have that even balance because every time you know I fear I have that fear of God and then I just say but all I can do is trust you God all I can do is trust you and I I always jump back and forth you know or a healthy healthy balance of it you know yeah and then it's kind of like the analogy is uh a father you know your Earthly father it's like you know he loves you yet when you broke the rules and let's say you took the car now you crashed it you got to go face him you're scared you know what I mean so oh yeah it's like it's like both you know it's not one or the other because a lot of people will just pick one or the other and I think a balance is is is is is healthy absolutely absolutely absolutely yeah absolutely I I do spend a lot of time thinking about the whole Faith versus Works thing which the Protestants emphasize a lot and I I find a very useful that we have the Protestants that are are emphasizing that and I listen to a lot of protestant radio at work and uh you know maybe a couple hours a week anyway and uh you know that their emphasis on faith versus works it's it's good for me it's good for me as a Catholic because I have a tendency to want to you know do my checklist and get right with god with a checklist and that's not the way the way is through filial love and obedience like in the fear of offending God to be good for goodness sake because I don't want to offend God who's all good so I really I really benefit personally I benefit from meditating on the criticisms that come from the Protestants and they're right about a lot of stuff and we can take what you know the valid criticisms and we can use it and we can also say that they're wrong in their criticism because the Catholic church is not wrong about any aspect of our of our faith Journey they're not wrong it's just how we understand it and how we place the emphasis of all the nuanced teachings of the church they're so nuanced and they're so it's in like you said it's not either this or that black or white it's like those Shades of Gray and both we have to have the balance we have to have that relationship and this is another thing that the Protestants talk about a lot which is a personal relationship with your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ boom that's it that's what it's all about but as a Catholic how does what does that look like and how do we how do we uh uh walk with God in the economy of Salvation that God has set up for us like he gave us a church he gave us a priesthood he gave us the sacraments he gave us all these things we can't ignore those we can't we can't just pretend that you know like I heard on the Protestant radio the other day they were saying they were emphasizing confess your sins confess your sins confess your sins and they always had to put a little footnote saying but it's not in the confession Booth with a man that's a priest but yeah it is that's the way God set it up like I mean you know so it's just funny that's just funny it's just funny you know the the emphasis they place on all the Catholic stuff but then they want to say but oh no no but it's not sacramental it's not the priesthood it's not this it's not that but yeah it is that it is sorry yep yep exactly and it and it it just boils down to it is all God's grace in some sense we're just complying with it but it's all him you know it's all his grace that's it you know and then there's a mystery there that we're not going to understand and that's where all this um um um this this arguing back and forth and debating back and forth on is because there's mystery involved there you know we're trying to put words but there's a nice uh beautiful mystery that we don't understand but it is all God's grace for sure you know and the more we do the more we're just complying with God's grace that's you know that's that's really what it is but um I can't listen to many Protestants uh today because of how much they Veer away but there are a few I can and thank God for our church because now I can listen to a few Protestants and be able to discern oh he's speaking great stuff right now and then what came out of his mouth burnt wrong okay and then but keep listening to the good stuff good and then again he comes up burnt wrong okay but then here's some more good stuff right so thank God for our church that allows me to do that yeah uh remember this name Nabil Qureshi do you have you ever heard of him Nabil Qureshi no yeah listen man please watch a few of his videos I'll tell you uh I'll tell you what amazing Protestant amazing okay he was a Muslim um converted to Christianity um um ended up getting cancer and passing away really young shortly after So within 10 years of being a Christian but you you won't find a a more sincere sweetheart honest smart man that just loves God that knew what he was talking about and and there's not many exes I could give them you know what when I listened to him he's very inspiring and and sincere you know it's hard to find sincere you know especially when somebody's up on stage or giving a speech he's very very very sincere do you know what's funny Ravi Zachary ended up hiring him oh so he was working for Ravi Zacharias for a little while and then he ended up passing away from a stomach cancer okay so the story is amazing but just grab any one of his sermon or his his talks and just listen what it's hard to find that that love of Christ and how he emphasizes love people you're here to love now and just amazing so just watch one at least one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah send me a link if you will check out one of your favorites but yeah um okay yeah did you like Ravi Zacharias is he still alive and no he had passed away yeah he had passed away yep and then some dirt the some dirt was pulled up on him and everybody didn't know how to act like as if just because you're a Christian and you talk that you don't sin or something you know what I mean all right okay you know but I like some of this stuff and then some of it was too you can tell like he's a smart man but he he did some acting and some okay you know but whatever so I liked him a little bit he was smart he talked some good stuff but then I also noticed his acting and whatnot and his his image he want to show his image and whatever and this and that so why did do you know much about him or early on in my in my conversion I was listening to him [Music] um you know he didn't blow my socks off or anything but I thought he was a nice guy yeah I was watching a bit of uh uh that other famous guy uh Lane Craig Lane is that his name William Lane Craig yeah yeah William Lane Craig yeah yeah I was listening to him early on yeah uh I've since sort of realized that he's got some pretty wacky ideas in terms of yeah yeah yep but still yeah metaphysics and stuff like that and his of course christology or whatever it is is very very unorthodox I've come to understand but I haven't dug too deeply into it but yeah his essential beliefs on God of the Trinity or he has some kind of I forgot what they were calling it modal it may be modalism or something yeah something going on there but he's also he's also did a lot of good work you know just to bring people to Christ so the one that God uses everybody but the one I really really liked was Dr Peter krieft craved yeah yep the Catholic philosopher and uh yeah a lot of him early on nice and uh he seemed like a nice guy and uh Orthodox you know uh pretty middle of the road safe like uh not not trying to be uh eccentric or anything but just Wise Wise and humble that's what I felt for him too exactly um do you know uh David Anders Dr David Anders no uh he's a Catholic Theologian um one of the rare ones as well sincere down to the point emphasizes uh love of God and love of neighbor very smart but so his show is called call to communion okay it's also a rare a rare gem one of the rare ones hard to find um yeah so you'll like him as well yeah um hold on what was I gonna say before that while you were um we were on Ravi Zacharias and then William Lane Craig um Dr Peter yeah Dr Peter craved who else let's see um I think it was between William Lane Craig and Dr Peter oh okay I was gonna ask you because on your earlier podcast I heard you mention a few times to people about Jordan Peterson right you were just asking them has he caused any hype or whatever but you haven't mentioned him for a while what do you think overall of Jordan Peterson I don't like him I don't I mean I wish him well obviously but I don't I don't enjoy listening to the way he talks I don't like uh what he says I don't like the content or the presentation uh I wish him well like I mean I've got I've got a certain amount of sympathy for him because he's gone through rough times uh and I've got a certain amount of um what should I say camaraderie with him because he's very close geographically like from Toronto and like I'm yeah I'm born just a few hours away from where he was teaching so like yeah he's my fellow Ontarian fellow Canadian whatever so there's that there's that little bit of Pride like oh this Canadian guy like Celine Dion she's uh from Quebec you know and she's a big famous singer I don't like her music I don't like her music but I have a certain amount of pride like oh look it's just Quebec was woman and she's famous and whatever just you know I'm sure from your hometown you probably have some things I got Eminem Pride I live 20 minutes away from Eminem So yeah I got it yeah I drove by his house and he the Kmart mansion He had bought before and all of that so yeah yeah definitely yeah that's pretty cool I I do like I do like Eminem like I like the bad boy type of personality type so yeah I do like him the Rough Around the Edges Street wise kind of rough yeah potty mouth types that's my type yeah that's why I like you yeah uh it's funny though as um to Jordan Peterson like uh um yeah he has uh some wacky views or whatever but I feel like overall it just seems like God is using him to bring people yeah so God at least are just these atheists like oh yeah that's right God does exist duh you know oh really he's having that effect yeah definitely no way yes especially bringing people to respect the Bible to respect the Bible that it's truth Jordan Peter says stuff like it's not just true it's more than true and you know so he says some really good stuff and he's bringing yeah he's definitely just so I feel like besides those you know wacky views and not a grip on who God is exactly let's say yeah because we know that from the teachings of the church and yeah so he maybe is missing that but he's doing a lot of good I feel um that's good yeah just bring your little Ordinary People to just God that God exists at least and the respect of the Bible for sure I'm glad to hear that I'm very glad to hear that yes when I listen to him when I listen to him talk about philosophy maybe he's not a you know he's not a trained philosopher neither am I but his metaphysics is very weak and uh like I just find it hard to respect someone that's supposed to be a genius who hasn't figured out that God is real monotheism is true and then you know if he wants to be a Jew Muslim or Christian whatever it's like I'm not gonna I would I would be celebrating either way you know I'd celebrate another way and uh you know because like that example you gave of the Muslim who became a very sincere preacher and then he died uh his his monotheism was a very very very significant part of his journey into Christianity like it's huge it's huge so that's why I don't I'm not like the rad trats who hate Islam No I don't hate Islam I love Islam I love Islam to the extent that it's Catholic right and it's exactly it's a huge step towards Christianity and what's cool about what's cool about nabil's story is he brought his Muslim love for one God Almighty he brought that with him to Christianity yeah okay and that's what makes it that you know exactly what you're saying and what it's there is wherever the truth lies and people got a grip on it it's a good thing yeah it's a good thing and it's little do they know it's Catholic truth but it's it's still truth and it's a good thing you know so yeah yeah for sure that's that's how I see it and that's the way that the church which is Jesus Christ and his church teach that that that's exactly the situation here on planet Earth in the sick Fallen World everyone's hungry for the truth everyone even the the Satanist and the the abortionist they're out there studying learning trying to observe they're trying to gather the data they want the Intel they want to know they want to know they want to know and they want to understand and they're they're giving glory to God now they're not giving to Glory they're not giving to glory to God on purpose they're not doing it in a way that's conscious like saying I give you glory god that's the next step but the first step is they're going to give glory to God just through their Pursuits and through their being just their very being so like everything's giving glory to God the the the way to get to heaven is to give glory to God consciously purposely and to make a decision of free and rational decision to say hey God I glorify you I give you all the glory but um the those who sadly will end up in hell they also give glory to God while they're on Earth and even while they're burning in hell they're giving glory to God right yeah yeah yeah um it's funny because uh I was on this topic conversation with my wife like last week or whatever you're just driving and I was talking about God and whatever it's like these new that's why a new Guru could come out tomorrow when people love it and they they um they latch onto it right right away because it's like he's talking about what is our purpose here right what it's like these are the questions of a child why am I here that we all have right why am I here what happens when we die what is this you know all those questions that people still at we have that truth we're we're so blessed that God gave us that truth man and I and it hurts me that somebody's walking outside right now and that they don't know that the truth is right there for them you know yeah that it's it's there for them all those questions that they have struggling with every day that they have the truth there if they just reach out and grab it and that we're blessed to have it in the church through Jesus Christ you know it's it's it's really amazing it really is yeah so close yet so far you could be you could be married to someone who doesn't get it you know that's the sad thing they're uh they're couples like that uh one of them gets it one of them doesn't get it one said yes to Grace the other one hasn't yet said yes to Grace and Saint Paul talks about that in the Bible like you know you can sanctify your wife or you can sanctify your husband the unbeliever but he also says well you can't be sure that it's going to happen either right so Saint Paul says in the same breath like yeah you know uh you your faith can sanctify your your spouse but he also is realistic in saying but it's not guaranteed now if you know if I became a lot Holier and if I would kill my love of self I think I'd be transforming my wife and my all my family and friends just by my pres presence of just that christ-like thing that would you know indwell in the fullness of uh if I'm walking around like a saint right so I I do bear a certain responsibility for uh those around me too and that's why we have to take our own Journey seriously and say why am I not more on fire why am I still being selfish selfish and lukewarm like why like what I love how you said in one of your videos that you're like I'm always amazed how I'm always amazed how little I do for God I started laughing I'm like yeah that's me too I'm just so I'm amazed on how little I do man that's funny like I'm always amazed on how little I do for you so yeah it's true and that's pretty funny man but you know what's funny what you said it it's true and I see that truth right that if we were more like a saint we would transform people but there's also the other half where they Christ says for my name you know people will hate you right and will so I wonder where that balance where that balance is or just does it lie in each individual person or is it you know 70 30 it's a percent that we you know or and just that because sometimes I think of that as well because yeah you know you got the Protestant that's out there he made his sign with a big fire you're going to hell you're going to hell you're going to hell and then the moment they say come on man you're not doing it right see they hate us because we're doing Jesus Christ's work you know it's like they they use that right away it's like no no no they hate you right now because you're being a noisy gong as Paul said because you have no love right so you're just being a noisy gong is what you're being and that's why they hate you you know but yeah have you had this conversation with these Westboro Baptist Church types have you had the conversation with them I tried through the internet a few times these smaller Channels with a few guys I was like hey I'm just wondering if you would have a conversation one day you know with the Catholic because there they are Catholic bashing so the moment I hear the Catholic bashing I jump on their comment section I said are you willing to talk about because I've seen you know whatever I say I see a few errors in which you think the Catholics believe so are you willing to talk about it and so far all five of them are just like you know whatever they'll just respond they won't do it number one and number two is they're just repent sinner they go to me and I'm like yes I know um we are taught to repent and I do repent as a sinner so tell me something I don't believe you know already please you know but so I'm just like are you I'm asking you again are you willing to have a discussion I said and maybe you defend what you believe biblically and now you know and but they so far all five of them won't do it you know it was only about maybe five I reached out to they're little smaller channels but there they were with their sign of hell yeah and outside of Catholic Church two of them were wow um attacking people walking out of the Catholic church so that's what kind of got me a little upset you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure there's no need for that and this circles back to what we were talking about the militant uh religious Hypocrites the bigots and uh you know I can't I can't claim to be superior to these people because I'm not but uh we we have like I have a log in my eye but I can still see the spec in their eye you know what I mean so uh by the way I figured out sorry I just figured out why the analogy why did christ use the log analogy in the eye you know I was just randomly thinking about it one day I was like why does he use a log in the eye and spec why in the eye and it's just like oh when you got a log in your eye you can't see okay if you have something blocking your vision you can't see what's really there yeah and this is what happens when we have a log in our eye which most of us do okay we're not really seeing what's right in front of us we're not seeing the truth we really can't see the logs in the way yeah you know yeah yeah so um total blockage of your senses yep yep exactly yeah sorry to cut you off exaggerate it no but it's it's interesting but uh you know one of the criticism I had of that uh just sort of a hypothetical Devil's Advocate sort of criticism of that parable was that like if I'm able to see the speck in your eye and even in spite of the fact that I have a log in my eye okay granted I have a log in my eye but if I'm in spite of that log I'm seeing the speck in your eye isn't it still isn't it still charitable for me to say hey you got a speck in your eye and I could even remove it for you so uh this is just playing Devil's Advocate and I'm completely missing the point of the parable here kind of on purpose just just for fun well I know what you mean yeah but that's why he says remove the log out of your eye first then you will see clearly he says or you will see clearly the room remove the speck out of here so the I guess the answer to my little question is because it's not very not a serious question but the answer is that I'm not seeing clearly enough to do the delicate removal of the spec even though I see I might see it or I might be seeing something that I think is a spec but it's actually not because I'm not seeing clearly that's the problem yep yep there's that as well there's that as well or you can I think it's depending on the person and the relationship and with the you know if it's let's say your blood brother you can or or your close friend you can or maybe your wife you can but is it really a spec that's all that's and what you just said that's true so you know it could you're seeing a spec that's not there maybe or there is a spec that's truly there you know it might be it might be I just thought about this it might be a spec in my eye that is projected in the field of view so I'm seeing this this dark spec but I think it's on your eye because I'm looking at your eye but whatever I look at I'm going to see that spec because it's in my eye yeah because if you ever stared into this clear blue sky and you've seen those floaters like the weird the stuff that's on your eyes so I'm thinking like that like where I exactly misattribute that to the sky like I'm like oh have you seen the things moving in the sky no that's not in the sky that's in your eye yeah yeah yeah you know it's amazing how much in this world that what we see is actually um perspective yeah and we we walk around thinking I just I see what I see and that's it right right there's perspective and there's interpretation of it and it's amazing the difference it's mostly CGI it's mostly computer generated imagination that's what it mostly is because when we're able to look for even a second like how Christ sees somebody that that's a human being that he loves that he died for that all of a sudden that chunky girl is is I don't see her chunkiness no more you know what I mean and I don't see her and there's it's just amazing but yeah we just walk around like weekend like we know it all judging and we see it all right then we uh wrong interpretation that's for sure yeah yeah that's why we're spiritually blind that's what it means and uh yeah luckily yeah I mean you have the gift you had your encounter with God and with Jesus and you you can see through the veil and you're in touch with uh the mystical reality and more than most that I've met you know in the church or out so still poorly still weekly still so much improvement just just so you know it's still much more to go yay of course it's at the beginning but because it's funny my spiritual journey too has been like I never prayed as less as I've been praying lately okay oh yeah but when I truly examine myself it seems like I'm stumbling uphill because I always include God in in my thoughts as I'm driving as I'm I try to include him in the sincere way now so I'm not doing the formal 20 minute half hour hour prayers as much as I was before let's say but I've never been including God so consistently and so sincerely and through my heart and through my mind and know that he's listening and trust that he hears everything and trustee knows my heart and Trust so I'm kind of stumbling uphill I would have to say or I would hope to think I'm stumbling uphill at least you know yeah yeah yeah but I definitely need to do more formal formal prayers and more now get to the written ones and the ones from the Saints and I definitely have to do that more because I'm a lazy slothful mess that's why yeah yeah you know no no but you you uh your journey is similar to mine in that uh in the past couple of years like we were talking about before we went live I've really been struggling with my faith the the prayer life the sacrament's been suffering because of covet and other things so yeah uh but I have had this movement toward the spontaneous connection the um recollection the recollected state I'm not saying I'm good at it I'm not saying that I'm like in the zone but I'm more prone to just have that gentle connection reminder of recollected state where it's just like you know the idea that I've been toying with to help me because I'm sort of depressed spiritually because of my life my spiritual life is suffering the past couple years so it brings it brings a bit of sadness and just depression so um that comes from Pride too thinking like oh who am I to you know to think that I'm you know even worthy to be a Christian right so there's probably there's always Pride if there's sadness and there's joy if you're a saint if you're in love with God then you're not worried about being a loser and a pervert or whatever right so um that's what the Saints always say like they're in Joy because they're not focused on themselves right but what I've been doing lately is thinking about like have you ever seen where the um like you can go to teach your parent day or whatever like bring your bring your teach bring your parent to school and he'll tell I'm a fireman this is what I do in front of the class and the daughter is very proud of her daddy and like introduces her best friend to her daddy and this sort of thing so that's what I'm trying to do with Jesus I'm trying to bring him with me to work bring him on bike rides bring him when I'm eating bring him and have that Pride like and also I'm gonna be on my best behavior I'm not gonna be like checking out hot chicks while I've got Daddy with me you know what I mean so that's right uh just that awareness and you know it's a bit of a psychological trick to say hey I'm going to bring Jesus with me and it seems like play acting or fake or phony or imagination but you know it's real you know it's real you know that Jesus is beside you he's inside of you he's with you so it's just trying to trick yourself into getting in touch with that reality that mystical reality so I'm trying I'm trying to have more of that and to feel less guilty about my formal you know set prayer life my set prayers I still pray my set pray prayers every day but it's not in a very connected way it's more just going through the motions so I'm benefiting from this other side project which is like you said in between the prayers in between the prayers just being having that simple awareness and it's in the moments of uh you know because I'm in sort of a period of despair and sadness which is forbidden by the church but I'm that's just where I am so um during this time I'm sort of the consolation I guess you could say is dabbling with that simplified presence of bringing Jesus with you and I think that could uh open up a new chapter in my prayer life so then if I get out of this rut then I can have both and I have Jesus with me during my prayers and have connected prayers and yeah stuff like that so it sounds like you are doing something similar yep it is it is I just got to get more to some of the formal ones and spend more consistent time let's say in in straight straight prayer but but all day I'm doing the and I keep a bottle of holy water in my car so it's like daily I'll do at least the holy water sign of the cross you know um yeah just always just and including them in my thoughts and my prayers and random just when I think of something good that I have let's say like my children or my wife or some good happens or I just smile and give them a thank you God I love you and just those those their sincerity to him you know that's trusting trusting him yeah that's a sweet moment of intimacy and that's yeah that's what the Protestants want us to have and that's what we have we have that right and more like we have that available to us we have it available to us everyone has that available to them and like you said it's like some people go through life seemingly with without even giving it a thought that they have gone and then they have the God man Jesus Christ that they can that they can love and worship and enjoy that friendship with that intimacy with right yeah like like me not to get too personal let's say or whatever but me and my wife been bumping head um for a few weeks or whatever or a few months let's say um for a good reason you know we we moved in with my mother for now or whatever so we'll bump heads or some or whatever and then I'll just I'll pray to God you know to just help us help this guide my marriage guide her guide my mother whatever and then just all of a sudden like my wife will come home and she showed me a prayer book that she ordered she's like look this came in today that I ordered that I have to do and I I give her a smile I turn around and right away I look up I'm like thank you God you know like give him the thanks you know right away because I know if it's left to me if I guide my marriage completely on my own uh forget it forget it man I'll tell you that much so so I beg God and it's like you know when he just answers I I try not to never forget to thank him and just you know so you know I've been I've been Catholic since 2009 and to this day since the beginning it's been how many years now 12 years 13 years to this day I still forget to pray before and after my meals but I'm getting better I'm getting better because I started a spiritual Journal so I keep track of when I say my prayers so it's helping it's helping and uh but just to put it in perspective like I've been Catholic for 13 years and I still struggle just to give thanks to God from the food that I eat think about that think about that so that tells you that the patience of God and the long-suffering exactly just reminded it reminded me of one in Nabil qureshi's um talks he start the man has cancer okay they told him he has nine months to live okay he had just passed nine months so he has maybe Days to Live or hours to live and he starts out with the well let's pray let's praise God please oh God he says thank you there's so much to thank you for he says there's so much to thank you for first that you gave us your word and written you know the Bible or whatever but he says but this means we can read he goes and then this means we have eyes he says that we can see oh Lord thank you that we could even see and then think and he just goes and it it really melts your heart and it really humbles you to help you realize that I forget to thank him for my two legs that I could walk in my two hands and my two eyes and my taste buds and my ears that I could hear did you ever watch a video of a child here that can hear for the first time and then his reaction and then the parents reaction and and we have that every day yeah okay yeah and we and yeah we didn't thank God our our whole floor 30 years 50 years on this life for it yeah we're so we are so selfish we are so so that's all I know Alice and cold yep hearts of stone hearts of stone big time man Place My Heart of Stone where does it say in the Bible please replace my Heart of Stone with the heart of Flesh what was that I know we're used to it I think I'll look it up yep I forget I forget that's what it is it's My Heart of Stone man yes it's a mystical magical fairy tale I'm the little wooden puppet boy I want to be a real boy I want to be a real boy it's like the light like I said I use this once with you in one of our videos but it's the light bulb plugged into the electricity talking about I'm the light bulb I'm the big strong light bulb given this room the all the light I'm doing it all and yeah as soon as I screw him out of the electric he's done for it and I drop him and he just crashes all over the place and is nothing now that's what we are man where that light bulb plugged into God and yeah we just forget to think you know Ezekiel Ezekiel is the Book of Ezekiel 36 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you I will remove from Your Heart of Stone I will remove from you Your Heart of Stone and give you a heart of Flesh that's always been one of my favorites that's from Ezekiel and I think Jeremiah says something about this too that's awesome I knew her you know I will give you yeah in Hebrews you know and I ask you is do you know what the church teaches about is every human being considered a child of God let's say even if they're going to hell or not or is it just the ones that are going to make it to Heaven that are a child of God or is it just the ones that were baptized do you know anything about it I've heard all those different uh ideas and I I in my personal reaction to the Dilemma or the quandary or the controversy my personal reaction is to just say well it depends how you're using the word and you're I'm okay with using it this way or that way or the other way but let's be honest there's a difference between being someone that ends up in hell and being someone that ends up in purgatory and being someone that goes straight to heaven like those are the those are the things that we know are distinct categories like you know the Saints who Skip Purgatory altogether because they they did their Purgatory here and they they loved God perfectly their their qualitatively different from People Like Us who are not yet Saints and maybe you and I will get there in this lifetime but for myself it's not looking too good right now um and then the reprobates you know those poor souls who say no to God ultimately and end up in hell like there's no there's no higher contrast possible than thinking about the Saints and thinking about the reprobates burning in Hell there's just there's no contrast uh more powerful than that so when it comes to labeling oh which ones get the label of child of God well I mean let's say that they're all called the child of God well there that doesn't erase the difference between the reprobate and the saint it doesn't have any bearing on anything and it just introduces confusion so if you want to stick with one definition just pick one and we'll stick with that but if people want to have different definitions then let's just be clear about what we're talking about are we talking about a saint are we talking about a sinner we're talking about someone that's going to go to hell because those are the realities the ultimate realities right and the label yeah the label could be used a million different ways I could use Son of God to talk about this coin here like this coin this is the Son of God okay so now we're gonna have a debate like oh whose definition of Son of God is it David's definition with his coin well yeah who cares who cares about the label right like if you're talking to David in his coin shop and he's got a coin called the Son of God in that context that's what the word means and big deal right so it's all it's not about it's not about the word games it's about the Ultimate Reality and where we're where we're headed and those are the three those are the three uh three categories you know and and the reality I guess in the this way that everybody's a child of God that God died for them yep and they have that gift if they just reach out and and if they want it yeah like a lot of the the rad trots will get very particular about word usage and I think it's a trap of Satan I think it's a trap of Satan because yeah you know the Ultimate Reality for example in the in the new Mass the novus ordo uh uh they will nitpick on some of the wording right in the English or vernacular or whatever language it is not in the Latin but in whatever language and they'll get picky about the language but I think they're completely missing the point and they're making like making a big stink about uh something that's non-essential really and it's a distraction and it's a cheap shot and it's not it's not getting to the heart of the matter and you know a hundred percent agree yeah I understand because what if the priest has a stutter now what right up and see you have to follow that same level of argumentation if you're saying the words matter that much yeah now well this pre-stuttering well maybe he hasn't consecrated that host yes strong accent this is my buddy you know it didn't work see it's the combination of it it's this it was the intentions are at play it's God's will at Play It's then it's the words as well then so there's more than just you know the words that's that's for sure this is not magical incantation with you all the dance moves right on the dance floor and then God's gonna jump through your hoop no yeah exactly yeah and uh how the devil's the devil could grab us you know in any the saddest one though is when when One Believes to be following God like I think of I would say Peter diamond the diamond Brothers is who I think of and then that my heart hurts because he really thinks he's doing God's will you know completely but then the division is causing as bad as a set of a contest you know yeah it's it's really bad and it's just like gosh how the devil could grab us in any angle when we're not if we're not Vigilant trusting him completely and just you know I don't know but it's bad it's bad because before I would easily fall if someone is dressed nice and has a Bible in their hand he knows what he's talking about that's that's all it's all in support you know it's like yeah all he knows what he's talking about he's trustworthy it's like you can now you see that that oh that's far from the truth you know that is far from the church yeah yeah so I have a question for you it's a hypothetical situation okay so uh you go to a a different uh Parish or your Parish has a different priest or whatever for whatever reason or maybe it's your your long-standing priest whatever whatever the situation is the background for whatever reason the during the sermon this particular priest says something and it's unambiguously anti-catholic case it's just not Catholic okay it's not Catholic so um he talks about the real presence is just uh you know it's a way for us to understand the symbolism and this and that but it's not really transubstantiation is outdated and we used to think this but now we understand it's not or whatever or he says something about like Love Is Love and homosexual unions are just we have to bless them and whatever or like says something where you understand in your own hurt that no this the church does not allow this like a women priest or whatever um something that you are convinced is wrong and that it's it's anti-catholic so what would what would some examples be where you have the nerve and the courage after Mass when you go back and you're shaking hands with the priest uh which they do in some parishes um where you would have the nerve and you would feel the responsibility to talk to the priest or make a at least make an appointment to talk to him and say hey I'd like to talk to you about um something you said in the sermon like how far would they have to go where you would have the nerve and the courage to say I have to tell this guy I have to talk to him I have to if not correct him at least make sure that I've understood him correctly and yeah what kind of like how far would it have to go I would say it depends on the topic but see the one you picked is is essential you know like the Eucharist if he's saying it's now truly the body and blood or it's just a symbol that would be enough to approach him in a loving Manner and ask him do you really believe this or was this a slip of the tongue or whatever so so if it's essential like that that's all it would take but if it was something a little minor I'd give him a few strikes like this is this what he believes maybe he's having a bad week whatever and if I keep seeing strikes you know then it'd be like yeah but it's all about I would still approach him in a respectful way as as a child and just be like do you really believe that you know and so where then it would leave no conclusion I mean no no other way out that if he said like yes I just believe it's just a symbol and that's all it is or whatever I would say okay you know I think the church teaches something else I would just tell him with love and I probably would have to not come back there you know yeah yeah yeah I probably just wouldn't but I wouldn't do it like and it'll be you're a heretic because again I believe really Paul meant what he said man if it's not in love and sincere it's just like you're just uh yep you're a noisy gong that's it and you can see that and so so yeah it wouldn't if it's essential I I would I would you know I would hate to but I would do it for sure and if he wouldn't change his view on it then you know but uh that would be enough to push me away you know but God is still awesome that that don't mean the Eucharist is not the Eucharist you know yeah even if it's that priest that don't oh yeah yeah for sure Believe it or he's having his trouble for the moment or whatever so yeah I met a priest who is a monk and he was Italian I met him when I first joined the church and he was the most one of the most touching priests that I had met at that time early on in the in the church and probably still to this day because he was just very sincere and humble and and uh he had gone through recently before I met him gone through a period of almost atheism as a priest and as a monk okay so he was describing to me how painful it was to get up and to go through the motions as a non-believer or at least in a crisis of Faith like I don't want to put words in his mouth because you know I I'm not sure if he crossed the line like into atheism or whatever but it's certainly a crisis like just like confusion doubt whatever and uh he was just explaining how painful it was and how happy he is because something happened like God moved in his life to give him the clarity that he needed and to bring him back to the fullness of his faith and he's so on fire for the faith now and all this sort of thing but he went through that you know that crisis of Faith as a priest as a monk can you imagine how embarrassing that would be yeah yeah just internally like with his dialogue with himself and uh you know tentatively reaching out like God if you're real like I'm in a weird situation like I'm I'm your priest but I'm not sure you exist and um yeah I'm representing you but I don't believe or whatever like that just must be an awkward how many priests are going through that that's right how many priests are going through that they they have a hard job man even sitting there and hearing our confessions and just doing that on a daily basis it's just wow wow wow you know I can't imagine that's a tough job it really is yeah that's why the graces are there The Graces are there but you have to as I've learned over the past couple of years it doesn't matter how many Graces God's offering you if you don't if you don't quite if you don't cooperate with those Graces it's useful it's useless it's rendered useless by your own self-love your own will you know your your Godless selfless uh selfish will is rendering null and void All The Graces that God's given you that's right so like I mean I talked about a couple of times like my prayer life and how even in my darkest times like wallowing in the muck of sin and this sort of thing over the past three years occasionally how I would still do my prayers but it's just like a completely void and vacuous empty Hollow thing like just completely like today when I'm praying today like today I'm gonna I said my morning prayers I'm gonna say my evening prayers whatever it's kind of like you know sixty percent uh Power or whatever you know it's it's never been at a hundred percent I've never I've never really prayed really well ever but um you know I think I've got up to a good 75 80 power of prayer like where it was like I was into it and I was connected and not distracted and and not being flooded with weird thoughts or whatever but you know today my it's still mediocre but at least I'm not in that sort of where I can I can really feel like when I when I let the demons in I can feel their presence it's like a hollow sad confusion and and distraction and like yeah you're not fully there you're not fully alive and yeah you don't have the peace you don't have the clarity you don't have the vision you don't have the the the sanity you don't have uh that connection and it's just like I wonder you know I wonder for the atheists because I was atheist most of my life and I never felt I didn't feel like that you know but now now that I've been given the grace of conversion when I let the demons in which is a voluntary act like hey yeah this is pleasure I like it let the demons in when I do that you know it's a palpable thing it's like it's like you can tell the difference in your mood and in your thoughts and everything so um it's sort of like a privilege I get it's sort of a I'm trying to see the Silver Lining on this this past three years where I can actually see that wow like being Christian being Catholic is real because now I can feel the difference between letting the demons in and kicking them out with confession and uh and the sacraments are you have you have you gone through that ever since your conversion your reconversion or do you have you never let the demons in oh man of course the demons always creeping but you know my story is is long and I had a an amazing amount of consolation when I first reverted back to the Catholic faith yeah how many years ago was that um five just over five years now okay yep it was as my it was while my wife was pregnant with my first child my daughter so she's five she turned five so it was just yep so that's how I know is the age of my daughter but um oh man that constellation was amazing for two weeks three weeks straight the most the time I try to say God or God Almighty or Jesus I would burst out in tears and start crying I swear it was like I couldn't even say his name without bursting out in tears and gasping for some breath the whole year getting the Eucharist by the time I got up there I was I'm like this balling in tears man tears of joy tears of unbelievable men unbelievable you know so uh so then after I had that for like two years straight you know and then once that that kind of went away got and then is like had to learn how to not let the feeling yep not let the feelings guide me and now I'm just really trying to learn how no matter how I feel yeah that I still stay with trust and with prayer and with love with God and love of neighbor and while trying to love neighbor you know just you know and just trying really hard to to to do that and you know the little I do it's so little and it's just like wow you know so wow but yeah but but definitely definitely and again it's all for a good reason because God knows best you know he gave it to me when it was right time and he took it away when it was the right time you know yeah and it was to learn it was to learn um to make me a better person for sure you know um so but now I'm really really just trying to to still be in the world but not of the world trying to live a normal life without without veering away from my Catholic faith you know trying to have the balance of it you know and not let my feelings guide me no matter what you know of course I'm not gonna feel like going or feel like praying or fear at times or whatever I'm trying to find this consistency where this is automatic no matter what and then any extras and cool and but at least those basic and those sincere and those no matter how I feel I'm you know that they be there yeah that's all yeah well when I think about like we talked about earlier with the faith versus Works thing and of course we can't work our way to heaven and all this sort of thing and we just have to be good for goodness sake and our our ability to correspond with the grace or cooperate with the grace is in and of itself a grace of God and all the glory goes to God and all sorts of things but you know uh I do like I mean and I also mentioned the other aspect of this whole struggle which is um Pride the pride of thinking well you know I went uh 10 11 years being like uh you know my behavior was better whatever like for me personally like the first 10 11 years until covid was just like pink cloud and just like you know no thinking back on another few lustful thoughts but not not a lot but um I was in control and it was just like the high the pink cloud like riding on that high of the conversion of the constellations and all this sort of thing but then there's the pride there's that pride of thinking that you are you know you've arrived somewhere or that you have you're untouchable like Satan can't touch me these sorts of things yep so I think I think I'm trying to give myself the Silver Lining to say well my pride is under attack now and God's allowing me to fall and show how weak I am so that I can learn not to trust myself only to trust God and to learn not to trust like you said my feelings not to follow the feelings but to do what's right because it's right and you know it's right right like every time I sin I know it's wrong every time I sin I know it's wrong whether it's being lazy at work or whether it's checking out the hot chick is walking down the street in the summer or whatever it is like I know it's wrong but I think hey it's right there it's easy it's quick and it's just uh it's pleasurable whatever I'm just gonna indulge in my sin because I want to right and I know it's wrong and you know you God will not punish you for any thing that you were not aware of doing wrong he will not punish you for that right that's that's called innocence when you just make a mistake unwittingly that's innocent he does not punish the innocent he punishes you because you know you knew it was wrong and you did it anyway so I'm trying to I'm trying to uh I'm trying to benefit from this painful three years of realizing that I'm a sick miserable Sinner and I'm weak and whatever and uh like just learn from that accept that and be humbled by that and then get to the next stage which is like Saint Paul like I was thinking about Saint Paul while you were talking because Saint Paul learned how to enjoy being rich poor wet dry cold whatever yeah you know yeah good fortune bad fortune it doesn't matter like he's just you know eyes on the prize Eyes On Christ and so like that's that is the goal I've always known that's the goal but you know it's like we get discouraged easy yeah yeah and the you know every day at work I'm like oh I'm annoyed I'm annoyed by the people at work I'm annoyed by the task I'm annoyed by the demands that are made on me I'm annoyed by the traffic if I'm out of traffic whatever like everything's annoying and I have the thought you know that comes to me the religious Pious thought that comes to me that this is this is good this is purification this is my Purgatory this is you can use this the this is an opportunity this is an opportunity but you know in the abstract I like the idea of the opportunity but in the moment it's just like this is annoying I want it to end exactly and I don't want to suffer I want pleasure I do not want to suffer I want pleasure I want pleasure right now I want to go home I want to sleep I want to eat I want I want to go to bed like yeah so in the abstract in theory you know suffering suffering suffering you listen to all my 300 plus episodes on my podcast I'm always praising suffering but when it comes down to it any mild inconvenience it's like not now I don't have time for this now like what that you know in theory it's great yeah it's great but I don't want to deal with the mild inconvenience now or some annoying yeah some annoying jerk at work or whatever it is like a mystery the mystery of knowing how to link your suffering to Christ's suffering and I'm still trying to figure that out you know maybe sometimes I've done it here and there for a second or something but I'm really trying to figure that one out too that's the goal that's the precious goal that's the alcohol because I know I know it's possible to suffer with a smile on your face I know it's possible I just haven't got there yet that's but it's possible by God's grace it's possible and um and I think we it's there for us you know we just you know I don't know I should pray for it unless I saw a documentary about uh gutter oil do you know what gutter oil is nope I don't know if this is true or false but I saw a video it was a woman in the streets of China a poor woman with a big um like bucket on a stick and she was reaching lifted up the uh the great on the street and she reached down into the sewer gutter with this bucket and she was scraping out all this sludge and uh she was loading up into a barrel and brought it back to wherever she processes it and she extracts the oil from this sludge from the streets she sells it to restaurants and hotels to fry their food in so wow it's called gutter oil it's like very toxic and carcinogens but it's oil and oils high in demand and you can process it you can make it sell it and it's a way to make money okay so if you think about if you think about this it's like disgusting sludge from the streets that is considered waste it's useless it's garbage okay people don't even want to look at it they don't want to smell it certainly they certainly don't want their french fries boiled in this stuff right but for this woman who's poorer she's like hey there's value here I can make money I could feed my family whatever I could stay alive so the reason I'm talking about this is because if we if you and I were able to transform waste and stuff that Society hates like garbage uh dog crap or whatever like how much dog crap do I see in the streets of Montreal in the summer right bags little you know fluorescent green bags full of dog crap like imagine if that if we had the secret recipe the Alchemy to turn dog crap into gold and we suddenly be the richest people on the planet because like people are literally throwing this crap away and we just we have the Alchemy we can transform this into into gold and we could become very very wealthy right so this is the spiritual analogy to uh suffering if we can learn to transform suffering into the sufferings of Christ and then we have that wealth of being the son of the king of the universe the son of the King of Kings and the brother of Jesus Christ the son of God that's that's that's like the Midas touch like the the crap the suffering the inconveniences the road rage all that sort of stuff suddenly becomes transformable by this Alchemy into this immense unimaginable wealth that doesn't last a day or a week or a month or a year or a century or it lasts forever right like we're gonna have all eternity to enjoy being rich like it's a crass way to put it but that's you know the same even the Saints talk about this analogy of the wealth of of being a child of God so uh I mean we should be putting all of our efforts into that Alchemy into that transformation how can we learn how to suffer with Christ how can we learn how to suffer with Christ yeah because that's the ticket that's the ticket and the people in hell are going to be kicking themselves thinking why didn't I look into it why didn't I find out how to become one with Christ and to enjoy eternity with God because that's where the pleasure is that's where the enjoyment is that's where everything good is life and relationship and love and health and beauty and everything that I wanted while I was you know running my shitty business here on Earth everything that I wanted and dreamed of is in heaven it's inaccessible to me now because I'm in hell so like we should we should take this opportunity the short life to prioritize getting to heaven and and extracting that wealth that we're being offered because uh like you said I I believe we can do it and God wants us to do it and he'll help us if we ask him and uh well let's start like let's start baby steps let's start trying and I know you've been trying I've been trying but uh it's not easy right I know I know it's funny because uh Mother Teresa of course mentioned that a lot and you get these atheists they'll grab that clip and call it such an evil person for it because she prays suffering you know right or she seen it correctly the way we couldn't we the way we don't yet and they don't get that of course they don't understand it you know yeah it sounds it sounds cruel you know yeah but if you realize you're gonna suffer one way or another yep in one way or another it's like um and he him saying that is suffering in one way as well and it's just like it's it's it's available to us I just yeah I want to learn how of course well just think I'm just think of just think of the abundance of opportunities to suffer just think of the abundance it's like everywhere it's everywhere but I also don't agree because I um about on this hand now um I was watching some random stuff and there's these guys and wherever and in different countries somewhere and they they get themselves crucified literally in the Philippines okay yes the Phil yep they do that I don't agree with that okay I don't no no no no no no no we don't agree with that at all no no no no I'm not talking about I'm not talking about seeking out suffering yeah suffering saying I'm not talking about that that's forbidden by the church what I'm talking about what I'm talking about is that it's gonna come your way yeah they're going to be so many uh things coming your way where if you're gonna do the right thing it's Gonna Hurt it's gonna cost you something that's what I'm talking about that's what I'm talking about exactly so those are the opportunities I'm not saying hey I've got this heavy object I could bludgeon myself with this heavy object did I show you my new did I show you my new crucifix it's awesome I've seen it on your last uh video you showed it that's awesome where'd you get it from you said uh like a charity shop secondhand shop I think yeah no I think a lot of these places they go around to recently deceased family estates and they buy or it's maybe it's donated but whatever but there's less and less religious stuff in these charity shops I've noticed less and less there used to be more yeah there used to be more stuff yeah because people they're not as many Christians now right right did you see I think I sent you through email my cross that when I was a teenager like 18 19 I seen it at a uh a shop a charity shop or whatever for like ten dollars yeah it was all black it's like this is big it's like about 16 inches tall did you polish and it had me stone I what it did it was painted all black I repainted it white and then I detail painted Christ and the blood and everything and I redid it it was it was pretty cool you know yeah yep and this was before I even I always knew God was real right but this was before I reverted and all of that before God gave me the grace to come back to him and stuff but I just randomly did it I don't know why but yeah but it's pretty cool where's it hanging now in in the living room at home okay you know it's been for a while yeah that's pretty cool your wife likes it yeah so that was fun uh-huh yeah yeah that was fun to do though just the resellvaging it too it feel like you brought it back to life kind of you know yeah it's pretty cool yeah well I give I give a little kiss to my crucifix here I was trying to think where should I kiss it and I decide I guess the feet is the best place to kiss the crucifix yeah what would you do if you wanted to kiss the crucifix it it's so funny I'll either do the um it's random whatever I'm feeling at the time I don't have a specific one here's why though I don't kiss it too much I still have the little I battle with I do not want to fall into any form of error idolatry yes so so I don't fully you know release on in on images and statues I don't um and I don't know I don't know if I should I don't know if I'm missing something I do do it okay but I I'm just very cautious with it I do it one out of five times maybe one out of ten times that I see it you know and I so so um yeah so I'm just I always wanted a I'm the same way I'm the same way but I I've just got such a clear understanding of my own desire to not fall into idolatry and idolatry is such a stupid silly idea to me like it's just not appealing at all so I know you understand that everything every sacramental every crucifix every every time I use holy water anything I do if I if I make the sign of the cross whatever it is I do I categorize all of these sacramentals as prayer it's just prayer with gestures it's just prayer with gestures and there's no confusion in my mind whatsoever like I could take this image of Saint John Paul II I give it a kiss it's not full of emotion it's just a gesture it's a prayer yeah it's just a prayer what does it mean I know exactly what it means it means you're a saint you I love you because you Saint John Paul II you loved God how did you love God you love God by the grace of God so all the glory goes to God I'm kissing the image of saint of a saint and it's just a prayer saying I love you because you by the grace of God you love God yeah yeah yeah it's the same thing with uh Jesus Christ the God man Jesus Christ it's like I kiss it it's not full of emotion it's just a gesture it's a prayer it says you are the God man you didn't have to take on flesh but you did you took on flesh by the will of God you took on flesh and you died for my sins and I love you because because you're perfect because you're God Almighty and because you died for me and please help me and it's just a prayer and the gesture is uh is a token it's a token of love it's not completely Hollow or vacuous or devoid of feeling but it's not overflowing with uh some misplaced feelings or something like that or a magical incantation or like if I kiss it three times and do a sign of cross and dose myself in order and then jump on one foot or whatever it's not it's not like a ritual like that it's a spontaneous it's a spontaneous thing that acknowledges that I am a human with a physical nature I have a body I can my gestures matter if I do the if I pray when I pray in church I always make the prayer hands I don't have to do that I just choose like I'm a physical body I'm going to use my physicality and the church uh recommends it actually the church recommends that we recognize that we're physical beings and that we have uh you know holy postures reverent postures and less reverent process I could walk into a church and just be like like that right I could do that I'm not going to do that I'm not going to do that why why why am I not going to do that well it sends the wrong signal to people around and it would in seem to indicate some level of disrespect or whatever now does that mean that does that mean that I think there's some power in flipping the bird in the church there could be like there could be some demonic power but it's only the power that God gives to the demons and that God gives to me as a Satanist to walk into the church and to do my demonic gestures right yeah but it's like we need to understand like the power of the power of a good gesture the power of bad gesture It's All Coming Back to the glory of God either way so I mean if you're clear it's basically it comes down to like which which team are you on right yeah like why do you do the sign of the cross like a Protestant could ask me why do you do this on the cross because I love God and because God exactly in his Mercy he's given me a church which you know in the economy of Salvation this is uh yeah you know it's just like it's just the way it is no you know you know which other one because that it's minor like I said it's just there that I want to be cautious and whatever right it's mild though it's small because I do do it okay I'll pray in front of the statue and I'll also kiss the statue at times and touch it whatever so but it's just caution you know what other one that I have a line that is is like caution and I just I want it to look different is when I pray to God almighty and then I pray to Mary I almost I don't even want it to look the same okay I feel like there should be a way or I want to find a way or what's the right way that my prayer to God Almighty is so unique and different from all the rest you know okay and I feel guilty almost if it looks exactly the same where I pray I'm on my knees and I pray God Almighty I love you and our father who are in heaven and whatever and then like instantly just switch to him Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you now my understanding is I know it's all through him with him and in him Jesus Christ okay so that helps me all right but I I just I want it to be different I want it to look different I want it to be you know what I mean almost like that there's a distinction for a reason between latria dulia and hyperdulia right okay and you know this right yeah the the the distinction and Mary's the only one that has hyperdulia right yeah and then yep so it's like there's a distinction in the words uh I also want to make find that distinction in my physical as well you know what I mean that's kind of yeah yeah I'm a bit distracted because our friend uh Aiden listen he's in the chat is going to join us actually here on the video call uh yeah what what I would say what I would say in response to your your caution and your jealousy for God is uh I'm I'm happy to hear it I hope you respect any any uh movement of your spirit like that you want to be safeguarding the rights of God okay so you have to respect that and that's good that's a good thing uh if you want to get more comfortable uh you know you can just take steps in terms of communicating uh you're understanding your unique understanding of the hierarchy of God and the angels and Saints and all that sort of thing educating yourself so you're comfortable with it and then understanding how the church teaches about the whole hierarchy and how uh you know those differences between latria and duly and hyperdulia just making sure that you're on a solid footing because I I personally I'm at I'm at a different place where I came into the church very jealous for God the Father I didn't believe in the Incarnation didn't believe in the trinity um so I with a lot of caution I approached uh Jesus Christ a lot of caution but oh here's our friend okay hello hello hello what up what is that you're ruining you always perfect timing to ruin everything man it's been so long it's been a minute I keep seeing stuff I keep seeing you posting stuff and I'm like very scandalous title and I'm like oh very Catholic content like the Jewish problem and like big letters at all that was very measured and well uh weighed out so hey hey uh Aiden and uh Kieran or no not Kieran sorry uh Cola my my stupid Google me is gonna force me to make a new link so I'm gonna make a new meeting and send it to both of you and we're gonna hop right back on the call okay okay sounds good bye foreign what's this guy's name Cola hello hello so we're just waiting for but the boys to hop back on the call here do hope they got it hey hey are you there hey hey hello everybody's there you bet we're we're here and we're not queer so I can't hear Nicola I can't hear Mr uh Cola turn your microphone on can't hear you just say something say something can't hear you no can't hear you hang up and rejoin Nicola so uh we'll settle the technical issue another technical problem I have is I can't figure out how to get you on top of him on the screen I wonder if I could is there a way to shape my screen better how can I hide myself hide me can I do a top and bottom thing does that work oh there we go that's better I'm so glad you uh you joined me uh me too man what the hell I know I thought you hated me not at all I ignoring me I've moved like 16 times in the past year oh my God painful more or less but uh yeah dude um which state are you in I'm in Pennsylvania right now okay and which other states have you been in Florida in Florida then I was in South Carolina and then and then then uh Pennsylvania which city are you near right can you hear me okay where are you where are you living um Detroit area Detroit Michigan okay okay I'm I'm egotistical I think everybody lives near me so hold on you're near your brother now yeah I was just with Karen actually oh yeah cool yeah yeah yeah there's Kieran right there hey Karen how's it going huge that's a girl that's a female cat right yeah that's Cali all right sorry just to let you know guys I got about 10 minutes left that I have to go but anyways let's so we'll enjoy it what were we talking about okay we were talking about this yeah yeah look there's a there's a distinction with prayer that it's Julia um you have latria to God alone and then dulia and Mary gets hyperdulia right yeah okay uh so there's obviously a distinction there in the meaning and in words so I I feel a little guilty that I want my actions to look uh water keep talking that's that's kind of all all so I'm trying to find for example last week um I went into church to pray and after confession and what I did was I literally I went down and kneel down like how a Muslim does basically with my head to the floor yeah praying to God Almighty and then I got up on my knees and then I did my prayer to Mary and whatnot so I I you know I don't know if this is just in my head or am I on you know on my own to something there that's important and or or what you know what I mean David did you hear did you hear what I said or no no no I was grabbing water but uh the basic oh it's okay I all I said was this I I want it to be a physical distinction so what I did last week was after confession I went into the church and I literally got down on on my knees and my forehead like a Muslim how a Muslim prays okay just to pray to God Almighty yeah and then after my prayer to God Almighty I stood up on my knees and then I prayed to Mary okay so so am I am I overreacting am I is there you know is there something there not what I I'm not sure but I'm trying to find it and I just you know no you're not I feel like it's important but no my uncle and I were having a discussion about this months ago just about talking about when we talk about uh the communion of the Saints and so it's like it's very I think it's important to say rather than saying oh yeah you can pray to the Saints rather how about we solicit the prayers of the Saints so there's like a type of communion that there is a unitive aspect to um our Brothers and Sisters in Christ and that you can join in with them in like a deeper level than what we could ever imagine but through Jesus's you know the head and um and so there is this communion that that does take place but I do think it is important for us to say especially um you know around Protestants or people that might be scandalized to say like oh yeah I ask for Mary's prayers I don't pray to Mary but again it depends on how you're using the word pray because like older English says pray means to ask for but nobody means that now when we say pray we mean worship if we're praying to that's equivalent in our language in our English language to say I give worship too and so yeah yeah dude um I think that if the angels in the Bible were like stop down down in front of me then like to take a similar approach with Mary and say like I'm not going to bow like get down like I would in a reverend way before God just because but but didn't the angel does it say did the angel it don't say if he bowed to marry or not or or did he no it don't say no why do I picture Angel why do I pick your angel on one knee in front of Mary though for some reason but anyways um it probably wasn't the worship it was just again reverence I don't know yeah I think John uh 8 27 says Thou must not bow down to marrying statues I think I read that correctly what do you what do you think David that was the King James version that's right no no but then we do have a church for a reason I just wanted to know since it's you know specified in words and there's the meaning there I just wonder if there's any actions that you know or is it just completely safe it's completely safe 100 completely safe if you understand like the the image that I have which is given to me by the church which is that Christ is ahead and Mary is the neck all of The Graces come from Christ through the neck through the neck which is married to the body which is we're in the body so to me I'm always putting God the Father first that's me I put God the Father first and I Think Jesus Christ did the same thing he pointed us to the father and Saint Philip asked to uh for Jesus to show them the Father and Jesus said well if you see me seeing the father so I think Mary can say the same thing if you see me you see my son and so I think uh Pope Saint John Paul II as an example or Saint John Mary the Vianney as another example they would say or Saint Paul would say imitate me as I imitate Christ and it's always it's always this uh relay race like this chain thing that we're all linked together as parts of this one body and Christ is ahead marries the neck and like I'm the butthole or whatever I hope to have that privilege it should be it should be it should be said though Nicola if it helps you yeah yeah like in your frame like your framework like you're scaffolding for everything yeah you know I but I think it's when we start like putting it on other people and saying like you need you XYZ you know yeah yeah I just I'm more mindful of it because half my family is Protestant and then the other half is yeah whatever you know you know what I mean so then they're like yeah you know statuary is complete completely foreign to everybody and so even just having a statue itself you know um yeah freaks them out or images of Jesus even yeah because it's funny um I'm actually a little jealous of the Muslims that two reasons is they do the well the like I just said I did last week right with my head to the floor they do that and they also dress that you know they're Muslim yeah you know yeah so I'm like literally jealous of that I'm like I wish people when I was walking around they knew I was Catholic without a shadow of a doubt right away you know big that big too yeah so so kind of like that you know but I agree 100 I agree 100 I wish our women dressed modestly like the Muslim women most Muslim women that I see in Montreal and north where I work they're the Shia sect and they're in their full modest dress which which I find very uh it enhances the beauty of the woman you know yeah yeah and it glorifies God like I always think about God when I see the Muslim women yeah yeah when I see a western woman when I see a like some sexy woman in Catholic Church like exposing her skin I don't think about God I know that's right yep not a good thing man he was not down and if he showed any of your arm oh man women only or men too I think dudes I think he was pretty yeah no skin don't show your skin don't roll up your sleeves man don't well I I like watching snooker it's a British table game like pool but uh just today I was disappointed because usually they wear like a suit and today they were wearing like t-shirts and I was like oh this guy's arms are hairy it's distracting it's like my arms are hairy yeah it's distracting you know like put you put your suit back on like I'm not I'd never wear a suit but I was kind of distracted that these guys weren't David you're busy you're a proof of evolution man you're a missing link I like that a lot enamored by um Franciscan spirituality lately um nice uh how do you uh how do you think I can make my prayer life I'm pretty much just exclusively like picking up my rosary these days I'm not really like like rocking you know the boat I failed at my mental prayer practice because all I can do is I'm like I just want to hold my Beats you know that's like what I wanna like I'm drawn to which is good because you know that's like okay Riff on it baby yeah um but uh any advice uh or any thoughts on how to um make my prayer life a little more Franciscan well I don't have any specific advice um did you were you listening to uh this whole episode I was doing with no I literally just got on YouTube okay my new red Rosary with the with the with the holy spirit with the Holy Spirit on there and uh yeah I like it it's red and wooden yeah it reminds me of blood yep White Knuckle your way through [Laughter] if you had been listening to our our talk you would know that um Nicola and I are going through similar sort of dark phase with in terms of prayer life where um the set prayers aren't really we're not really getting into it quite as much and we're going more to the Protestant thing which is just like bringing Jesus with you everywhere you go being aware of him and just it's great yeah that's completely it's a Catholic thing and the Protestants have that right I think so for sure so but they wouldn't call it that they don't know what I don't think they have a name for it I don't think they understand I think a lot of them have read brother Lawrence but I think a lot of them wouldn't understand um that concept so like if they like I think a lot of them if they like understood Catholic spirituality they're a little bit better they'd be like what is this yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh in terms of you know like I mean uh the set prayer my set my struggle with the set prayers has always been the same which is I have to get through this as fast as possible you know that's been my neuroses and my psychosis the whole time like for the past 13 years with prayer right and they're uh my only the only prayers I benefit from like and that I'm sort of recollected in are the short spontaneous prayers I've always talked about this on my podcast I love you thank you like and and Nicola was saying the exact same thing it's just like during the day like appreciation and just like a spontaneous acknowledgment like yeah you're God and wow that's amazing whatever yeah like those are the best prayers those are the best prayers those are the ones I connect with and you know they're quick and easy and spontaneous and it's just but it's part it's again it's part of this battle like I'm in love with myself and the my freedom to do what I want to do and so it's like I don't want to do these set prayers because I could be doing other stuff I could be doing other stuff so what I'm trying what I'm trying to do now like I'm I'm not a good example of a Christian but I'm using my troubled state to my advantage in a certain sense when I do my set prayers it's like okay yes I'm not really paying attention and I'm not doing it well I'm just running through it fast but the Silver Lining is I'm torturing hopefully I'm torturing any lingering demons that are still in me since my last confession like just let's let's zap them with the microwave of these set prayers like I'm not enjoying doing these prayers I'm not really paying attention but let's focus on the fact that they're really not enjoying it do you think that that's what dryness is is like a purgation of those those hopefully hopefully yeah I hope so I I mean I want to I want to I want to get to the place where I'm attentive during prayer and I'm connecting with what I'm saying or what I'm visualizing if it's the rosary or whatever like I want it to be deeper and more meaningful but it's not and it hasn't been except like I said for those spontaneous prayers where sometimes I can get like consolation I can get like a real high or whatever but I'm not also I'm also wary of like chasing after the feelings or the Elation or or the Joy or the consolations right so that's another aspect of it but there's a healthy balance I think where like you mentioned Padre Pio like he was just like in touch all the time in his prayer life and his like it was all prayer life right it was just like there was is no break in between the prayer life right right yeah yeah his whole his whole life was cultivated prayer no and I feel this pull to keep coming back to just like 20 minutes of just like pure mental prayer every day whether that's from a book or from like a simple thought or whatever and I have a hard time doing that because it's like basically and by mental prayer I just mean like interior prayer like um uh just a structured simple like the Jesus prayer would be mental prayer for you what was that the Jesus prayer is that a mental prayer for you yeah it can be but no it's not it's not my personal go-to in this case it would be more so not being um glued to a specific devotion or concept because I need to be like freed from that desire to like turn something into a formula so I know God's saying like hey stop like you're the rosaries excellent and you need that in your life and I know that I'm being called to pray more of that and I know that I'm called to specifically praise uh for my wife every day so it's like you need to devote a certain amount of your prayer to your wife and your marriage because that's the vehicle for Grace and so I know that the rosary is like the main player in that but I also know it's like hey you should also probably be picking up your Bible on a daily basis and um you should also be practicing a little bit of just regular mental prayer where you just come to Jesus at the end of the night and like chat with him about something you read or um whether that's just you know going through my day and like being like intentionally repentant for all of my sins because it's literally like I wake up and I try to be sinful it's literally just like I wake up and I'm just like you know what can I shove into my fat face and then like like what's the easiest connection I can make with other people and the easiest connection I can make with other people is always to make them laugh yeah and the easiest way to make somebody laugh is to be inappropriate and so like in nursing you're either laughing at something that's inappropriate like that's inappropriate or horrific or you're drinking or boozing you know what I mean you're like you know what I mean like the the self-medicated yeah so yeah you got the best route with humor I guess because drinking doesn't really turn out nicely at the end of a long time a long career of alcoholism versus a long career of inappropriate jokes I think you're better off with the jokes but you know what though I know that I'm called to be better than that yeah and I had a priest tell me in confession the other week because like so and it wasn't it wasn't like uh mean I hope but he was like so when are you gonna man up and I was like I was like oh I'm like I don't know bro and you're like uh when's that other priest gonna be in the confession yeah like wow I shouldn't have gone to St John's this week should have gone to Saint Benedicts um you know but uh took it took it on the channel and I've been thinking about it I'm like yeah what am I gonna man up and um I love when the priest bashes me by the way I I don't know why I love it I used to take pride to it and stuff and be like you know I love it when they give it to me I'm just like good I deserve that you know so you're better than me so Nick Nicola Nicola what's your advice to Aiden because I know you have to leave soon what's your advice to Aiden about this uh struggle that he has with changing his ways because I'm in the same rut I'm in the same rut with different you know um and all you got to do is become a saint that's it like that buddy that's all I mean what are you waiting for I know I know there is really it's like I've been turning away from Jesus I have this icon of Jesus that sits on my desk right it was my grandmother's and um all I see is Judgment in his face these days and I know the Lord's like yeah sit with it like sit with it until you pass through that judgment or whatever it is it's like if that's your punishment take it in and it's like he's not judging you dude you're you're casting the judgment on yourself with through your actions and it's like just sit there and take it now so you don't have to take it when you're dead yeah and uh I still don't wanna you know I still don't want to sit here and look at that image because I'm just like Ugh you know I just want rest I want it to be easy I want to just like flop onto the ground and let the Lord Carry Me and the cross yeah yeah and I want him to feed me bon bons you know yeah yeah I'm right there with you man 100 percent yeah I might crawl onto your back and then we can both write exactly he can pick all of us up and that's the thing he did he didn't do that so it's like you know it's like okay you just have to um you just have to keep turning to him habitually turning to Jesus every time we fail and saying I'm sorry please help me I'm sorry please help me I'm sorry please help me and not being oops yeah exactly exactly but the cool thing is when when we're the cool awesome most awesome thing I think is when we're forgiven we're truly forgiven of what we did it's gone and that's just amazing that's amazing like when I hear those words I absolve you of your sin I'm just like wow yeah as soon as every time I'm like wow my soul is lifted it's it is completely different yeah I still get this shock like wild I just can't believe that that you know like he's that good and that he could even do that and will never rub it in my face and just it's amazing why why is there not a lineup outside of every confessional every day yeah much less every Sunday or whatever but it's like the people because I'm not that bad yeah well that's scary I mean I knew and I I loved oh sorry I was I love the fact how we have both too because the Protestants will say like don't confess to a priest right right confess to God it's like well I have both actually and I confess to God all the time and it's like and that is important I think a lot of Catholics will maybe forget yeah they'll only wait for confession you know but it's awesome to be able to confess to him right away knowing he heard you well that well and that's powerful he confesses wins to one another yeah in the Bible so like even then like the Protestants have a hard time standing on scripture for like denouncing the act of uh of confession because is that a Wawa coffee you're drinking right now by the way Tim Hortons coffee okay I was thinking like I'm like we're getting down with some Wawa right now anyway I never heard of it there's such a basis for for all the sacraments I mean I know it's not explicitly spelled out but it's like okay so if Protestants really heed scripture then they're gonna have to at least confess their sins to one another and I want to know what that looks like tangible it's written down in the Bible you better take those words seriously yeah you know what's funny what you said when I I wish I knew how to make videos okay to post them on YouTube I wish I knew because here's one video I would do I would do that all these Bible verses that we have that will put it points you and you get the image of what's going on in the Catholic Church okay like for example when Jesus says this is my body and this is my blood we have that image where the priest goes like this right and then you look at the proudest and it's like maybe they're passing juice around maybe not okay but that's only one example right and then confess your sins to one another get the Catholic or get the Protestant Image First maybe you could show two guys saying hey I'm sorry but then show the Catholic version with the priest right there and the and the Catholic on his knees saying um forgive me and you know it's like we all the images man the powerful of what the church has for us you know it's like we there's so many of those Jesus Christ the worst co-worker in the world and it's just Jesus and his work is always completed in whatever his role is it's like he's just sitting there eating a sandwich in his garbage truck and they're like Jesus what are you doing he's like I'm done Jesus sitting at the nurses station Jesus don't you have to go past meds they're all healed that's funny even even the other one is um you are Peter and on this rock I build my church show the Protestant Church they're like they're just looking around then show the Catholic it shows uh say Pope Francis you know it's just like we have the image to fulfill these Bible verses it's so cool you know you know what so I just heard something the other day Trent Horton was talking about the on this rock I'll build my church first right and he renames Peter at that moment and in the Bible every time somebody's renamed they're given a purpose so people that try to argue against The Rock of the church being Peter um like that moment there it's like well the renaming this moment if Jesus is referring to himself as The Rock the whole thing doesn't make sense it doesn't it don't it doesn't shape up so and thank God most even Protestant theologians they do recognize that and they'll just say it is on Peter but it's on his faith only and it's like well we have both this on him his faith and what does that mean I don't get that so okay so if it's on his faith okay so I know I don't know what just ignore I'm not sure I'm not sure yeah still but you can't let's pray to Mary you know yeah and she helps me a lot I know all the time have you had um an experience with Mary like a specific one no not Mary um now Mary unless that was her heart in my dream that day and not Christ let's say but I just had an amazing dream I think I told you guys I did boy the huge human heart was just there above me floating uh and so unless that was Mary's heart but uh it seemed like if I had to pick maybe Christ's heart or I don't know but nobody would come completely deceived yeah that's true could be yep you know when the the so-called pro-choice pro-abortion people talk about the uh my body my choice and all this and I asked one of my pro-abortion friends if if it's normal for a woman to have two heads and eight limbs and all this sort of thing and he said yeah when she's pregnant it is yeah so uh they want to identify the Flesh of the the child with the Flesh of the mother but in the case of Jesus and Mary it actually is genetically the same because there was no human male seed it was the Holy Spirit so it's the only case other than Adam and Eve I think where we have the same flesh literally the same flesh so I think I do think about uh Jesus's heart and Mary's heart as being the same flesh and the Eucharist being the Flesh of Mary that's what I do think about it that way and it's not I don't think it's Blasphemous because it's not in the spirit of blasphemy and it's just a you know a Pious belief and I think the reality of that's where he got his flesh from right yeah isn't that just the reality yeah the reality yeah it's the reality yeah you're okay with that Aiden yeah well and the other thing is too father Galloway put it like this you know they found fetal cells in mothers like 20 30 years after their children were born still floating around and circulating in their bodies so even if you were to say Mary's flesh was well she had half and then God provided the other half of the deep whatever whatever you want to try to say she still had fetal um cells floating around in circulation in her body so like she contained the Flesh of God um her entire life I would assume I don't know why he's texting me here let's see oh it's a centerpiece she shoveled on she showed on Christmas stuff here oh tis the season to go shopping right actually I've been I've been so I was bringing up the Franciscan stuff because of the Nativity and because of like the centrality of the Incarnation in Franciscan spirituality right yeah other than focusing on the death and Resurrection they focus on the Nativity yeah and like um just some of the coolest um just some of the coolest uh fluid spirituality I mean coming from New Age bullcrap and yoga like I I resonate so much with like um Orthodox theology but Franciscan theology in the Catholic tradition is like this mystical very mystical yeah this really mystical very cool thing absolute prophecy of Christ yep yeah and basically like like um like the Incarnation of Jesus like um I think it was Carol houselander spoke about like the um the inscaping of the of the infancy of Jesus basically being like reflective of the crucifixion the passion and like um I thought that that's like kind of profound because there's this suffering Christ like in the midst of the animals and um you have like all of creation represented there you have you have the the animals you have the poor you have um the Jews you have the Gentiles you have the the Angelic host you have this whole like ecosystem right there in the Nativity and um it's just like mind-blowing when you like sit down and start to parse through it very exciting what does does Pope Francis play any role in your Franciscan love affair here he's I thought he's Dominican he's just is he just okay so he's but he took the name Francis no he hasn't really but you know I try not to think too hard about the pope these days because I um don't wanna know and that's where I'm trying to come from like General like generosity was you know like I just want John Paul II to be alive again and be the pope you know like I just like he's your favorite I yeah I mean he's cool like come on well who's your favorite Nicola your favorite Pope yeah I mean from what I know of Pope so it would just have to be him as well John Paul yeah how about yours David likes Benedict because Benedict Was a Biblical Theologian and he was like he knew how to party like he knew he knew how to like drink the beers and I I always say smoke the ganj I always say my favorite Pope is Pope Francis because he annoys a hell out of the rat traps that's one reason I like that that's one reason the other reason is uh the mystery I like I I don't want to have a pope where it's like I understand all his motivations I know what he's saying I know why he's saying it there's no ambiguity I I don't want a pope where it's like it's just David 2.0 right in Rome I don't want that I don't want to agree with the Pope I don't want to agree with the Pope I don't want to have uh you know I don't want to not be challenged by the pope I'm I'm challenged by this Pope and I believe he's I believe he's a good Christian I believe he's a Catholic and that's challenging given the fact that he seems to believe in evolution and he seems to want to push you know certain medical interventions and stuff so uh but the the you know I want to I want to not lose sight of the complexity of the human being and I want to be able to love someone that I disagree with and I want to be able to see the light in amongst all the junk like the junk Pope Francis brings a lot of junk right it's like a it's a junk pile like every human life here below is and uh he has the potential to be a saint and he may well end up being a saint I don't know uh I'd like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they may end up being a great Saint and uh I like the complexity of that uh like they say in fiction when there's a sort of not a pure hero but a complex here what's the word for that where it's someone's sort of a mix of Good and Evil but you're rooting for them like there's a there's a dynamic no this is a term for that where the the hero is uh anti-hero I think that's my friend I wouldn't say that Pope Francis is an anti-hero I mean I mean you can probably give them more credit than that so no and honestly dude my anger for the radical traditionalist Catholics far outweighs any kind of irritation I have with Pope Francis so like the idea of like Taylor Marshall like squirming like in his chair like I I just I really like I like that so I'm gonna I'm gonna intentionally I'm gonna start wearing Pope Francis shirts and I'm just doing this I wish I I made a sincere prayer the other day I hope uh uh I hope my wife's not listening to this but I was praying that God would Grant her a love of Pope Francis because she really hates Pope Francis with a passion and she does my wife and I was praying also that she would come to love uh Mother Teresa of Calcutta because she really hates Mother Teresa she she's believed all the Auntie Mother Teresa propaganda and there's a lot there's a lot of it we were talking about this earlier yeah yeah there's a lot of anti-uh Mother Teresa stuff which I don't I don't understand I think she's she's one of my favorite uh recent Saints because I do I do get a little bit nervous about recent Saints yeah but I'm comfortable I'm very comfortable with her as a saint and uh Saint brother Andre who's here in Montreal he died in the 20th century but a lot of the recent Saints even Padre Pio I have to be honest I'm a little bit like just a little bit scared to go full on with Padre Pio the Stigmata doesn't help because I'm nervous about the stigmata sure and uh the fact that he may have endorsed Garabandal apparitions and stuff like that which I'm skeptical of just just and the fact that he's so close to me in time like I'm just very I know the church well the church the church I believe the church and I believe he's a saint but there's just sort of like an emotional uh sort of reaction that I have where I'm a little bit scared even with Saint John Paul II I'm a little bit like I'm not fully I have his image here I'm not fully like letting myself go enthusiastic with him but uh that's so maybe there's a little bit of rat Trot in me where I like The Mists of time you know yeah sure you know it's funny you know what I think um I think the birth of red Treads is simply from it's mainly one thing it comes from inside of them they believe that they're more holy than the next person and I I really I think that's all it is really if you boil it down it's their image they think I'm I'm confessed and I'm prayed up and I'm your filthy scum and I'm more holy than you you know and I I want some rewards and notices for my works you know I swear I really believe that's what comes from their heart and and then uh a red tread is born yeah that's what I think probably yeah yeah definitely it does seem to be here and this kind of I'm obsessed with uh the concept of contemplation because it's just so it's just so cool like the idea of um contemplative prayer just really really catches my eye because I'm selfish um and then the more I dive into it um the more I see that there has to be this balance between order and then the ability to let go of order and it seems that radical traditionalists represent the order and then the falling away from order seems to be the Progressive Catholicism and it seems that like you have to stick to order and then allow yourself to fall away from it but you always have to come back to established order so then that way you're always reigning yourself into the middle which is like where the real content is where God is and so it's like like what David David your your concept of like I'm not I'm not traditional I'm not Progressive I'm wherever Jesus is in the center I'm with Jesus and I'm like yeah that's actually like true and you have these like like these borders that seem to like rain everything in and I think that's why the rosary is cool because you get this established order then you have like the content of the meditation and um I think like I don't know I'm prideful when it comes to the rosary because I'm like oh it's been two three but it's like but I think I have a suspicion that there are so many different windows for contemplation in the context of that prayer and so everybody thinks like the the main one to get into is like oh well you're gonna meditate on the mystery and the meditation of the mystery is the real part and the Hail Marys are just vocals there's so much but the more that I pray the prayer the more I'm like actually I don't think that's the case I wouldn't over stress the Hail Marys but I wouldn't over stress the meditative content either because everything eventually peels away and you get to wordlessness and you get to like you get to unknowing you get to the content where you're like I can't even Pro it's just Faith it's whatever faith is you're just like I don't know what this material is but I I know God is right here with me I don't know what he looks like I know that whatever Aiden thinks he's he looks like has to be scrapped I know all of it has to um be thrown to the ground eventually and I have to be willing like to not know but um yeah so you know uh just that rigid radical traditionalist side of things really annoys me because if you just if you just harp on structure day in day out day in day out you train your you just drain yourself so quickly and then if you do the whole radical uh the whole Progressive thing um it just Fizzles out because it it you just get rid of the actual content it like leaks away and you just have you know vapid nothingness so I don't know I don't know it's literally a juggling catch it and throw it and catch it and release Catch and Release catch and release but um I'm reading a book actually by Dan Burke and the uh of the Avila Institute uh Saint Teresa yeah is it the contemplative Rosary yeah I'm reading that now I bought it because I did the rosary with them online I did one so I think I did Joyful Mysteries with them or whatever and then I checked out but that was on the anniversary or on the whatever special date they had the Marion event so what do you so I've read that book and my one complaint about Dan Burke's reading on that is that he basically states that everything has to fit under a Carmelite umbrella and so it's like yeah this is good it's good to pray your Rosary but you need to have pure mental like pure teresian mental prayer for this to really benefit you you need to be able to do this and not put your Rosary before that what do you what do you think David because jpii basically states that it's a school of prayer and not um which to me sounds self-sufficient it sounds like to me like you know why can't that be your um Touchstone your go-to your um Bedrock of um um you know uh meditative contemplative prayer yeah for me it's like a love story and uh all the books on technique like I mean I could buy books about how to save my marriage how to love my wife and all this sort of thing as long as you realize that these tips and tricks and techniques and all that are completely secondary to the organic loving of this human being that's right there beside you right now right then you're on the right track but when you get attached to this school thought that school thought this technique and this Rule and whatever and you treat your wife like uh Pavlov's dog or whatever it's like you're on the wrong track period right so that that organic thing guys I gotta go speaking of it I'm gonna go love my wife so I'll see you guys yeah God bless you guys God bless you my friend we'll talk soon love you guys pray for me love you bye now we can talk trash about Cola just kidding kidding can you raise your camera just a bit so I can see more of your forehead there you go uh so yeah that's my quick and dirty answer to like the constraints of like well it has to be caramelite spirituality and it's funny because I I just got a book on Carmelite spirituality so can you see if I have any other lady in here anyway no and I love it yeah I think it's really good but it's all about building a scaffolding system that you eventually tear down anyway you're like do you know you know what I mean like like it's like first you consider you know you let you reflect on it then you develop affections and from your affections you um can ask for things you can petition and then um you make resolutions from that and it's like yeah that's really good to have that established order um but like so David I bought this book I don't know why I did not have this right so this is into a silent into the silent Land by Martin Laird and it's called the practice of contemplation so this guy is from um Villanova University near me um he's a an augustinian monk he talks a lot about the Jesus prayer but this is actually all in the vein of um uh uh centering prayer having a prayer word using your prayer word to just cultivate contemplation so he argues that like you can't ever you can't make contemplation happen which I believe um you could only like set the stage to receive contemplation from the Lord which makes sense and so the best way to do that is to have a prayer word and to be like to blah blah blah blah blah and compare that to you my boy Thomas Dubay about everything um who states that there is no method and that the only way to truly get close to the Lord in contemplative uh in a contemplative manner is to become holy which I'm like I believe this dude yeah I want to believe that this guy he doesn't directly contradict this however this dude's like hey you need to be holy yeah and um follow the gospel so this is uh teresian um this is Saint Teresa uh St John of the Cross and the gospel on prayer and so like this is some pretty heavy stuff but it's awesome um but yeah it seems to be what you're saying that it's like if you just turn to Jesus and you're like I love you and you make some time to say I love you every single day um that seems to be the best way to you know approach I'm trying to escape from the religiosity of planification where I've got my checklist and all this stuff and I always talk about this because it's true I talk about my checklist because I actually literally literally have a checklist every day of what I'm doing so I want to be liberated from that because that's nothing but a it's like it's like the law like it's like the the Old Testament law like the judaic law it's like all it does is show me what a loser I am that's all it does so in exchange I'd gladly exchange all my checklists and all my pelagianism and semipelagianism for a relationship with Jesus Christ that's right that's the goal right that's the goal to say you know to say no to that's the end that's the end step to say no to selfish pleasure and to say yes to Holiness so I like your second book much better because that's that is the way and you know it's easier probably easier to sell a million books with a million different techniques and here's how you can do it and build your scaffolding and this and that other thing and I'm not disparaging Saint Teresa of Avila or St John of the Cross or any of these people no but even she says she says mental prayers about loving much it's not about thinking okay okay so like okay yeah they would tell you the same thing it's just hilarious because we're humans and we like we're like well these are the things that we typically experience because we want to like because you want to have to know those things because when you pray you start to come up against things and then you think like so like dryness and prayer you and Nicola were talking about dryness in prayer right and so if you're not engaging in certain sinful activities you're partaking in the sacraments you're actually living a good and holy life that would be a considered a passive purification and so if you understand the concept of a passive purification you might not fall to um despair because you understand this is actually a normal piece of my of my walk it's just something that sucks and that I have to keep going through despite uh these circumstances yeah the reason I'm going through a dark emotionally dark three years is because I've said yes to Satan let the demons in I just indulge your pleasure okay so that's like I'm aware of the reality it's not like I'm going through some passive purification it's like I invited the demons in and now I'm suffering okay so that's just the way it is the same thing like with the Aged alcoholic who's like I wish I'd never indulged in alcohol and I thought it was fun and now I'm I've got this albatross around my neck you know so it's like just like Karma cause and effect and it's like you let the demons in and it's not cool it's just not cool so uh yeah so I'm aware of that and like the Holiness thing it's like you know my problem is it's the same thing with my physical health and my spiritual health it's the same thing I will push to the Limit like I will eat junk food until I'm starting to feel sick and then I'm like hey I should pump the brakes on the junk food need some healthy food and rest and this and that the other thing and then I feel better and when I feel better it's like hey I can indulge every lust for food that I have right so I just keep on that balancing Point like you know and then I just pull back just enough to be feel healthy enough to to indulge in my sin always it's always the same thing so it's the same thing with my spiritual life it's like well I said my prayers well you didn't pray well yeah but I said my prayers and like you know I went to I did my Sunday obligation yeah but you didn't go to you know know it didn't go to your way or do anything or whatever but just the constant rationalization like I'm just going to do the bare minimum and when I do the bare minimum hey I get qualified I'm a Catholic I'm in good standing with the church like that like the rat traps damn yeah rubber stamp like hey I'm in good standing right uh not so much you know because God sees the hurt and my heart is just lust for every selfish pleasure like that's just what it is right so I am conquered like asking for joy in those normal activities like saying hey God can you just give me joy in these normal activities yeah I'm constantly asking for I'm constantly asking for that I say you know I want to enjoy this is one of my favorite prayers is I want to enjoy everything everything goodbye and the Ugly whatever I want to enjoy everything it's very important to me that I enjoy everything but I have to enjoy everything in a way that pleases you that's the one caveat right like it's like that's the ticket that's the living the dream is like where I can enjoy everything and I'm pleasing God but in the meantime right in the meantime I'm gonna please myself because that's like that's just handy like hey I'm thirsty I take a drink I'm hungry I tell you whatever so it's like I'm gonna cater to myself while I fantasize about this dream where I can enjoy everything while pleasing God but in between this sinful reality and the fantasy of being a saint are some painful self-denials right like that's the reality and you just can't get from A to B without taking those steps period yeah it seems to be really really prevalent that that's the that's the case like uh I was St John of the Cross basically says like you can't have one threat holding you back if you if mystical contemplation is your end goal of really Experiencing God as he is is your goal um you can't like one little hang up is gonna is Gonna Keep you tied down to the ground and so like you think like okay so for me I'm really um I'm really into sugar like and I know that I'm gonna have to deal with sugar right right you know I mean I'm picking up a nine but nine thing well I know but I'm laughing because I have the same addiction it's so bad though like I literally feel it I wake up and I'm like you know so proud of myself because I'm like I'm not gonna have cream of my coffee today but I gotta eat this sweet thing along with my black coffee so that way I like enjoy this and it's like dude lame however St John lacrosse says um you can't do extra Penance in an area um that's not the sugar you need to go right for the sugar you cannot be attached to any one thing in this world so if you think you can double down on something else and be twice as good in one area to make up for your deficiency wrong no you need to go right for the thing that sucks the most I'm like no [Music] brownie points for being detached from all the things that I've never been attached to right right yeah like me too but me too man this is what like 100 credit for all that like double up on the credit for that and then just like conveniently ignore like that I'm completely addicted and attached to all these worldly things yup yeah that's I would love that but that's not gonna happen I'm like no no not going there bro so we're gonna we're gonna have to man up I've heard that before David I've heard that before and it's funny though because if you do uh man up in one area it actually makes it easier to uh scramble together some self-control in other areas so if you pick an area that's like really difficult to tackle if you say I'm gonna actually I'm gonna pin down my sweets and I'm going to I'm not going to eat sweets anymore um then presumably because you have resolved in that area that does spill out into other areas and make it easier for us to um then take that kind of initiative with other things because um that I mean that's how it was simply when I quit smoking cigarettes years and years ago that was what pushed me to lose weight then once I lost weight I'm like I didn't do anything I learned how to run from running I learned how to do hot yoga and if you've ever done Hot Yoga before David it's not easy really awful they heat the room up to like 115 degrees and then you do this hour and a half long exercise it's literally just rips you to pieces like once you start like building on things that you know but it's like taking that initiative because if you think like oh gee I'm really great I'm doing really good right now then your motivation drops because you're just like well I'm not smoking weed and I'm not cheating on my wife and I'm not drinking alcohol and it's like okay that's good and it's like but you're like for some reason the motivation then like drops down it's like so total complacent if I don't have sugar what else am I going to have and it's like actually that's a really good question and the answer is you have the Lord you know and it's like taste and see that the Lord is sweet or the Lord is good yeah yeah man um yeah we should do it it's the the New Year's resolutions are about to start in four weeks I might I'm looking into the [Music] um what is that awful thing Exodus um Exodus 90 or Exodus um that horrible thing I think it's 90 Exodus 90. uh for 90 days you um uh it's a Catholic program oh yeah I think I may have heard of it yeah eggs 90. yeah you do I and I don't think I would do the prayers associated with it because like I pray enough during the day I pray to a fault actually I like avoid things like the prayer um so I I would actually probably make myself do the things I don't want to do and do a little bit like less of the things I do want to do first with prayer but um but yeah dude you take lukewarm or cold showers um you only eat three Square meals a day I think on Wednesdays and Fridays you do the traditional catholic fast of the small meals um there's no snacking there's no sweets there's no alcohol um I think there's exercise involved I think like instituting some kind of exercise program I don't know if they still keep up with that or not anymore um and then it's supposed to be like a weekly like fraternal thing where you get together with like your brothers and your Parish that are doing it and you like like yeah share and you hold yourselves accountable oh no social media too like no um Twitter yeah so like no Netflix that type of thing oh okay oh that's good no TV and movies yeah what do you do then where do you put your hands like what do you like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so one of my big challenges is being diligent at work it's gonna kick us off the call here unfortunately I have to go see I have to go in my wife's gonna be home in two minutes oh two minutes okay good we'll wrap it up here but yeah I want to get on top of my laziness at work and my gluttony with sugar and salt and whatever's fat and gross I got hurt burn the other day from shoveling food in my face and my wife suffers from heartburn so I gotta take that as a little warning sign not to eat like a pig but wait David before you go yeah have you seen Bigfoot before the real one in the woods I mean in general no the fake one yeah the real one come on have you no I have not seen the real Bigfoot no are you no I but I've been just so interested in Cryptids lately I've just been like I've been listening to this podcast there's this guy um I accidentally found him and it turns out he's from York Pennsylvania it's hilarious but I found him when I was in South Carolina and um he like does a lot of uh a lot of interviews with people and they're like their paranormal experiences he actually interviews this priest quite often his name is Brother Richard he's from Ireland he's this um Franciscan monk and he talks a lot about like the Catholic View and the Irish view of um the other like the world like you know like the the spiritual dude it's awesome I'll uh send me a link I'll send you a link to it but um but then that just begged the question like wait David have you ever seen Bigfoot I'll keep your eyes open I'll keep my eyes open for bigfoot I'll uh I'll shoot yeah do well actually it seems to be the case though if you're looking for him you'll find him um and from what I understand it's not something that um that anybody else wants to to encounter it's pretty scary but oh really okay I'll avoid him yeah no there seems to be this this um there seems to be this uh spiritual reality at play with Bigfoot and it really confuses people because there's this physicality with it and um like there's a lot of Native American lore that comes into play with it and a lot of um shamanistic um elements that like come into play as well and uh um all right do you have Native American um that I did I thought that I did but I did two genetic tests and they both came back negative for Jews or for natives so that was disappointing you were hoping man I wish I was Jewish um you're a spiritual Jew as a Catholic ambulance period yeah nice nice and the other Jews the other Jews are called carnal Jews in the Bible um dirty dirty dirty Colonel Jews and we're the pure spiritual Jews is that how that works that's so bad I'm copying a link here for you and just hearing your my negative energy you're terrible um by the way I think it's did you did you listen to my Kanye rant a bit of it yeah yeah I did um uh and I I enjoyed it because I I'm I don't know everybody wants to take a massive dump on Kanye and I'm like the dude is clearly having a mental breakdown and because he's so famous he's just having it in front of everybody and everybody's like can you believe what he's saying and I'm like yes I can believe that mentally old person is saying really horrible things because he's mentally ill and uh the idea that like you know people are like oh mortified by it is so lame well what he's actually saying is not bad it's just the way he's saying it is uh it's just not well measured and well-timed I don't know enough about the content of what he's saying to to comment on it I just know I got through one part where he was comparing himself to a 15 year old rape victim like dude oh I didn't hear that okay yeah uh basically what I heard was um uh he's like well yeah you know if you have like a 15 year old girl and she's getting repeatedly raped by men and then as an adult she hates men you know that's basically right he's been saying like that's what I'm okay okay I'm like ah probably not the best um illustration yeah yeah yeah yeah but um you know yeah I don't know um it's minimizing uh something pretty traumatic because like yeah yeah I mean I don't think a 15 year old rape victim would talk about it on podcasts with a bunch of different commentators I think it would be a little bit more horrific than what he's talking about but yeah what's the basic what's the gist of what he's saying that the Jews screwed him and they tried to control him and all his Jewish lawyers and business people and all this sort of thing and they're part of some big cabal satanic cabal and whatever and uh you know so like I mean he's misguided for sure but he says he loves the Jews so like he's he's striving to be a Christian so he's he's striving to love his enemies and he's striving to love everybody and so you know he's misguided he's immature in his faith obviously and uh I wish him well and to the extent that he's Christian I mean I admire him but I've never been a fan I don't really get his Vibe and he just seems like a demo it but you know I love him and I hope that he comes out the other end with some Solid Faith and one of his lyrics is uh um Watcher watch your attitude um so I'm so gratitude so like yes I understand the dimwit part of it because uh my one of my best bros like thinks he's a genius and I do like I do like Kanye music it's it's I've never heard it I've never knowingly heard it listen to his last record I think it's called Jesus's king um it's not bad uh it's just whoops that was the end of that