moth there's a moth in my room is that a sign I hope not so we are live I'm here with my friend Nick Nick how are you doing I just I don't know how to answer that question anymore David I don't busy your hair looks good holy cow hey what is going on you got the expensive hairdresser now or what you just learned the trick uh the product oh yeah I've been cutting my own hair for about four years cool you're good at it thanks my my roommate helps me sometimes cool so yeah you look healthy you look like you've been sleeping at night is that the case well I woke up at uh 350. to get on a flight to come here to Nashville just for me just for you so I was part of the deal I said I'll enter yes I will interview you stop hounding me but you have to go to Nashville and you did so I appreciate that yeah hey anything for you man what I forget about that country song you got to write for me though while you're there oh true true yeah well Dierks Bentley hasn't gotten back to me I'm sorry I'm I'm just being silly of course but uh no it's been uh it's been two years since we've spoken no 2021 uh fifth month that's May 2021 and you're like oh I'm working on big things I got a lot going on and then holy cow I looked you up recently it's like what are you serious so tell us a little bit about what's been going on I mean uh are you famous now people stop you in the street what's going on uh no no praise praise be to God I do not have that kind of Fame I I who would I don't know what I would do with that but uh I have the most recent film that I produced was called died suddenly and it's been seen well over 30 million times and I'm here in Nashville I was just speaking at a at an event um about it and the film before that which if I haven't talked to you in a year and a half then I've made three films um I did these little ones which was prior to that and it was about child sex trafficking and Satanic ritual abuse and then prior to that I did watch the water and prior to that I actually may have made a fourth one uh released a fourth one in that time and that was the greatest reset um which was about um how the the Perugia the second coming of Christ is the counter to Klaus Schwab in the world economic forums great reset that they've been trying to implement for quite some time so what about how to kill 14 people or whatever that one was yeah I mean that was my first and I've since taken it off the internet just because it's it's old and dated and uh you know not my best work but okay um yeah that was my very first one because I think you talked to me about that one at one point um so in between that one and the ones you just mentioned are there any in there in between no okay and how many of you collaborated with your current uh colleague uh three okay yeah so I've been working with Matt for about a little over three years it was three years in November okay and uh this was our latest and um smashing success man uh yeah you know really overwhelmed like we just got up on stage and I don't know a couple hundred people all stood up and he was just cheering for like a solid 30 seconds and I almost started crying I've never had that kind of feedback on anything I've done in my entire life it was amazing amazing wow yeah well I'm very proud of you I mean I was very impressed I've watched a lot of uh content uh you know for the past few years like because we've been living in rough times as you know and uh so you know that I kind of got dragged in a little bit into the dark side of the internet with conspiracy theories and all this sorts of thing and uh whether you like it or not um you know if you want to put out a film that contains truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth you're going to be nonetheless your film will be in the context of a whole bunch of right-wing conspiracy theories and left-wing lunacy spinning everything and everything in between and the lies outnumber uh the truth I would say it looks like we're losing the battle but I would encourage you to continue telling the truth and I'm assuming that that's what you and your partner Matt is it have been doing right your uh you're pursuing the truth and trying to communicate the truth even though these are inconvenient truths right yeah and they're also very heavy um especially after these little ones yeah um that would I mean you're you're looking at things on the computer that really nobody should ever have to see and that that sucks India and Matt's Matt's a bit more calloused than I am I'm I'm a I'm a romantic and I'm an empath um and both of those don't lend well to seeing mutilated corpses of children and talking to the victims of uh Satanic ritual abuse and then in this film you know we're we're pulling blood clots out of people and and calculating a death toll that makes any world war look like a little scuffle and uh it gets to you but um luckily I've been I think it's just in my disposition ever since I left nihilism uh and had good reason to leave it behind then I've been able to encounter these things with I would say like a fundamental level of Joy even though I'm not happy all the time yeah there's definitely a very different there's a strong difference between those two like this is not pleasurable well it's the joy of the Saints right not to say that you're a saint but not yet not yet but uh that is the that is that is the dream that is the dream of the Christian is to be able to enjoy and I pray every day God please make me or allow me to enjoy everything as long as it's not uh as long as I'm not doing anything that's displeasing to you right so if I'm going to walk the Narrow Path uh take up my cross uh it's going to involve suffering but please God let me enjoy that let me have the joy that the Saints all had right yeah absolutely balance that's the balance that we're seeking as Christians so are you a Christian are you like coming out of the closet as a Christian now are you not ready for that um well I guess it's fitting that it's it'll be on your podcast and that's why I asked if we were going live because uh a H I'm going to I'm going to choose my words very carefully um because there's things that I'm not ready to be public with first of all and second of all I also really don't like the sort of protestant uh ethic or ethos of wearing your faith on your sleeve I think that's kind of performative and disingenuous and while it can be genuine for um for a lot of people um maybe I'm just not mature enough for that yet but I will say that I will be on Sunday making my first confession in seven years wow um and uh that's the result of I mean you've been you've been abreast to at least half of the journey I'd say um and uh there I will say that there's been some very intense demonic uh oppression and I'll leave it at that and I and the first step to resolving that is confession period yep there there's no Deliverance prayers there's no exorcisms there's nothing else that supersedes in fashion and I have about seven or eight years of of grave sin to carve out of my soul and lay before God uh and I'm doing that on Sunday so any prayers for a contrite and sincere confession would be appreciated wow are you going to a Byzantine right priest no uh they're I'm not aware of one where I live in Florida um so I'm just going to my local Catholic church I've spoken with the priests there he he performs traditional Latin mass and it's a Diocesan Latin Mass which is very cool as well nice um so I'm going to be going to him for that nice so you know him a little bit you trust him I I know him briefly we've had a few conversations but I wouldn't say I trust him um and I know that a priest is a priest fundamentally at the base level of priest as a priest but there are there are priests who I've definitely opened up to a lot more and and can sort of bear my soul to more and I wouldn't say he's one of them but uh I've been speaking with an exorcist and a couple of them and um he basically explained like look it's like you're you're bleeding on the battlefield that you don't get to pick who your surgeon is like the guy who shows up as the guy you go to patch your wounds and then we'll figure it out from there yep exactly and it's it's an extra little hunk of humility thrown in like oh do I have to go to this guy I mean he's probably he's probably a good priest I'm sure he's a good priest but he's not the one it wasn't your first pick maybe but that's part of the God's plan you know for uh humiliating you humbling you and all that good stuff the good thing about a general confession and this is would be considered a general confession because it's like a good chunk of time is uh it's actually easier I'm not I'm not trying to like make you feel better about your about your sins but it's easier to confess a whole bunch of of big crime a big sins right than it is to go like I go once every week or two and it's it's actually more embarrassing to go in and just it's sort of like a laser focus on like what would you do this week and it's like yeah or if you're saying the same thing that you said last week and you're like Well why'd you do it again so yeah you get you get to go in you're a big fish like the priest will be very very happy like oh he'll be he'll be very you'll be walking on air he'll be walking on air his uh his friends and colleagues are gonna ask him hey why you have a spring in your step and a glint in your eye oh cause I had a big fish I got a big fish in the confessional so can you explain the difference to me between a general confession and whatever other kinds there are well the general confession ideally uh technically should be um from the Age of Reason on so from when you were able to think when you were able to basically sin uh from that point on you confess everything I I would recommend doing that I would recommend doing that to sort of flush out where do the root causes of your uh your more recent sins come from so you could talk about any childhood trauma stuff like that and doing the film about the uh Satanic ritual abuse might have opened your eyes a little bit to how Satan Works in all of our Lives no one is immune from his touch and his sweet little seductive lies and we buy into a couple of broad categories there's uh you know pleasure it's all related to pleasure like sexual pleasure food drugs whatever uh Power money whatever it might be in your particular case or maybe a combination of several of those whatever um and uh so it's not it's not like Satan has a lot of tricks up his sleeve it's just some good thing that God wants us to use in proper in its proper place and in its proper measure and Satan just says no no go on you deserve to have a little bit more and you can have more and there's no harm that's going to come and no one's going to know and it's not a big deal and then before you know it you're taking bigger and bigger bites out of that Apple so by saying General confession are you saying there's a different kind like a specific confession or something no no it's just the approach that you have like when I go like I went Sunday and the and then I went the week before so that's just like I'm focused on that period of one or two weeks whatever it was I focus on that period but I could go uh this weekend and I could say instead of doing a one week chunk I'm gonna Focus expand my focus to everything since my childhood it's just that different approach like what are you gonna do this week are you going to just do the what focus on the one week are you gonna oh wow the whole thing and it just it's good to go back and to look at everything once in a while like once in a while once every couple of years five years ten years whatever you do that right right that makes sense and and yeah I used to struggle heavily with scrupulosity and obsessive-compulsive disorder and some I'm hoping for Grace to uh to not fall into that to have a have a contrite and sincere heart but not uh a neurotic yeah type approach to this um yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure well I'm very excited and very proud of you and I'll be praying for you for sure I got I don't know if I showed you this but I got a nice big crucifix at a nice that I keep on my desk here and so yeah I mean uh the thing about uh Christianity is you have to be like a little child so that means you can't over complicate it you can't overthink it you can't be screwed you cannot be scrupulous you have to be just pure innocent and just say hey Daddy I love you and guess what without your grace this is what I do I make a mess I I you know I messed things up and it's just very very very very very very very simple I love you and if you don't help me Daddy I'm gonna mess things up just look at look look what I did this past eight years it's that simple it's that simple there's no guilt there's no shame it's just hey Daddy I love you and I know that you want to help me and so uh uh you know that's it you know so that's the that's the antidote to scrupulosity because scrupulosity is pride it's like oh I'm not I don't want to uh be impure I don't want to be less than my neighbor and uh you know it's a form of Pride scrupulosity and and interesting an innocent child just comes to the father with open arms a very simple and it's like look at me and it's like what I would recommend is think about like a cute little child in the kitchen with Mommy okay so it's a daughter with her mommy in the kitchen and uh Mommy wants the little girl to help make a cake and when the little girl breaks the eggs that shell goes into the bowl and mother has to pick out the shell and then when she stirs the powder goes everywhere and Mommy has to clean up the powder but it's cute this is how the little girl learns how to be a good wife and a good mother and that's how you should think of yourself obviously I don't want you to think of yourself as a woman but relative to God you are a female you're receptive and you are passive and uh God is that's why we refer to God as he because he's pure act there's no potential in God he's pure activity and so in the church is the bride of Christ yeah relative to God we are feminine and the word for soul is anima and that's a feminine it's a feminine oh is it really yeah on purpose like it's uh there's a reason for that oh wow yeah so it's a passive thing we are receptive and it's it's you know I often fantasize not in a very deep way but I often do fantasize about power women have as being women you know that there's a power in being that receptive one right being the one who selects instead of instead of the one that's just knocking on every door not that I'm actively seeking a wife I already have a wife that I'm happy with but um just in the general sociological overview of how Society works there's a big engine where men are horny they want a Woman They want a beautiful woman they want a young woman they want a thin woman whatever it is usually and uh they're just going trying trying trying trying trying next next next next and the woman has this passive role where she can sit back and select and I've always been a little bit jealous of that but in Christianity I'm able to assume that role of the the woman right where I'm like God is the man I'm the woman all I need to do is submit and uh you know God is the perfect man and he's the most beautiful man and so I'll gladly submit to him you know we don't want to overdo it with this analogy like overly sexualize God but um we've talked about this before I think you and I have talked about this before yeah the I think the last conversation we have we had we um approached the subject of um God is the source of romance and um since then there have been several uh I I guess brooches of this topic to myself and the most recent of which is the Theology of the Body um which was which like I was taught it in high school but like obviously yeah there he is um oh you learned that in high school yeah yeah I went to a really good Catholic High School and and I had a wonderful Catholic Education which is I think honestly what saved me from um screwing up my life even more than I did and and to be fair like I'm doing freaking fine I'm doing great you know like I'm not a screw-up but yeah but I have I have um fallen into a long period of of grave sin and um one of the things that kept that from being uh life-altering permanently I think was my Catholic Education and Theology of the Body didn't land with me the first time but now it's it's making a lot of sense in the in the concept that that God loves us with Eros and that arrows is is the upward spiral that um directs us toward uh the true the good and the Beautiful and uh there have been like a few frame shifts that I've had over the last couple of years but specifically the last year of um realizing that I was like way more of a Christian than I thought I was like I was kind of I was kind of like psyoping myself into thinking like I wasn't a Christian because like I didn't I didn't have the specifics nailed down I was like hang on a second I worship the logos which is the true the good and the beautiful I love it with all of my heart soul mind and strength that is all I want in my life and that is that every action that I take except for when I'm sinning is is to is to bring that further into my life and I was like wait a second John 1 in the beginning was the logo so I'm like I'm a freaking Christian cool hey so the prodigal project finally comes to an end today or Sunday yeah yeah I guess on Sunday would be the uh the real big return today wow have you been documenting that or is that just a dead project for you no no that ended when I ended the podcast um I think you know I there's no conceivable way I would have had the funds to have somebody follow me around for seven years additionally I you know there was no way I would be able to be sincere in my yeah in my walk um with that kind of what do you see but do you see uh the uh the way God draws straight with crooked lines if you see the way he used every single choice that you made coming on my podcast having your podcast talking to the people that you talk to on your podcast and uh you know the friends you made along the way the jobs that you landed the things you've learned like do you do you see now the Providence the hand of Providence and all that very clearly or is it still a jumble for you no it's been very clear and it's been clear for some time as well to the point where it's kind of like a link in a nod where I kind of knew this was coming for some time even if I didn't like know the specifics you know um and and uh allow me to present all the caveats of of um not false humility about all my Brokenness and my sinfulness but just like I'm this is why I'm slow playing it and why I'm not trying to wear my faith on my sleeve because I have no faith like I I'm so but I have enough Faith to literally just go to confession and say [ __ ] it let's do it you know so like anything beyond that would just be so disingenuous yeah I mean I'm being you're taking the leap you've got the Kirk a guardian Faith yeah I'm taking the leaf the leap there's there is something real in there and part of the there's there's two I guess external validations of what has been happening internally and the first is the Demonic uh experiences that I've had in in and um Satan knows I'm sincere and he is not happy because I am a problem God has blessed me with an immense Talent set and I am going to be a big problem so if there's anything he can do to prevent that he's going to and he has he's pulled out many of the stops so there was that and that experience I was like okay maybe I'm more sincere than I thought I was um and then the the other side of it was was the fact that the films that I've been making have just been so egregiously dark that I'm realizing like I would be an utter fool to keep doing this without submission to God like an absolute [ __ ] to try and undertake this kind of work and just think like I'll just like be smart about it like you know you're not going to be smart I will get [ __ ] killed the stuff that I have done in my career people have been murdered 10 times over for the the child sex trafficking stuff 10 years ago 12 years ago the filmmaker who made the same film that I made was murdered and the two subjects were murdered in that film uh this this film died suddenly in the greatest reset and all these other films I've done um focus on on big Pharma and there are whistleblowers left right and Center who just uh wake up dead so I'm only here because God wants me to be here and it would it would just be the height of hubris to like not submit myself so I've had to get over this like need to answer every question before I submit yep um I I do hope you'll watch Matthew Murdoch's most recent interview he he acknowledges that he and he puts that into words very nicely and actually he's in tears when he does it because he said David I'm just tired of questioning I'm tired of asking I'm tired of the games I'm tired of the back and forth the theological debates he said I'll give up I say uncle I'm going to confession I'm going back to the church and he's just tired he's exhausted you know he tried the pleasure he tried the sin he tried listening to Satan and Satan's a liar Satan's an [ __ ] okay so um you have the grace you have many many Graces and you said you actually said the last time we spoke which was in I think May of 2021 I believe you said if you could only recognize that the choice really certainly is between Christ and Satan you will choose Christ hands down no question about it but the ambiguity is that really the Dilemma is that are those the choices are those are those the options on the table if so the choice is clear that's what you told me in so many words so it seems like you've got Clarity because of covet because of Satan and Chesterton famously said when asked who most influenced his decision to become a Catholic he said Satan I give thanks to Satan yeah that's so real that's so real because like a lot of this started when I learned about pizzagate and stuff and when I like went down this Rabbit Hole of like wait a second the most powerful intelligent and well-informed people on this planet worship Satan in these grotesque ways I'm like what do they know hmm like they know some stuff and like I'm over here like watching my eight billionth debate on YouTube about some specific thing you know yeah yeah you need to zoom back and look at the motion of the the two fronts in these two armies this is why Saint Ignatius of Loyola uh was a good influence on me because he simplified it in terms of battle layout like what are the what are these movements of these troops and you watch and you see what is the enemy doing and it's like wow you know and if you see the Satanist group that's going to meet in Boston or maybe they've already met I don't know they were very explicit you have to be double job you have to wear a mask you have to social distance ask to be an m95 mask this is the Satanist religion and they're very very proud of their doctrines and it makes me wonder why any Christian would not say hey if those are the Satanist doctrines I think we should disavow ourselves from those doctrines and do the polar opposite right which is trust your immune system love your neighbor and take it don't to take a social distancing and you know use common sense and protect the vulnerable of course that's always been the case for for Western men but uh you know it's just Satan that the problem with Satan is you know he's a really nice guy and everything but he overplays his hand he can't help it he does he can't help us yes he does man and he did and he did and I'm not trying to get cocky because uh I've been I've been leveled by uh the the struggles with this but um yeah I do also think that there's and and maybe I'll I'll talk to Matt about this perhaps I I think after this I'll watch um I'm very very curious about that and uh but one one thing that I hadn't quite considered until I was talking to this um really remarkable priest who's an exorcist um and he was I was expressing him I was like look the the primary thing there's two there's two things that are have kept me from confession for so long one isn't isn't something I'm going to mention right now but the second was this feeling of a lack of sincerity where I'm like I'm not you know sold on the specifics I feel like I'd be being insincere and and it was just kind of like that General scrupulosity in OCD that I've dealt with for so long where I'm like I don't really believe this like why would I go and do it if I don't really believe it isn't that like a lie aren't I lying and he's like that should not stop you and you also can't trust what you think you've been feeling sense this oppression and Grave sin has been clouding you know your intellect and your soul um so he's like all you need is the belief that um Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for your sins and through this Sacrament we'll take your sins away and I said can I just um can I take that back even a little bit further and just say like I think so and I'm gonna go for it like and he was like yeah that's fine you know so like that's how that's how like you know that's where I'm at with this stuff but knowing you know you've known me for many years and uh that's a whole lot further than where I was yeah well I think about Bishop Fulton Sheen he tells a story whether it's true or false we don't know but he likes to use illustrative stories and they're very powerful so he tells the story of this reluctant uh sinner this woman who is you know living a wildlife of uh whatever prostitution whatever it was and uh you know she was very happy with her lifestyle but she would come around with her friends come around to the church and because everyone in those days would go to church whether they were you know into it or not family obligation type of thing and uh you know what that's like growing up right but um you know he somehow man and forgive me if I get the story wrong it doesn't really matter but the basic idea is he tricked her into getting into the confession Booth because she never wanted to go into the confession Booth but he kind of bumped her in and then once she was in there you know she confessed her sins and she changed her life she changed her life so it's kind of that's how I kind of see you but you're not quite uh you're not quite as antagonistic as she was but it's a good illustration nonetheless it's just what I would say to you as a friend is just do it and then take careful note of how you feel going into the confession box and how you feel coming out not that feelings are the primary thing but just take note for the matter of Interest how do you feel going in and how do you feel coming out okay and what do you think going in and what do you think how do you think when you're out and I mean it's uh it's black and white it's night and day and uh you know we're gonna do uh we're gonna do another follow-up uh interview after this because after your confession if God willing to make it because between now and Sunday there's a lot of time and a lot of room for Satan to work his magic on you and to uh trip you up and oh there's no electricity in the church or we got a plumbing problem we got this we got that I mean my I've had um my credit card account canceled like just yeah I'm working on a lot of things not just film like uh something that I'll tell you um when we're done live streaming uh is it I've started a tech company and um it has a very strong moral bent to it and it just was uh very convenient now that was really spooky but that was actually just the AC foreign the ghost of uh Nashville is over here yeah yeah it goes to Nashville um but yeah yeah stuff like that where you know it's like I've been a Bank of American customer for um since like 2009 and just poof there goes the credit card um and I was talking to The Exorcist he's like yeah demons can text they will call they will they will screw with your life in more ways they can possibly imagine it like so oh it's real yeah well that's the that's the funny thing about these uh dark times I guess that's what we call the Silver Lining and uh we already know the punch well not the punch line but we know the outcome we know who won the battle uh Satan is nailed to the cross he's the Great Serpent nailed to the cross he's nailed there and this is another image from she and he talks about the tail that still has room to swing around and if you get close I mean it's up to you do you want to play that game do you want to do you want to dabble do you want to dance with Satan it's up to you because if you want to dance with him uh like I said he's very nice at first but once he's got you I just watched a video on TIG uh on tick tock on Twitter uh this guy was trying to impress his girlfriend or something and he's sticking his fingers in the cage of the hungry lion and it's just annoying a lot The Lion and the lion bit his finger off and uh it wasn't just a Chomp and it was the finger was gone it was like a prolonged battle for his finger like give me back my finger and uh it was disgusting but it's like Satan is like that we have Satan nailed to the cross do you want to go up and touch them do you want to impress your girlfriend do you want to make a scene do you want to be proud and uh you know get attention you're free to do that and how did that work out for you you know it never works out well so uh and I'm speaking here from personal experience you know dabbling with uh you know Temptation sin whatever it's always the same thing it doesn't matter what it is it doesn't matter if it's Pride gluttony sloth whatever it is if you just allow yourself you say well I'm just going to allow myself to indulge a little bit and uh it's just a slippery slope it really is a slippery slope so we have to be on guard and uh but my main point here is that Satan is defeated he's nailed to the cross but he can still hurt you yeah yeah definitely and he has uh he has many minions oh yeah oh yeah it's the scariest part is the humans who unbeknownst to them or maybe some of them know are uh playing along you know and uh I don't know I don't know how it would appeal to anyone to for example make a bargain like okay you can have money and fame and fortune and all these sorts of things it's like that doesn't melt my butter that that wouldn't convince me but there are other things little smaller Little Pleasures that would convince me right so everyone's got their sort of uh too their Temptation what will work on them and fame and fortune would not work on me maybe it would work on you you you're you're in a domain where possibly you know it's the sort of film business or whatever you want to call it multimedia uh so maybe there's an opportunity for you to be tempted with Fame and Fortune and money I don't know it's not so much aim um I think as it is power for me that that I've that I've seen definitely Target my heart um it's the the control over my environment yeah and that that's like definitely a lust for power there or it's like very intoxicating absolutely and not so much Fame and I think you know that's a blessing that I that Fame is not something that I find uh as enticing and I'm not sure why um but I don't I mean like I have an Instagram and there's like I don't even think there's a picture of me on it you know it's it's all about like the thing that I took a picture of the work that I've done and stuff and then even when I make these films and like I don't I don't like doing press there's so I mean you get pulled on 8 000 different podcasts and radio shows and and all these interviews and stuff I don't enjoy it um I well I should say I don't mind doing it and I enjoy speaking about the work that I've done but the thrill for me is not I High I made the thing like you're talking bro look at you you get to talk to the guy who made it yeah yeah um that's not a throw at all so um but it's definitely the for me um it's the lust for power and specifically power over my environment that I can that I can squash all the the discomforts and the the problems and I don't have to stress about money and and all these different things um so that's that's something that I've been aware of for myself and one of the prayers that I've been praying is that God will keep me humble as my power increases because my power has been increasing yeah like my influence just just by pure fact of what I'm doing in my career my influence has increased and so I keep asking God because man I have seen you I could tell you stories of the people who you think are champions of you know Health Freedom or whatever political ideology and I'm like I'm on the inside I know how much they get paid I know what their contracts say I know how much they make from supplement companies I know all these things and I have seen it turn them so quickly in the time that I've known these people I've seen it turn them just like that and I'm like God save me from that whatever you got to do keep me humble so that that does not happen to me yeah we'll we'll talk uh privately about the all the the gossip we're not supposed to gossip as Christians but um so I'm just joking there but um you know it makes me think about the Davos group and the Waf and the meeting that they're having now is it still going on now yeah um you know and similar sort of top-down planning of society and all that I'm sure it's a rush I'm sure it's a thrill because I've played games I've played video games where you can control society and you just control the means of production you control everything and they're just little Pawns in your game and you don't care like sometimes you bring natural disaster just for the fun of it in these video games okay so I know that it's fun and I know that you lose touch with the people as people you just see them as pixels on your screen I know that okay and I know my heart that I'm a sick person and that I am capable of worse than anyone in in the history of crime and massacres and sexual perversion whatever like I'm capable of all of it and more right I'm surprised that more people aren't indulging in their sick fantasies okay there are very few you have to sort of reach far and wide to find an Aleister Crowley or someone like that that's really going for it okay it's not to say this is not to say that I went for it when I was a Satanist or that I want to go for it but I'm saying that if you were to let loose and just say screw it I'm just going to go for it do what thou Wilt yeah I mean I've got so much darkness in me and I've played all kinds of fantasies throughout my life and I know how dark it is so I'm kind of surprised it must be the grace of God really that's restraining these people so I have a certain amount of sympathy for those people that run the world or whatever if that's the case I don't know if that's the case well I would say that most of them are puppets and the the number of people in my semi-professional opinion that actually pull the strings on the events of the world is less than 100 okay and the people and we don't know their names and the people who do parade around with hundreds of billions of dollars and go to these economic forums and such um they're to a large degree front men I think Kyle Schwab is a very unintelligent man I don't think he's insightful it was bad which one the greatest you're a great reset yeah yeah I don't think he's insightful I think they're they're a lot closer to chat GPT Bots than they are like human beings where they just kind of have a lot of data input and then they can form politically and ideologically correct sentences push them out and then they have just Capital injection that just keeps this whole thing going they're not actually the people who are who are running the show but you know Jesus was tempted uh in in three ways and the Third Way is the most interesting to me because he was taken up and he was shown the kingdoms of the World by Satan so a couple right off the bat I find several things interesting about that the first is that Satan was able to have a direct conversation with the Son of God in the same way that Satan was able to travel to and from the third heaven in order to uh discuss buggering around with job so you have Satan converging with the Son of God interesting point number one second interesting point is Satan tempts the son of God with the keys to the kingdoms of all the world he says I will give them to you wait a second you're telling me that you have the power to give them to the Son of God and that's the case because Satan does Run the World Satan is is the is the prince or the king of this world um and Jesus of course is the perfect God man [Music] um overcomes this is this temptation also another interesting point he was tempted right it didn't say that Jesus was presented had no stirring in his heart and then just said no it was called the three Temptations as in Jesus was tempted as in it was something desirable and he recognized that it was desirable and then he suppressed the the carnal desire perhaps my theology is wrong on that I'm kind of just I'll have to double check I'll have to double check that yeah I know for a fact that Jesus in his human nature and in of course in this divine nature was incapable of sin it's not just that he didn't sin he was incapable of sin but the Temptation Saint Paul does talk about how he was tempted and so that he he understands Temptation and so uh there's some Nuance to understanding that but go on and all of that to say that Christ said no but I believe that those who killed Christ were given the same offer and they said yes interesting and that lineage I think it goes pre-christ and post-christ up to today and it's the same very small nepotistic set of individuals who said yes and they were given the keys and I mean they're again they're like kind of running it but they they lost their soul in the process so the the very strict like I don't know man it must be such an unbelievable thrill such an unbelievable High to run the world that they're willing or maybe Satan deceived them and was like no you could you won't go to hell like I don't know what he said that they were like yeah we have a hundred years which is actually like more like 60 when you think about how long it takes you to get to any place yeah you have six decades to do whatever you want and then you're just going to be in agony for all eternity like I don't get the the math on that yeah yeah well there must be some deception because Satan is the father of lives there must be some deception because there are even Christians I've met who don't believe in The Eternity of hell they think that you know everyone will be eventually saved or other people just think there's Annihilation so you're uh it doesn't hurt when you're annihilated everything all the pain goes away so there are Christians who are deceived by that so imagine the dark side if the Christians are deceived by that imagine the dark side well have you uh ever been made Familiar of the work of William Blake no but I know he's a famous poet and he did some psychedelics I don't know about that potentially he was a he was a Mystic of some sort no he's a painter and uh maybe someone of a a scientist or a science philosopher maybe the paint fumes were part of uh potentially potentially I I could be I don't want to attribute this to him incorrectly but I will say that I have heard um in many places the gnostics being one of them that it is actually Satan the protagonist in The Bible and that it is God who is the antagonist and uh there's this clever ruse set forth that we are being oppressed by God and that it was the rebellious Angels who were trying to liberate uh Mankind and that that's why we have to join forces with him because we were meant to be like gods and if we join forces with with Satan um then we too can become like Gods as in the identic Temptation and uh then we will live forever as you know Supreme Being so perhaps that is you know what I almost wanted to join when he gave you a little speech there yeah no it's very exciting because because my my uh and we'll say inquisitive brain goes really is there a book I could listen to on this give me 10 more debates I'll I'll put off this for another decade uh well it is amazing you know once you know the problem is uh well Satan's problem I guess is once he lets the mask slip and once you sort of smell the stench of it's It's a turn off it is a turn off yeah well and also when you can see how good it it is and can and will be with with God and on the path of of righteousness and the logos yeah that joy we talked about the joy of the Saints and suffering yeah then it's like well you know what what you're offering Isn't that cool because like I haven't I haven't gone to the to the degree of perhaps Augustine or or any any sort of extreme debauchery but I have had um seasons of of do what thou Wilt yeah um and it always left me feeling really horrible like I'm not skilled at making myself happy or fulfilled so yeah for sure for sure and there's another thing there's another indicator which is the mental Clarity that you have when you have self-control and Chastity and these sorts of things the clarity you have the ability to reason and by contrast the clouded muddle-headedness of that inebriated State when you indulge and I too have not indulged that much you know in sex drugs and rock and roll but to the little extent that I allow myself to indulge myself with whatever pleasures and just self-indulgence generally it has a dumbing down effect and it's very very very very very very obvious like there's a sort of depression that comes over you and uh you're in a fog and everything's darker and there's no joy there's no spark there's no color and uh with God yes we have to face the brutal reality of not only our own sin but the sin of our neighbors and the sin of the of Salvation history everything that's come before us since the fall and it's painful it's it's it's I understand completely the desire to escape all of that mess and just live in your little safe little bubble with your little pleasures and your little TV shows and whatever it is and uh but the mental Clarity that the Saints had is obvious and even in my little crappy life I've seen the difference between dancing with the devil and the poultry Pleasures you get from that and the dumbing down that comes with that and then going to the confessional getting right with God and just the clarity and the joy and the peace that comes with that it's just the choice is very very very very very very clear I think one of the things I'm going to spend a lot of time meditating on is God is a storyteller and and the fact that The Narrative that he is spoken into existence you know the story of Mankind's history could it be Satan oh curious yeah oh yes what happened I said the perks are being oh so famous um just many many interviews being scheduled okay they know where you are they know where you are yeah um anyway God is as a Storyteller and me as a Storyteller and a romantic and I think in order to have I think the best story is our romance stories yeah of course um yeah or I should say um you can't tell the best story that you can tell if it doesn't have an element of romance in it um and so when I consider the Bible and in Salvation history there's sort of like this Hitchens Ian perspective of like well why would a good benevolent God tell this story this story is obviously full of of Caprice and and bloodshed and and tragedy and all these things and um I I'm that don't have Clarity on this but I think I'm starting to see a perspective where when your God you're not um you have a the omniscient perspective and so giving creating something X knee hello giving it your likeness and uh breathing your life into it and then giving it freedom of will to choose Annihilation or not because to choose sin is to choose annihilation it's it's to will your own non-being is What Choosing sin is and to give like your creation that the ability to do that and then like kind of just like setting up all these dominoes such that it results in like well actually it's your son that has to die and people have the option to hear about him and then believe in him we're not believe in him and there's going to be Mass confusion it's actually going to get really really bad but he's going to come back and it's going to be glorious and amazing and like it just makes you stop and think like well why did he tell that story oh that's is that kind of interesting that he chose like like when I go watch a movie you think about like well why did James Cameron choose to tell the story of the blue people on the planet and these other people coming in like what was he really thinking about and then you get to know James Cameron more like well this is what he values this is what he finds meaningful but in this story like we're we're protagonists so it's even more exciting than a movie or reading a novel because it's like you get to sort of Choose Your Own Adventure like do you want to be part of like the coolest story ever and I'm just gonna have to I'm gonna have to spend a lot of time thinking about that because uh and perhaps this is another one of those um clouded intellect Hang-Ups that I have of like well if I don't understand the story then it's a [ __ ] story then I want to read it no no I think it's good Insight it's a valuable insight and it's healthy and you're definitely onto something uh I mean the vocabulary that you use is the vocabulary of a Storyteller filmmaker magician whatever but um I'm sure the Saints have have experienced firsthand in a mystical way using mystical language the same thing and I was just as you were speaking you know I found it beautiful and touching and the sad part of your story the side part of your vision which I think is mostly true the sad part is when we want to escape God's reality into a man-made fantasy that's the sad part so you want to just ignore that you're the main character in this very exciting drama and you want to just watch PornHub or whatever and jerk your beef or whatever they call it and it's just like it's completely vacuous there's no there's no lasting pleasure to that there's no uh there's no joy in that and uh or whatever it is if you want to uh Drown Your sorrows with food or booze or whatever it is it's very very very very sad not just for the human not just for the humans but for God it's very sad and God took on flesh and he he has a human nature he took on a human nature so God can be sad and God is sad and the and the Saints talk about how God in Christ is sad in his human nature right so there's an intimacy that God took on with his Creation in the Incarnation and that's why we Stamped Out All the heresies that sort of would have dismissed all of that connection the bridge building so that we maintain that integral connection that bridge between the finite and the infinite and we can say of God that he is sad he's saddened by our desire to escape his reality and at the same time he has compassion he has Mercy he and he understands that it's too much it's too much but we don't need to carry it that's the that's the good news we don't need to carry that load Christ carries it for us and Christ died in our place and we can if if we can only trust him and this is where saint faustina uh talked about the Divine Mercy this is very powerful if if only we could trust God we'd make him very very happy right and so what is the the um the contrary message if we don't trust God we're making him very very unhappy and actually Christ talked to Saint faustina and said that the thing that saddens him most is when people don't trust his Mercy when they're worried they're scrupulous and they're they're beating themselves up flagellating themselves up over some small sin that God is ready to forget God wants to forget about it but we are obsessed with ourselves because we're proud so we have to this this comes back again to what I was saying about going into the confessional like a child just trust God be like a child and you'll make him very very happy and what what could be better than making God very very happy right no kidding so it's it's very easy to listen to me speak and say wow this David is like a little child with respect to God no I'm not but I'm giving you a pep talk and I'm giving myself a pep talk at the same time so well I mean I need it and I appreciate that this is this conversations happening prior to the confession because I hope it does um uh just just help me avoid a lot of the a lot of the nonsense that I could create that would just get in my own way of of making this confession and um enjoying the Graces as a result of it so [Music] yeah man I'm curious I remember remember saying to others and to myself like yeah well you know I might not be an atheist for other forever but I'm definitely never going to become Catholic again it might have been actually on your podcast yeah probably it was probably yeah on your podcast but there's definitely like a recording of me somewhere um cotton 4K oops but uh yeah and and you know I work with I work with Protestants and oh yeah I was gonna ask you about that yeah yeah I worked I work with Protestants and I have exclusively worked with Protestants for like the better part of four years and so um there is so much uh friction and and you know they're they're respectful of course or whatever and it's a lot of playful bantering but there is not just just not an understanding of like what Catholicism is it's like oh you're praying to Mary that's necromancy I'm like oh my God it's not never mind just never mind you know like and I don't know how like or or I'll say you know I'm gonna go to confession and the response is like Jesus said confess your peter said confess your sins to one another not to a man in the Box you don't need a you know a priest they said don't call anyone else father but me you know and then I don't know that I have all the answers to it but Protestant has been wrong about everything else so I don't really care like I don't I just don't even have like the energy anymore to be like well actually it says yeah yeah Satan wants you to have the witty comeback That's what Satan wants he wants you to get involved get just a little ping pong ping pong ping the tennis it's the never-ending tennis that's why I'm excited for you to watch uh Matthew Murdoch's thing because he's like I'm done with the tennis I'm done with the ping pong I'm done with all that it's like I'm broken God help me here I am I don't care about theology okay if it's true it's true great I don't understand it whatever just take me I'm yours you know and they're I think you know there is definitely a um I believe that there are axiomatic truths and I'm not dispensing with them I think those are the foundation upon that's act I I am in love with the logos because it is coherent yep yep that's where I can love it from I'm reading a book Now by one of my recent guests he wrote a book on the Trinity and uh it kind of annoys me he's a Protestant guy a nice guy but um you know he says it's in a reverent book because he started playing around with the controversial ideas about the Trinity but he he's hinting at the idea and it kind of goes back and forth like how committed it is to this idea but it's just sort of like a device that he's using in this book um that contradiction is possible not only possible but necessary for the for the Trinity and even for God to exist and I mean I recall it that I will not accept any contradiction ever it's kind of just sort of my Western mind you know um but there is something about the East that has that has something valuable to offer about Paradox so if we can get as close to contradiction as possible and have a lot of tension uh you know in our Catholic religion and our faith I'm willing to go right up to contradiction but I'm not willing to cross the line like Paradox if there's a lot of paradox great I just call that mystery I call that tension um you know I I don't I don't feel the need to comprehensively understand and explain to others what the Trinity is if I speak to someone that doesn't believe in the trinity I just say it's a question of Faith do you have the faith do you has God given you the faith to believe that he's a trinity no okay well God bless you I have the faith I believe in the Trinity don't ask me to explain it to you I could talk about it I could use rationalizations to talk about you know to make it seem like it's not contrary to reason and it's not I guarantee you it's not but uh yeah so I understand I understand a certain part of your uh Faith Journey when it comes to the tricky Mysteries of the faith but I will always come back to the childlike innocence and just the the the humiliating fact that you do not comprehend and you never will comprehend period not even in heaven it's a dogma of the church that even in heaven we don't comprehend God yeah well because he's incomprehensible and I I wrote something down uh a couple months ago that it is it is the incomprehensibility that makes God romantic that makes our relationship with God romantic because if you could completely understand it then all of the mystery and all the Wonder is gone and maybe I have more of a purchase on that as a magician of like well if I've probably had close to a thousand experiences where I perform a magic trick and somebody just berates me into telling them and I watch as their entire countenance just goes oh well that's lame you know because I'm like well I just I'm like oh I just did I put the card here and then it's here and then it goes here and they're like oh that's not cool and I'm like well no it was cool you dip [ __ ] and then I told you how I did it and now it's not cool so like yeah the idea that there would be any kind of romance or or that God would even be God if like we could be like if imagine imagine like Catholics or Christians or any thinker in the past being like yes there is a God look I wrote it down then that's not God bro like why would you be able to write it down you're missing the point well yeah as you're speaking I'm thinking about the and this is a very crass analogy we can't push this one too far but I'm thinking about the romance and the Mystique and the glamor of women to men right so um you showed us a little hint of shoulder you just showing you know react koi about it and I'm not saying this is a good analogy uh you know it's very limited analogy but there's certain there's a certain truth to it and um God made our human nature he knows how we are and he knows that we seek the good the true the beautiful and all those things that he is he's the source of that and he is that and uh you know he could blast us he didn't need to make us go through the Garden of Eden and the test and the Salvation history and the war and the corruption and the crime and the everything he didn't need to make us go through that he could have just blasted us with his Beauty and his goodness and his truth right and a lot of atheists say to me why didn't they've got regard that's how I would have done it and my rebuttal is but is that what's happening look around open a newspaper look out your window is that what God chose to do are you going to choose to live in that or not first of all and second of all um I would I would respond to that like you would make a shitty storyteller yeah everyone is happy and they're still happy and they will always be happy and and like it's just 400 pages of that like we would be happy yep still happy yeah wow this part gets really good they're still happy you know so and I would say with respect to the whole woman thing and I know now I'm just opining on male female relationships not on your analogy um I think that men understand women it's women that don't understand women and the more effeminate that a man is the less he understands women okay okay interesting how long have you been playing with this idea uh since he said what you just said really okay just came to you yeah okay cool because I spent a lot of time like thinking like I don't understand women and then when you said that I was like damn it I do like I actually totally get them but no woman that I've ever met actually understood what the hell is happening inside of her brain and and when I looking back at the times that I was confused about women it's because I was extremely effeminate like no no no like actual strong clear-minded patriarch yeah is like fretting over women like that's not happening you know yeah yeah yeah yeah oh when I read the Old Testament I am I am impressed with the uh machismo and the masculinity of these men and it goes a little bit too far for my taste but I'm a very modern man you know meaning I'm not a very manly man I'm a very modern man yeah yeah I'm sure there are things that God frowns on in the Old Testament many many many many many many things that God frowns on but they're there warts and all and uh it's part of uh like we were saying it's part of this colorful story it's a very very colorful story The the trick is which team are you on and I come back to Saint Ignatius of Loyola like there are these two camps these two warring troops and which one are you going to choose you know and and honestly it's a blessing that the options are so clear yeah and they're not clear to everybody obviously uh you know a five and a half billion people took the vaccine okay 13 billion doses administered some people are on dose five like there's there is a level of um just utter lobotomy that has occurred on I would say about 60 percent of the sentient human beings on this planet um so which by the way I'm a flat Earth or any young Earth creationist I don't know if that was uh I don't know if that was true back when we talked last night no no I don't think so your electric Universe guy when we last talked yeah well I think I think the electric Universe um is a wonderful physics explanation for what happens on a flat Earth my friend in the chat Daniel drazenovich says Adam was androgynous I don't know if we're talking before Eve was removed from his side created from his side um I don't like to think of Adam as androgynous what about you yeah I'm not a fan so I'm not sure if there's some subtle Nuance to that but uh yeah so your young Earth creationist like me yeah so my my working theory is that uh the that the Bible is um uh the one book on God's bookshelf and that he may he may have told many stories in the past I think he's totally within the realm of his license to have told a bunch of stories maybe on different Earths excuse me Earths or different sections on our on our plane but I do believe that um mankind was created X knee hello within about 10 000 years and uh that there were trees that were miles high and like mountains I think mountains Were Trees there's a lot of like um really there's a lot yeah there's a lot of mesas that are just like very obviously like chopped down trees and stuff I think there were giants as described in Enoch I I fully believe the account of of the Watchers and the Nephilim and uh and that Adam and Eve live for almost a thousand years and that Noah lived for you know six or seven hundred years I think those were actual years and that they lived for the six you know those actual periods of time um I think the Tower of Babel was actually men trying to climb into heaven and make war on God I think Heaven is up but I think Shale is down like uh Jesus indicates that with this body language very clearly yeah and and this this relativism that like swept through the church kind of blows my mind looking back at it that we're like well we'll just accept um big bang at cosmology and evolutionary theory and still pretend like we can have our cake and eat it too yeah it's big big big big big mistake and I'm like the story is just so much cooler the way we had it it was like the coolest story and we just gave so much ground to these dysgenic nihilistic vapid atheists now granted the Big Bang thing was a uh whatever his name was uh you know yeah but I don't know am I allowed to uh [ __ ] on this Society of Ignatius what are they called yeah well they're good guys and bad guys in every Camp right so you've got the weeds and the wheat and Jesus said don't pull up the weeds or you'll uproot the wheat right so we should expect in every group whether it's the hockey coaches of Canada or whoever it is we should expect some bad players in there or if it's your uh local Jewish synagogue or whatever probably some good guys and some bad guys in there whatever yeah you know I don't I don't look at groups like this is a Puritan group they're pure they've never seen in this other group over here that's where the bad guys are I see them mixed in um yeah so that that was all very exciting too and that was like a work in progress it was like probably about three years yeah um because I I was a flat earther for like 18 hours about four or five years ago and uh much to my horror I was like I find these arguments compelling you know and I was like I'm gonna apply to go to Mars in high school like when Elon was like we're going to Mars I was like I'm going to Mars you know like people like listen to flat earthers and like oh you guys are just idiots it's like no we we all thought the same thing you thought okay we we all thought it we just then stopped thinking it and so you should ask us why instead of thinking that we're morons you know um and so I interviewed Rob skiba for the greatest reset and uh Rob uh took jasher Enoch and Jubilee and then um put them in perfect chronology with uh the pentateuch and printed it as a book that you could read and get like the full context of like the Tower of Babel and the Giants in the fall of the fall of um Satan and all these things and I understand that they're extra biblical texts uh and and not canonical but it was very fascinating and he was a flat earther and he was explaining biblical cosmology and he was like if you say that this is the inerrant word of God you're a flat earther and a young Earth creationist period there's no ifs ands or but about it the authors of the scripture thought this now if you choose not to then you have to start casting um lenses through which they looked that they may not have looked like oh well that was poetic literature how do you know it was put just because you don't think it's true like you're saying like oh the the Adam and Eve story was like a poetic literature and God didn't really create like two people it's like wait a second you're saying that the Son of God rose from the dead put all the stuff in the Old Testament was just like a cool metaphor because he can't possibly do that so it all it made it made this world so much more exciting to live in and uh now it's like when I fly because I fly all the time now and I'm looking out the window and I'm like well of course it's flat it's looked flat my whole life it's looked flat to everybody why we think why all of a sudden I think it's I think it's very bumpy yeah I'm kidding I'm not I'm not a flat earther uh I'm I'm growing more and more sympathetic to uh geostationary geocentrism I sort of like de facto geocentris geostationary like I mean that's definitely my preferred uh uh option like I mean I don't know what what the case is um I haven't looked into Flat Earth I saw one documentary about it that uh seemed to prove it wrong I mean I worked at the space agency here in Canada so it's kind of what I'm hesitant to look into it because my whole life I just uh just took everything for granted and I think I think it's easy to debunk but I haven't looked into it and I guess we'll have to do an episode on this and you can send me some links and stuff sure sure yeah it's the main thing for me though is uh how does it interlock with Catholic dogma why is it important theologically that's the main thing other than the obvious well Satan runs this world he's trying to deceive us yeah I get that I get that but are there other other theological significations for example with young Earth creationism there's that proximity that I always talk to talk about where I have the proximity to the fall and uh you know there are many other dogmas that won't allow uh any form of theistic evolution like God created a good world not a world full of death and disease and all that sort of thing and uh you know the soulless the form of the body and the Immaculate Conception there's one and only one Immaculate Conception there are many many theological reasons why in the north creationist I don't I can't think of a good reason why uh I would have to be a flat earther just based on theological arguments you have any off the top of your head you could sort of only one only one um and that would be the geographical um descriptions in the Bible which is that there is the four corners of the world there is there's directions that are very explicit and God is up okay well yeah but God is also up yeah and Elijah and um Jesus and Mary all ascended and there's an objective up and then there's a descent that Jesus makes and you have to go down and Shale is down and this holds the Damned go down and uh and that and that there's you know Pillars of the Earth and like there's just very clear like descriptions of shape and geography and um the the rebuttal to that would be like well it's they didn't have the right words to describe it or they didn't have telescopes all these things it's like you could make that argument I just don't think these people were idiots I think they knew exactly what they were saying yeah yeah yeah yeah no I definitely I mean I definitely believe that hell is down and Heaven is up like in a very literal sense like Heaven's that way and hell is that way I definitely literally believe that um you know I could be wrong I guess but I mean Dante talked about that too right yeah that just doesn't work when you're on a spinning ball and an infinite vacuum because then up is like well it's relative and for Australians it's like when Jesus comes back and it says the whole world sees him at the same time it's like well how does that happen on a ball uh okay okay right how where is down is down like toward the core of the Earth are we saying like hell is like the iron core is how like another dimension I'll have to look into this I'll have to look into it I do have a close friend that I met on the podcast who's kind of hinting at uh some Flat Earth stuff and he sends me some links and stuff like that but uh I'll definitely check it out and you can send me some links too but are you gonna make a film about it no no at least not in the immediate um because it's not like pressing but I would love to my heart is in narrative filmmaking I don't like documentaries and I really want to tell yeah I really want to tell stories and that's my end goal and so I'm sure that at some point later in my career uh the the setting will be on a flat plane and you know I think Tolkien did that wonderfully I think Tolkien and Lewis both were probably flat earthers okay ah okay yeah I saw something on uh Twitter today about the faked moon landing and I'm you know I'm 99.99 whatever certain that they never went to the moon I'm pretty sure about that could be wrong I don't haven't really looked into it I've just seen a few things floating around could be complete garbage what I looked at but a lot of questions about that have you looked into it at all totally yeah totally in the the no I think the one the moon landing is a great entry point for people into Flat Earth um and it's also like the easiest to prove um the there was a guy a Ukrainian scientist olenik who took all the NASA photos from the Apollo missions and um the photos that they took on on the film cameras on the surface of the Moon um had allegedly they had a plus a plus Mark etched into the glass of the lens and what this inadvertently allowed for is when you take several photos while moving not not quite just like if I took a photo and then I moved six inches to the right and took another photo uh what happens is objects that are at a great distance um will parallax so for example um as as this rotates like this there's a parallax yeah and that allows you to estimate the distance between the two objects and this is this is laws of Optics that are as provable as guaranteeing that this will fall and its laws of math that everybody learns in trig and those laws um because of that plus mark on the lens of those cameras showed that every single photo that took that was taken allegedly on the surface of the Moon happened within about 300 meters on a sound stage and what they were claiming were mountain ranges that were kilometers away were like right there and that's and that's impossible if they were actually on the lunar surface where these mountain ranges and all these objects and stuff were at Great distances and I feel like for that one is just it's like so irrefutable and you can like reproduce the math on it that anyone can at least at least say those photos are fake maybe we went to them but those photos are fake yeah so why Facebook photo it's fascinating you know it's fascinating this uh I don't know I don't know if it's the case that technology is accelerating you know the conspiracy theories if you want to call that they call it that in a pejorative sense or not in a pejorative sense either way there's a lot of information and there's a lot of uh you know this red pill phenomenon people waking up to uh the deceptions and the lies which are you know just uh huge and they're everywhere and the you know 911 all these sorts of things are just so laughable if you look into them that's one that I did look into and I'm basically 100 convinced that that was an inside job with controlled Demolition and the funny thing is I'm allowed to say that on YouTube whereas I'll probably get banned for talking about the job and all these sorts of things but it's a risk to take but it's just funny how we have a short memory too that's another aspect of the conspiracy theories it's like you can talk about the cute ones from the good old days you can't talk about what they're doing now yeah well that's what I loved about this one because it was the first conspiracy theory that reached through the screen and grabbed everybody and said you're living in one now you gotta figure it out is is covid real is this vaccine safe tune in next week to find out or maybe you'll [ __ ] die like you have to find out and and I feel more and more secure and this is why like I don't even care about saying like that I'm a flat earther anymore like they used to be like uh yeah I'll I'll tell you later but like I'm like you we are living in the most unbelievable time where where so much is being concealed but also still coming to light at the same time and you want to pretend to me that you who are not an astronaut or a physicist know more than I do about like the shape of this earth like I bet I could blow your mind and I do and every time I have this conversation with people every every single conversation I have with somebody who thinks the Earth is a sphere I always end up coming to the table with like more things to say than they do and they're like well you know what I haven't really looked into it I'm like I know I have I have buddy I also looked into the vaccines I've also looked in the world economic Forum it's way crazier than you think it is dark stuff well people like I was talking about earlier people don't want to leave the comfort zone the fantasy and the just the the dream and uh I want you to talk a little bit about the trauma MK Ultra sort of techniques that were used in the Satanic ritual abuse um did you learn anything about human psychology is it is there a natural component or is it all sort of Predator natural demonic stuff or is there are there tricks of the trade that someone could use in advertising these sorts of things just on a purely human natural psychological level from the satanists yeah I would say that advertising and with the capitalistic society that we live in right now is definitely inspired by the the same sort of manipulation and hypnotic tactics of um of of satanic deception most most certainly so there's a concept called the revelation of the method and I actually just asked um this Exorcist that I've been talking to about it uh so revelation of the method is when the conspirators Garner your permission to abuse you by deceptively telling you exactly what they're going to do and you either don't notice or don't believe them but the responsibility is on you to say no I don't want it and now now this is this is kind of crazy because if you think about uh media and films that have portrayed things that then eventually come to pass so for example in 2011 we had the film Contagion which is a shot for shot scene for scene year for year the last three years really I mean Sanjay Gupta is in it like you literally have yeah you literally have the head doctor on CNN playing the head doctor on CNN in Contagion saying things like we need to social distance and and the whole you know so you have you have something like that and um the the Hat the fedora hat wearing atheist redditors will say um well that's because you know we live in a world where germs and pandemics and cdc's exist so of course these things can be played out and stuff and it's like no you are um you are being psychologically traumatized but you're giving your permission because you you didn't see it you were deceived and it's really it's often very hard to see through these things and so I was talking to this Exorcist and I was like have you heard of this and he said no but when I explained to him what I just explained to you you he said yes that's how demons operate yeah it's all contractual stuff obligations like they're they're running with God's permission to every move they make is like very legalistic and all that they are immensely litigious the your wife can't be possessed if you don't open the door okay demons respect your patriarchy over your wife if you had children they would respect that no one in your family could be possessed if it wasn't you who opened that door now maybe you didn't say yes please Center my home but perhaps you sinned perhaps you've Gravely sinned perhaps you did drugs and psychedelics and you opened your mind up to this or whatever it is you you gave tacit permission somewhere along the way and you welcome them in and and that is what is happening with all these things and so you have primarily film I would say like Hollywood is a is the most emblematic of this like uh MI5 and the OSS collaborated with Ian Fleming to write the James Bond novels which were then created uh into the the movie series that we all know and all it was designed to do was to make Espionage and totalitarianism look sexy it worked and it would have worked I love the movies they're awesome but then the last James Bond movie is about an a tailor-made DNA bio weapon that kills you and once it enters your body you can never give it get it out and it results in like you having to like stay away from your loved ones all these it's [ __ ] coveted it's the vaccine it's to a T and it's like these these scripts are in production for a year or two beforehand and then you have the year of production and post-production like they know these things beforehand and it's it's all they're doing is saying like can we do this to you are you going to let us do this to you like you all think we're joking we're not joking we're telling you and we're telling you every single time uh you probably know film better than I do I've seen parts of a film that were explaining psychologically uh how human nature part of our human nature is we like to be polite and we don't like to say no we prefer to say yes and there was a killer in this fictional story I don't know if it was based on true story but I'm sure that we can find examples in reality um and the way he got off and got pleasure was by not just killing but getting uh the victim to walk into the Trap freely based on little social etiquette cues that he knew they would be they would have a hard time saying no to so it's a very subtle it's a very subtle device in this film yeah it's very powerful very very powerful to think about that like why do we comply why do so many people I didn't comply I'm not going to comply but why do so many people comply it's just these little steps it's just two weeks it's just to flatten the curve it's just it's just this it's just that it's just this but when do you say enough is enough it's like that boiling frog analogy I guess well and that's where this idea of free welcomes back in full force where it's like actually the most the gravest evils in this world are ones that we ascended to and yes Mass genocide is um well I mean perhaps this is this is a great example then the vaccine which is a mass genocide tool it's depopulation this is not a screw-up this is not opportunistic bureaucrats a capitalistic pharmaceutical companies this is a collaboration of a very small group of people to reduce the number of human beings on this Earth dramatically and it's working now I would say that that's a that's an evil that has been imposed on the world and we are victims but nobody forced the needle in your arm right a murder is is horrible but if you want to kill billions if you want to subvert the hearts and the minds of billions with for example pornography yeah pornography was was forced or fed to us but we click the button here the the responsibility always for those kinds of evil ends up resting on the individual and when you look at it through that through that lens you realize that well actually most of the evil in the world does start and end with you absolutely I mean this is this is how Satan wins Souls it's he's not he's not stealing your soul he's seducing your soul that's the difference right like No One's Gonna be surprised I talked to atheists and they say well on Judgment Day I'm going to say this to the God and I'm going to say that to God no you're not because you know why because on Judgment day you will see reality you will see what you the choices you made and you will have nothing to say you you will not say oh well I didn't know because God's showing you that in that case you did know and in the case where you didn't know God's not holding to you to account for that right so it's just he's God is very very precise and just and uh everything's happening just as it as it should and uh one of my favorite quotes from the Old Testament was when the Jews were complaining about how God's not fair because you know he some people see forgave some people he some bad people he forgives some good people he doesn't forgive when they mess up and he says are you sure it's me he's sure it's me that's unjustly sure it's not you it's unjust and that's what it's going to be like on Judgment Day we're just going to be like yeah even those who are burning in hell are going to be like yep yeah I get it I get it yep it sucks but yep and what's interesting about that is it does permit a um a lot of people going to purgatory it permits huge swaths of people not being culpable because they didn't have the capacity for full compute for full consent and therefore they will not behold fully responsible so that I mean that I guess that is a bit of a you know a white pill yeah there's a there's a lot of gray area and I often say that it's hard to sin it's hard to sin a mortal sin because you need full knowledge full consent of your will when's the last time you sinned with full knowledge of what you're doing and full consent if you will like yeah [ __ ] you God I'm gonna do this sin it I don't think it happens even as an agnostic or an atheist it's hard to do it's really hard to do that's what I said earlier in this conversation like someone like an Aleister Crowley they're one in a billion they really are and I still have hope for him that at the end of his life he repented I mean it didn't look too good it didn't look too good but there's still yeah the amount of people who have the perspective of how bad what they're doing is and then do it because it's the worst thing to do it's so small rock and roll yeah we've seen we've seen how paper thinned the rock and roll Punk lifestyle of the rock and roll musicians of America have been like over the past three years we've seen they just crumble in the cave they're they're not rock and roll they are not rock and roll okay so uh to have a true Rebellion to to have a true Spirit of uh individuality and to just do it no matter what the consequence it's I think it's extremely rare now I'm not saying that the saints were wrong when they said that a lot of people or most people end up in hell I'm not saying that they're wrong I'm just saying that it's it's hurt I think it's difficult to end up in hell because you have to have that like I said the full knowledge and the full consent of your will now are there subtle forms of it where it's just day by day I'm just uh giving the middle finger to God just a little bit every moment of every day and then on Judgment Day that's the conclusion the conclusion is God says to you well you you didn't love me that's that's reality is that the slippery slope to hell like it's just the cute little old lady at church who's going through the motions and being a religious hypocrite and nobody knows that she's on her way to hell right but when God shows her reality on Judgment Day it's like you didn't love me now you didn't love me then you didn't love me with this choice that choice the other choice I don't know that's scary because I do take seriously the Saints when they say that a lot of people and some saints say most people end up in hell I didn't know they said that that's kind of crazy not all the saints uh you know certainly Saint faustina is emphasizing the mercy of God but this is another thing about you talked about the story of God God's telling a story he's also telling a story through the Saints uh and different aspects of the story and if we focus on one Saint in history like you pick your favorite Saint and you just focus on him you only read him or her and you get a certain aspect of the Catholic faith in a certain aspect of Salvation history you might have a distorted view because you haven't read what this other perspective was from this other equally great Saint you know right uh I will let you go because we're uh we're an hour and a half here and I see you're yawning but I want before we go I want to get a positive message that has to do with the good guys I personally have a certain chemistry with people I see on the television screen whether it's Donald Trump or fauci or whoever I have good chemistry and a certain Intuit intuition for some of the good players what seem to be good players in the whole covet thing one of them is uh Dr Peter McCullough he seems like a good guy can you vouch for him or I have spent many hours with Peter and went to dinner with him at least once um and I think that uh he's he's definitely got a good heart and he's doing um a good deal of whistleblowing uh that require like he's not holding back on um really how bad this stuff is and he's kind of some of the first to say how bad it is like he was one of the first to break the story that the RNA does through reverse transcriptase affect your DNA your DNA is different if you're taking the vaccine your children's DNA will be different if you're taking the vaccine Peter McCall broke that story um just recently he uh he made it clear that the MRNA doesn't leave there's no detoxification of this it's integrated inside of you now and so he's not really pulling his punches on that and uh and he was a kind man and he's a Christian not a Catholic but he's a Christian um so yeah I think he's he's good to listen to I would say in general though don't trust anyone in the health Freedom Movement okay okay and I don't wanna I don't want to gossip so I'm not I'm not going to get into specifics but I would say don't trust anyone in the health Freedom Movement and I'm very proud to say that I'm not part of the health Freedom movie yeah yeah yeah that's Sage advice my basic stance is I trust no one but God and God alone that's my basic stance you know I know to do uh you know to go through daily life I gotta trust my wife and my mother and my friends to a certain extent I got no choice hey it's it's definitely a non-zero amount of trust but the uh the full trust goes to God that's for sure and there's there's also the thing like well let's wait and see and we judge no man before their death and like I talked about Crowley a lot like he's hopefully he's in purgatory but it doesn't look good for him but um yeah so we'll definitely uh have to talk again after your uh thing on Sunday morning is it in the morning you're scheduled for a confession uh no it will be after Latin mass at 1pm okay so uh my guess is around 3 P.M I will be in the in the office with Father Brian um saying all the most heinous things I've ever done Temple and no need to explain and you know you do need to give the context a certain a little bit of context if it's relevant to understanding the nature of the sin you know just the the kind of sin the context very simply and the number of times you did it like infinity or whatever the closest number is I was going to say like some of these things man just like all of them every time I did it all of the time all day every day for eight years okay yeah so I'm very proud of you I'm going to be praying for you extra hard and as you know I don't know if you remember but I do have uh Perpetual Mass being said for you and your family all day every day and this has been going back a few years now yeah um I will probably one day uh have the perspective on just how much protection that offered yeah very remarkable very great and the prayers of your mother and father whoever who else is praying for you have you spoken with your parents about this Sunday no oh okay to be continued we'll talk again next time so take good care and uh God bless you I love you very much and please do reach out to Matthew I'm sure he'd really appreciate to hear from you okay definitely I'll email you his uh his contact information uh I still got it unless it's changed okay much love David much love God bless you thank you very much God bless continued success with everything you do we'll talk soon okay all right why why do we never believe them [Music] these people know these people know who knows the governments know this has been well planned this is agenda 23. this is the great reset somebody mentioned go on to Google and go into the news section and then type in diet suddenly and lo and behold here's a whole listing of people of Articles of people within that last week who died suddenly older people but a lot of younger people throughout around the world and then you find out they were vaccinated and so it's like okay so it's the vaccine might be causing this most people don't want to know what's in the vaccines but yet when we open it almost two years into this we find that it still says intentionally blank in fact nobody wants to know what's in the vaccines because look if people understood what was in the vaccine they go ape [ __ ] it's just there's something different about the blood something's causing this and something needs to be said somebody needs to look into it I talked to other embalmers that have 30 40 even 50 years of experience have you guys ever seen this stuff before and the answer was always I've never seen anything like it and at first glance this is a bit scary U.S life insurance companies have reported an overwhelming and unexplainable increase in all-cause deaths among 18 to 49 year olds that's a that's a 12 Sigma event one in 800 years 12 standard deviations above the man no one's even calculating that it's apocalyptic protected with that visor there's a huge part of me that feels a responsibility for everything that's happened I'm so sorry the doctor after Wall came out and said Your son's dead you can go home now who knows young people are dying these days I said to Mr Hershman this is different this isn't normal is it and he said absolutely not the dead can't speak for themselves so therefore I have to speak for them we're connecting Dots here you know there's no way that that type of obstruction would not cause stroke heart failure my sister died she was 58 and she died suddenly on Friday of a heart attack they will do with you what they feel like doing to you it's the new bullet it's the new missile it's the new form of warfare [Music] I wanted people to understand that we're in a fifth generation Warfare for the heart and the mind this is the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world foreign most definitely evil in this world and evil like we could not possibly imagine