Ott's Fundamentals (Ep.09) - 2.1.13 to 2.1.19

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Ott's Fundamentals (Ep.09) - 2.1.13 to 2.1.19

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hey i'm back continuing now from where i left off we book part one or section one i guess they book two part one and we're on chapter two doctrine of the revelation regarding man or one the nature of man section 13 the origin of the first human pair and the unity of the human race one the origin of the first man and here we have a dogma the first man was created by god that's a defeated dogma the first man was created by god surprise surprise the fourth lateran and the the creative deed by which god called the first man into existence is to be conceived in regard to the soul as creatio prima in regard to the body as creatio secunda uh so i guess should i read the latin i guess i will why not the fourth letter council and the vatican council declared utram de nihilo conditi the creative deed by which god called the first managed existence is to be conceived in regard to the soul as creatio prima as in regard to the body the materialistic theory of evolution according to which man as to his whole being both body and soul developed mechanically from the animal kingdom is to be rejected of course it is the soul of the first man was created immediately by god out of nothing as regards the body its immediate formation from inorganic stuff by god cannot be maintained with certainty that's putting it mildly fundamentally the possibility exists that god breathed the spiritual soul into an organic stuff that is into an originally animal body really i don't think that possibility exists in fact noteworthy even if not absolutely decisive paleontological and biological grounds seem to point to a genetic connection between the human body and the highest forms of the animal kingdom well yeah they have a common designer so they have a common they have common so i disagree with ott and his assessment of theistic evolution special transformation it's nonsense anyway the encyclical humanity generous of pope pius xii 1950 lays down that the question of the origin of the human body is open to re free research by natural scientists and theologian he insists on the careful weighing of the pros and cons of the grounds for its origination from an already living material and warns the faithful against the assumption that discoveries up to the present under mine excuse me up to the present determine and prove the origin of the human body from an organic stuff and points out that in this question the need for the greatest reserve and care yeah i've read the uh the document in question humanity generous and it's a very very restricted freedom that it gives for special transformism the examining both sides of that question and not taking it for granted holy writ contains a double account of the creation of the first man genesis 1 27 says quote god created man to his own image to the image of god he created him gender theory is a bunch of nonsense too if we don't i don't want to get into gender here but continuing genesis 2 7 says quote and the lord formed man out of the slime of the earth and breathed into his face into his face the breath of life and man became a so the slime of the earth is not living matter right i i have no problem if god wanted to use the slime of the earth and uh he created the body out of that god could do whatever he wants but to say that we evolved from apes is a complete insult to our lord and savior jesus christ jesus christ did not evolve from apes sorry to tell you according to the immediate literal sense god created the body of the first man immediately out of inorganic material from the slime of the earth and vivified it by breathing it into it a spiritual soul the idea that the spiritual soul was created in an animal body is foreign to the letter of holy writ amen and to the fathers the question of the descent of the human body from the animal kingdom first appeared under the influence of the modern theory of evolution which is complete bs the biblical text does not exclude this theory i think it does just as in the account of the creation of the world one can in the account of the creation of man distinguished between the per se inspired religious truth that man both body and soul was created by god and the per accidents inspired stark anthropomorphistic representation of the mode manner of the creation while a fact of the creation of man by god in the literal sense must be closely adhered to in the question as to the mode and the manner of the formation of the human body an interpretation which diverges from the strictly literal sense is on weighty grounds i agree with that according to genesis 2 21 and following the body of the first woman was formed from the body of the first man yes genesis 2 22 reads quote and the lord built the rib which he had which he took from adam into a woman unquote this account which is starkly anthropomorphistic was understood by the generality of the fathers in the literal sense by individual fathers and theologians it was allegorically interpreted the alexandrians cagetan lagrange or explained as a vision in the case of huma lower holberg according to a decision of the bible commission the literal historical sense is to be adhered to in regard to the formation of the first woman out of the first man compare ecclesiasticus 17 5 which reads quote out of him he created a helper similar to him and quote first corinthians 11 8 says the woman is of the man quote the woman is of the man and quote however the saying is and remains mysterious the fathers concur in teaching that god immediately created the first man both as to body and soul they see symbolized in the manner of eve's creation the essential assimilation of the woman to man the divine inauguration of marriage and the origin of the church and of the sacraments from the wound in the side of christ the second adam compare saint augustine his works on two the unity of the human race and here we have a dogma the whole human race stems from one single human pair this is a scent serta dogma the whole human race stems from so if you want to call yourself a theistic evolutionist and you start talking about some gradual very gradual almost imperceptible difference between the apes and their human offspring and it's an ongoing statistical thing where no single human pair ever emerged as distinct from their be steel parents than you've strayed from the dogmas of the church sorry to tell you okay the whole human race stems from one single human pair period against the pre-adamite theory first expounded by the calvinist isaac de la pereira pereira in 1655 and the view of certain modern scientists according to which the various races are derived from several separated stems polygyn polygenism the church teaches that the first human beings adam and eve are the progenitors of the whole human race this is called monogenism the teaching of the unity of the human race is not indeed a dogma but it is a necessary presupposition of the dogma of original sin and redemption yeah for i mean we're all where did we get original sin if not from the original according to a decision of the bible commission the unity of the human race is to be reckoned among those facts which effect affect the foundations of the christian religion and which on this account are to be understood in their literal historical sense the encyclical humanity generous of pius the 12th 1950 rejects polygenism on account of its incompatibility with the revealed doctrine of original sin biblical proof derives from the narration of the creation which purports to relate the origins of the origin of all things and therefore also the first emergence of man explicit testimonies are genesis 2 5 which says quote and there was not a man to till the earth and quote and genesis 3 20 which says quote adam called the name of his wife eve because she was the mother of all the living end quote and acts 17 26 says quote and hath made of one all mankind to dwell upon the whole face of the earth end quote compare wisdom 10 1 romans 5 12 and following first corinthians 15 21 and following and hebrews 2 11. and also saint augustine his works on uh whatever in iowa we may note that racial differences affect external characteristics only the essential agreements of all races in physical structure and in mental endowment indicates a common origin there's one race that human rights in other words section 14. the essential constituent parts of human nature one two essential constituent parts of man and here we have a dogma man consists of two essential parts a material body and a spiritual soul this is a de fete dogma man consists of two essential parts a material body and a spiritual soul the fourth lateran council and the vatican council teach this doctrine in opposition to the teaching of the church is the exaggerated spiritualism of plato and of the school of origin according to which the body is a burden and a hindrance to the soul it's prison and grave in plato's view the soul alone makes the man while the body is only a kind of shadow the church teaches on the contrary that the body essentially the soul is the form of the body you can't have the body without its form the soul when saint paul speaks in romans 7 14 and following of a conflict between the body and the soul and when he longs to be freed from the body of death romans 7 24 he is not thinking of the body in its physical construction but in its condition of moral disorder occasioned by sin exactly again incompatible with church dogma is the trichotomism trichotomism taught by plato the agnostics manichaeans apollarians and in recent times also by gunther according to which man is composed of three essential component parts the body an animal soul and a spiritual soul which are rendered in greek greek as sarks the flesh that's where we get sarcophagus from sarks see he that's where we get psychic from or psychology from and pneuma is where we get the word pneumatic or anything to do with the wind and the air and the spirit and the continuing out the eighth general council of constantinople from 869 to 870 rejected the doctrine of the two souls and laid down the catholic dogma that man possesses only one single spiritual soul one rational and intellectual soul inhabits men the spiritual soul is the principle of the spiritual mental life and at the that is to say vegetative and sensitive life principle of the spiritual and mental life and at the same time the principle of corporeal corporeal life which is to say vegetative according and sensitive teaching of holy scripture man is composed of two essential component parts and will again be resolved into two parts genesis 2 7 says quote and the lord god formed man out of the slime of the earth and breathed in his faith spiraculum vitae is the principle the life principle the soul and man became a living soul and quote ecclesiastes 12 7 says quote think of thy creator before the dust returns to the earth as it was and the spirit of god who sent it end quote compare matthew 10 28 and first corinthians 5 3 and 7 34. the fathers defend dichotomism notably against the christologically false teaching of apolloniaris of laodaziya founded on trichotomism locution quote spirit and soul and quote serves on occasion as a designation of the higher and lower soul life without involving the distinction between two principles in holy writ the distinction between spirit and soul arises sometimes through the parallelism of hebraic poetry for example luke 146 and following speculatively the uniqueness of the soul principle in man is shown especially by the testimony of the self-consciousness according to which the same person is the principle of the rational as of the sensitive and vegetative number two relation of body and soul and here we have a dogma the relation the rational soul is per se the essential form of the body body this is a defeated dogma the rational soul is per se the essential form of the body body and soul are connected with each other not merely externally like a vessel and its contents a ship in its pilot see plato descartes and leibniz but as an intrinsic natural unit body and soul so that the spiritual soul is of itself and essentially the form of the body the council of vienna i don't know how you pronounce that vienna i always say vienna the council of vienna 13 11-13-12 condemned as heretical quad anima rationalis seyu intellectiva non-sit forma corporis excuse my latin the decision was directed against the franciscan theologian johannes olivier who died in 1298 who taught that the rational soul was not of itself immediately the essential form of the body but only immediately through the former sensativa and vegetiva which is really distinct from it this would destroy the essential unity of human nature replacing it by a dynamic unity of operation this decision of the council of vienna does not imply a dogmatic recognition of the tomistic teaching of the uniqueness of the substantial form or of the aristotelian scholastic hylomorphism i'll say that again this decision of the council of vienna does not imply a dogmatic recognition of the thomistic teaching of the uniqueness of the substantial form like plato's forms or of the aristotle developed plato's theory of ideas and forms and this dogma does not of itself imply a dogmatic recognition of those teachings okay according to generate genesis 2 7 the slime by virtue of the creation of the soul becomes a living human body and thus a component part of human nature according to the vision of zeke ezekiel 37 1 and following the dead members of the body are awakened to life through the spiritual soul the fathers conceive the attachment of body and soul as such an intrinsic one that they compare it to the hypostatic union wow compare the symbol qui kumque and saint augustine teaches quote from the soul the body has feeling and life end quote compare saint john damascene and reference the student there continuing now number three individuality and immortality of the soul and here we have a dogma every human being possesses an individual soul this is a defeated dogma every human being possesses an individual soul the fifth general lateran council which ran from 1512 to 1517 denounced the humanistic neoplatonists and we have as an example pietro pompon who exposed a veroistic monopsychism of averro uh avarois or whatever his name was was an arabic philosopher so the fifth flooder can later in council denounced the humanistic neoplatonist who espoused this mono psychism declaring that the rational soul in all men is numerically one unique principle and that only this we condemn and reprove all who maintain that the rational soul is mortal or one unique reality shared in by every man that's condemned the individuality of each soul is an essential presupposition of personal immortality obviously we're not going to go back it drops into the ocean and just merge with some kind of blase being from the one soul we have personal immortality the soul will not be destroyed in all eternity by decree of god the idea of retribution in this world appears strongly in the old testament yet even the oldest of its books profess against the assertion of rationalistic criticism a belief in immortality according to the view of holy red life on earth is an exile in a foreign land see genesis 47 9 for example the deceased go to their fathers as the saying goes in genesis 15 15 are gathered to their people see genesis 25 8 17 sleep in their fathers deuteronomy 31 16 3 kings two ten after death the soul enters the sheol that is a place of collective detention of the departed souls see genesis 37 35 the newer books especially the book of wisdom are rich in testimonies of the belief in immortality held by the people of israel compare especially wisdom 223 which says quote for god created man incorruptable and to the image of his own eternity he made him and quote according to another reading quote to the image of his own being end quote the firm belief in the other world expressed in the new testament rests on the conviction of personal immortality jesus teaches fee you're not fear ye not them that kill the body and jesus teaches quote fear ye not them that kill the body and are not able to kill the soul and quote matthew 10 28 these shall go into everlasting punishment but the just into eternal life end quote matthew that matthew 25 46 saint paul believes that he will be united with christ immediately after his death and not only after the resurrection he says quote but i am sustained but i am straightened between two having a desire to be dissolved and to be with christ and quote that from philippians 1 23 the doctrine of the death of the soul neto psychism is unknown in the new testament so the false doctrine of the death of the soul is unknown this nepto psychism nectar psychism nowhere to be found the passage ecclesiastes 3 21 says quote who knoweth if the spirit of the children of adam ascend upward and if the spirit of the beasts descend downward end quote appears to cast doubt on immortality however according to the context it refers only to the animal side of man which is like the animal mortal the immortality of the soul is proved beyond all doubt by other passages of the book compare chapter 12 verse 7 and chapter 9 verse 10. the fathers not merely unanimously assert the doctrine of immortality but also establish it philosophically origen defends it against nato psychism which was widely current in arabia saint gregory of nisa treats it from the philosophic standpoint in as does saint augustine in his monograph de immortality anime natural reason proves the immortality of the soul from its physical simplicity as it is not composed of parts it cannot be resolved into parts god could it is true annihilate the soul but his wisdom and goodness demand that he should not frustrate the con natural desire of the soul for truth and bliss in the other world just as his justice demands that he rewards the good and punish the would but he rewards a little note here he rewards the good more than they deserve and he punishes the wicked less than interesting i mean it's important to remember that fact about god and his everything looks good okay moving on now section 15 the origin of individual human souls in the posterity of adam the origin of the soul is associated with natural generation as to the mode and manner of the origin of the soul different opinions have been advanced one pre-exist pre-existentialism pre-existentialism pre-existentialism which was proposed by plato and which in the early christian era was accepted by origin and individual members of his disciples for example didymus alexandria evar evagrius ponticus nemes use of ms names that roll off the tongue as well as by the priscillianists teaches that the soul exists the soul that souls exist even before their connection with the bodies according to plato and origin from all eternity and are exiled in bodies as a punishment for moral defect this doctrine was rejected by a synonym constantinople in 543 against the originists and by a synod at braga in 561 against priscillianists the idea of a pre-existence of the soul and of a pre-corporal pre-corporeal fall through sin is unknown to holy writ again the passage wisdom 8 19 and following says quote and i was a witty child and had received a good soul and whereas i was more good i came into a body undefiled and quote is not to be understood in the sense of the platonic doctrine of pre-existence as the anthropo anthropological conceptions of the book of wisdom are entirely different from those of plato according to the testimony of holy writ the first man was created the first man created by god was good in soul and body genesis 1 31 sin entered the world through the fall by sin of our first parents genesis 3 1 and following romans 5 12. saint paul in romans 9 11 directly excluded a precorporeal fall through sin he says quote for when the children were not yet born nor yet had done any good or evil end quote the fathers with very few exceptions are opponents of the doctrine of pre-existence upheld by origin compare saint gregory nazianzus saint gregory of nisa saint augustine leo the first the testimony of self-consciousness testifies against the pre-existence of two emanationism eminentism which was represented in antiquity by gnostic manichaean dualism and which in modern times is taught by pantheism teaches that individual souls proceed by emanation or an outflowing from the divine substance the teaching contradicts the absolute simplicity of god it was rejected by the vatican council together with pantheism as heretical saint augustine says quote the soul is not a part of god for if it were then it would be in every respect unchangeable and indestructible three generationism generationism traces the origin of the human soul as well as the origin of the body back to the act of generation performed by the parents according to it parents are the originators of both body and soul the cruder form of generationism that is the traducianism exploited expounded by tertullian teaches that with the corporeal semen a part of the sole substance of parents tradux is transmitted to the trial to the child a less crude form of generationism which was held by saint augustine to be possible and in the past century by cli rosmini and others to be probable holds fast to the spirituality of the soul and makes the soul of the child emerge from a semen spirituality of the parents so not a physical semen but a spiritual semen generationism is incompatible with the simplicity and spirituality of the soul pope benedict the 12th demanded the condemnation of the doctrine of generationism as a precondition of the union from the armenians 1341 leo the 13th condemned the teaching of here we have a dogma every individual soul was immediately created out of nothing by god it's a scent serta dogma every individual soul was created immediately by god out of nothing creationism taught by the vast majority of the fathers by the schoolman and by modern theology holds that each individual soul is created by god out of nothing at the moment of its unification with the body this doctrine is not defined it is however indirectly expressed in the decision of faith of the fifth general lateran council pope alexander vii in a doctrinal assertion on the immaculate conception of mary which formed the basis of the dogmatic definition of pisces the 11 uh ninth pisces and i should say speaks of the quote creation and infusion unquote of the of her soul into the body pope pius xii in the encyclical humanity generous teaches quote the catholic faith obliges us to hold firmly that souls are immediately created by god and a stringent scriptural proof of the doctrine of creationism is not possible however it is intimated in ecclesiastes 12 7 which says quote the spirit returns to god who gave it end quote wisdom 15 11 inspiration of the soul through god and hebrews 12 9 distinction between the father the fathers of the flesh and the father capital f father of the spirits came in god most of the fathers especially the greek are adherents of creationism while saint jerome decisively advocates creationism saint augustine wavered all his life between generationism and creationism difficulty of reconciling the immediate creation of the soul by god with the handing on of original sin held him back from a decisive confession of creationism in the following centuries under the influence of saint augustine a certain indecision continued up to the period of the peak of scholasticism when creationism found a general recognition saint thomas went so far as to condemn generationism as heretical and the references given to the tsuma there so to erase human to forgive divine i have no problem that saint augustine aired was hesitating with his creationism because he had he's not infallible or teaching faith in loss except when as a bishop he was participating in the most uh means of his office that protected him from teaching error concerning faith immorals but in his writings his personal writings he's not protected in that way the time of the creation and infusion of the soul according to the aristotelian scholastic viewpoint in the human embryo three different forms of life follow one another in point of time in such a manner that the following form at any time takes place excuse me in such a manner that the following form at any time takes over the functions of the proceeding namely the vegetative the sensitive and finally after 40 or mutatio tandy's 80 days from this derives the distinction between the fetus informes and fetus formattus confirmation of this was sought in exodus 21 22 and following according to the septuagint and the old latin translation the fetus in formis was regarded as being purely animal god forbid the fetus for matus a human being the destruction of which was regarded as murder but you can't even destroy the single cell zygote that's murdered yeah modern christian philosophy generally holds that the creation and infusion of the spiritual soul coincides with the that's obvious i think i think we can the elevation of man to the supernatural orders we're continuing now with two the section 16 the concept of one determination of the concept natural in opposition to supernatural is that which is either part of nature or that which proceeds out of nature as its effect the natural order is the ordination of all creatures to their ultimate end in accordance with their nature i'll read that again the natural order is the ordination of all creatures to their ultimate end in accordance with saint augustine employs the word natural in accord with its etymology natura equals nashitura frequently in the sense of original originalities and on occasion in the sense of according to nature convenience the natural endowment of man in the sense of saint augustine includes also the supernatural gifts of the primitive state so we talk about what's natural for man is not to be in the fallen state to be in the but to be in the primitive state with all the gifts that we had supernatural is that which is neither part of nature nor proceeds as effect from nature nor can be claimed by nature but which transcends the being the powers and the claims of nature it transcends the being the powers and the claims of nature the supernatural is super added by god over the claims and endowments of nature to the natural gifts of the creature the supernatural order is the ordination of rational creatures to a supernatural two division the supernatural is divided into a the supernatural in substance and the supernatural in mode supernatural in substance is that which by its intrinsic character transcends the nature of the creature for example our knowledge of the triune personality of god actual grace sanctifying grace the immediate vision of god supernatural in mode is an effect which as to its essence is indeed natural but which in the mode of manner and mode and manner of its production transcends the natural powers of the creature for example a miraculous healing of a sick person b the absolutely supernatural or the supernatural pure and simple and the relatively supernatural this is another distinction or the supernatural in a definite respect the absolutely supernatural connotes goods of the divine order which transcend the nature of creatures for example sanctifying grace or the immediate vision of god the relatively supernatural connotes goods of the created order which though supernatural for one creature are not supernatural for another creature for example infused knowledge which is natural for the angels and supernatural for human beings to the relatively supernatural belong the so-called preternatural gifts of man's primitive state so the predator natural gifts of man's primitive state are supernatural in a relative way they're called relatively supernatural moving on section 17 relation between nature and super nature one nature's capacity to receive a super nature and here we have a dogma a creature has the capacity to receive supernatural gifts it's a cent communist grade of certainty on this dogma the creature has the capacity to receive supernatural gifts though the supernatural is beyond nature still nature has a certain receptivity for the supernatural the so-called oh boy obedient potential obedience i'll say i'm not sure if i'm pronouncing that right but my latin is horrible a certain receptivity for the supernatural this is the passive potentiality property creatures of being elevated by the creator to a supernatural state of being and activity you can see the zuma for that according to the school man the supernatural gift is induced through the power of the creator from the potential obedient in other words the passive potentiality which is present in the nature of the creature is actualized by the omnipotence of god this doctrine is essentially different from the modernistic teaching of the quote-unquote vital imminence according to which everything religious develops out of the necessities of human nature in a purely natural fashion so that's not what we're talking about don't bother trying to to organic connection of nature and supernature here we have a dogma a the supernatural presupposes nature this is a scent communist dogma supernatural presupposes nature the supernatural does not exist in itself but in something else it is therefore not a substance but an accident thus the supernatural presupposes a created nature which receives it and in which it operates yeah what's a supernatural means above the natural above the what above the natural so presupposes the natural b the supernatural perfects nature this is another dogma scent communist dogma the supernatural perfects nature the supernatural is not super added nearly externally to nature but affects nature intrinsically it permeates the being and the powers of nature and perfects it either within the created order for example the predator natural gifts or through elevation into the divine order of being an activity absolutely supernatural gifts the fathers and theologians compare the supernatural to fire which makes iron glow three the natural and supernatural aim of man and here we have another dogma god has conferred on man a supernatural destiny this is a defeat dogma god has conferred take that uh you evolutionists darwinists they have a supernatural destiny the vatican council establishes the absolute necessity of revelation by reason of man's ordination to a supernatural final end man's final end consists in a participation by him in god's vision of himself the attainment of this and by god by man gives glory to god and fills men with and we can compare first corinthians 13 12 or end first john 3 2 and for more on this see the doctrine of god paragraph 6 the natural end of man which consists in man's natural knowledge and love of god and in the natural glorification of god is subordinated and adapted to his supernatural end the natural order is thus used as a means for the attaining of the ultimate supernatural goal man by reason of his whole dependence on god is bound to strive after the supernatural destination determined for him by god if he neglects this then he cannot reach moving on section 18 the supernatural one sanctifying grace and here we have a dogma our first parents before the fall were endowed with sanctifying grace that's a defeat dogma our first parents before the fall were endowed with sanctifying grace the council of trent in opposition to pelagianism and to modern rationalism teaches if anyone will not confess that when the first man adam had transgressed the mandate of god in paradise he did not immediately lose the sanctity and justice in which he had been constituted and quote against bias and the jainzinist canel the church asserted the supernatural character of the gifts given to man in the primitive state i have lots of references to denzinger there too the elevation to the state of grace is indicated by the intimacy between god and the progenitors of the human race in paradise a scriptural proof is provided by saint paul's teaching on the redemption the apostle teaches that christ the second adam restored what the first adam had lost the state of holiness and justice but if he had lost it he must and here we have all kinds of biblical references you're free to look those up at your leisure the fathers find the supernatural endowment with grace indicated in genesis 1 26 genesis 2 7 ecclesiastes 7 30 which says only quote only this have i found that god made man right st augustine declares that our renewal see ephesians 4 23 consists in this that quote we have received justice from which man had fallen off through sin and quote saint john damascene says quote the creator has communicated his divine grace to man and thereby made him a participant in his community as regards the time of man's elevation to the state of grace most theologians including saint thomas and his school are of the opinion that the first men were created in the state of sanctifying grace peter petrus lombardus and the franciscan school on the other hand teaches that the first human beings on their creation received only the preternatural gifts of integrity and were required to prepare themselves with the help of actual grace well i mean i would have to go with thomas on this one i think we were created in the state of sanctifying grace but god only knows the council of trent has deliberately left the question undecided saint thomas teaches saint thomas's teaching is that of the fathers so it seems like saint thomas has the fathers on his side two the gifts of integrity the supernatural endowment of the first men yustia originales included in addition to the absolute supernatural gifts of sanctifying gift of sanctifying grace certain predator natural gifts the so-called dona integritas and here we have a dogma a the donum rectitudinis or integritatis in the narrower sense i.e the freedom from irregular desire so the supernatural endowment of the first man included the donum rectitudinous or the donum integritatis in the narrower sense that is to say the freedom from irregular desire so this dogma could be stated simply as the supernatural endowment of the first men including the freedom from irregular desire what i would call concupiscence the council of trent explains that concupiscence there it is the council of trent explains that concupiscence was called a sin by saint paul because it flows from sin but if it does flow from sin then it did yeah good point concupiscence comes from sin that's why we have the mystery of iniquity how did satan fall how did adam and eve fall before sin how did they fall right pride so i must have been reaching for some some good that was above their station holy writ attests the perfect harmony between reason and sensuality genesis 2 25 says quote and they were both naked and were not ashamed and quote it was only sin that gave rise to the feeling of shame see genesis 3 7 and 10. the fathers defend the donum into gratatis against the pelagians who regarded concupiscence not as a defect of nature but as a power of nature saint augustine teaches that the first man by reason of the gift of integrity had the possibility of easily avoiding sin and here we have another dogma b the dhonam immortalitatis the donum immortalitatis that is to say bodily immortality this gift the supernatural endowment of the first men included be the donum immortalitatis which is to say bodily immortality it's the council of trent teaches that adam fell under the sentence of death as a punishment for sin holy records that god threatened and imposed death as punishment for the transgression of his probationary genesis 2 17 3 19 and compare wisdom 113 which says quote for god made not death end quote wisdom 224 says quote but by the envy of the devil death came into the world end quote and romans 5 12 says quote by one man sin entered into the world and by sin death and quote the gift of immortality is as saint augustine teaches to be conceived as posse known mori the possibility of not dying not as non-posse mori the impossibility of dying fathers regarded bodily immortality as being transmitted through the tree of life and here we have another the supernatural endowment of the first men included see the dhonam impassive impassibilities that is the freedom from suffering this is a cent communist this gift is to be more closely defined as posse non the possibility of not the possibility of remaining free from suffering it is associated with corporeal immortality holy represents suffering and sorrow as the consequences of sin exactly genesis 3 16 and following before sin came into the world the progenitors of the human race lived in a condition of unalloyed happiness of course compare genesis 2 15 which says in paradiso voluptates but freedom from suffering in no wise means inactivity our first parents immediately after their creation by god received from him the order to till the land see genesis 2 15. and thus in the limited measure to participate in the work of the creator and here we have another dogma another the supernatural endowment of the first men included d the donum shientia that is the knowledge a knowledge of natural and supernatural truths infused by god this is saint communist dogma so the supernatural gifts of the first man included the donum shientier which is a knowledge of natural and supernatural truths infused by god since our first parents according to holy writ entered into existence in an adult state boom and were first teachers and educators were the first teachers and educators of humanity it was appropriate that they should be equipped by god with a natural knowledge suitable to their age and their tasks and with that measure of supernatural knowledge which was necessary to enable them to achieve their supernatural destiny in holy red the deep knowledge of adam is indicated in his naming of the animals see genesis 2 20 and in his immediate knowledge of the status and tasks of the woman see genesis 2 23 and following and the status and tasks of the woman do differ whether you like it or not they do differ from that the man in genesis 2 20 the naming of the animals saint augustine sees quote a proof of the transcendental wisdom unquote according to saint cyril of alexandria quote adam the head of the race was perfect in knowledge immediately from the first moment of his emergence end quote perfect in knowledge perfect in knowledge talk to a theistic evolution about adam and you will readily see that they believe that he was a dimwit the theistic evolutionists today believe three the gifts of the primitive state as hereditary gifts here we have a dogma adam received sanctifying grace not merely for himself but for all his posterity this is a adam receives sanctifying grace not really for himself but for all his posterity the council of trent teaches that adam lost sanctity and justice meaning sanctifying grace not merely for himself but also for us it follows from this that he received these not only for himself but also for us his descendants this according to the unanimous teaching of the fathers and of the theologians applies to the preternatural gifts of integrity with the exception of the dhonam shiente champier for these were bestowed for the sake of sanctifying grace adam received the gifts of the original state not as an individual person but as head of the human race and thus for the whole human race they were a present to human nature dhonam nature and according to the positive ordinance of god were to be transmitted with nature to all the heirs of that nature original justice was intended to be hereditary justice the fathers declare that we the posterity of adam received the grace of god gratuitously and lost it through sin this manner of speaking presupposes that the original endowment with grace ought to pass from adam to his posterity compare saint basil who says quote let us return to the original grace of which we were deprived by sin end quote see also saint augustine and you can look up those references there section 19 the various states of human nature by the state of human nature is understood the inner constitution of human nature in relation to the final goal set for it by god one distinguishes between historical or real and merely possible states one real states a the state of elevated nature that is the primitive state of the first human beings before the fall through sin in which they possessed both the absolute supernatural gifts of sanctifying grace as well as the preternatural gifts of integrity be the state of fallen nature that is the state following immediately after the sin of adam in which man as punishment for sin possessed neither sanctifying grace nor the gifts of integrity and see the state of restored nature that is the condition of those who have achieved their supernatural destiny i.e the immediate vision of god this state includes in its perfection after the resurrection the body of those in this state will also be endowed with the predator natural gifts of integrity non-poser camps in comment to all real states is the possession of the beatific vision of god which is our supernatural end two merely possible states a the state of pure nature that is a condition in which man would possess all that all that and only that which i pertains to human nature and in which he would attain to a natural final and only the possibility of a pure state of nature which was denied by luther bios and jensen janzenius is certain church doctrine it springs as a necessary consequence from the doctrine of the supernatural character of the gifts of the primitive state pope pius v rejected the assertion the the children who die i think it's a good time to stop here we are about an hour in so we'll continue next time i'll just take note here where we've done section item 19 and going on to 20. episode 9 we covered not today because today i did uh six seven eight and nine well yesterday i did six today i did episode seven eight and nine so i covered a lot of ground this weekend i want to get through this if i can show that far in this little so i've read 106 pages out of out of 544 20 19.4 percent so i'll leave there and i guess i'm done for today i'm done for this weekend hopefully i'll burn through some more next weekend thanks for being here thanks for listening thanks for watching thanks for listening thanks for watching and we'll talk very soon god bless

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