Catholic vs. Other - 2017-06-11 - Nicky

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Nicky runs the Westminster Satanism Meetup in Colorado. As far as I know, she is the first Theistic Satanist I have ever encountered. I came to Catholicism via Atheistic Satanism but I now renounce Satan and all his pomps and works, so help me God.


Catholic vs. Other - 2017-06-11 - Nicky

Author Recorded September 24th, 2016

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hi I'm Vicki and you're listening to Catholic versus other tell the listeners a little bit about yourself who you are what you believe and how you came to believe it okay so I came from pretty much a traditional kind of Christian background my mom was Lutheran and my dad was Italian Catholic what church did you go to was at all I think was a Baptist Church or maybe a Lutheran one eventually when I reached about eight or so we stopped going I don't really want to say that we got kicked out but the preacher kind of had issues with my mom working on Sunday she was a nurse so she worked all kinds of shifts weekday and weekend that seems are reasonable do you remember being a child and having this notion of God being presented to you either in church or at home do you remember your first sort of Inklings about religion and God did it strike you as strange or wonderful how did that strike you it's a mixed feeling because they say God is a creator wonderful person and so is the stone and blah blah blah but then you get the blood and shot him under Mara and this and that and then it's like a wait a minute here seems like well why would he do that humans are the inspiration in the first place that's the the age-old question and it's been resolved it all comes down to freewill where we were made by an all the God but were made free and He allows us in that freedom to make mistakes and their consequences for those mistakes what is the label that you're more comfortable with for your religion or your worldview I must comfortable with saying that my worldview is spiritual Satanism are you a theistic or an atheistic Satanist theistic towards the Luciferian side of things but it still has magic in it it's still acknowledging Satan in a way of as a creationist and is pretty much God it isn't the atheistic side of the left-hand side of things which is what most Satanists are and what most people are used to seeing Satanist as and I pretty much been disowned by my family when I went down this path I was raised a different way and they didn't understand how I feared from that path but you you you stand firmly for reason and truth and business right alright I stand for balance and there is a great area to everything even humanity in the universe right but when I said you stand firmly for truth and goodness you don't want to believe a lie and you don't want to suffer and you don't want your your family and loved ones or even your enemies to suffer do you I am on my enemies to have a sort of Karma for their wrongdoings that's a perfect justice right right so you you're on the side of justice right and that can be achieved I believe that we are you not in the mainstream of what you've encountered in terms of the Satanist communities that you encountered I am NOT in the mainstream of things I mean I can be friendly with most of them but I say the ones that I made you late clash with with the Philipp bias in this sex because they actually don't acknowledge Satan at all okay they're purely atheistic yes they are they believe that you are the Satan and using the left hand path through magic it can achieve your means independently well how do you see or will adieu seer will as free and that you can use your will for whatever you want to use it for do you want to do Satan's will or God's will or who will do you want to do I believe I can do mine and his at the same time I had communications to meditation what sorts of things do you think Satan is telling you that he wants pleasure power her and politics gives him a headache he prefers a quiet vivo teeth at would just go about a normal life or what how do you explain it yes going medically that how humanity used to be before all this how would you see industrialization take the thing he's not happy with the complexity of our modern life and the busyness of it and the destructions we have when you lose touch with your spirituality it's kind of your own magic as being a special being okay so we're sort of living a dumbed down existence according to your worldview to the extent that we're neglecting what's most important which is the spiritual side of things that would you say that that's accurate yes because humans are special creatures um right are you actively seeking converts to spiritual Satanism I am people that would be interested in it if they do want to they can't but if they don't they don't if the whole world converted to your worldview would it be a better world different it could be not necessarily it would be less decided does Satan want unity or does he want division he would like more unity because that is extremely divided right now especially with the three major religions right now organized religion is actually a very divisive point is it true that Satan hates organized religion and we if so which religion does he hate the most do you think Christianity does get after your skin but not as much as people think it does I'd say any kind of religion that denies natural human nature yeah my religion Roman Catholicism emphasizes human nature it's at the core to be as human as we can be not to repress any part of that nature or pervert any part of that nature but to be fully human is the glory of God so from my perspective Satan is good by nature but he's evil by choice and he's a he's a liar and he's a tricky guy so I don't believe anything that he said although I think most of what he says is true but he just tells enough lies in there that it's very effective but I don't think you believe that he's lying to you right you think he's telling you the truth ie you on what basis do you trust him I trust him because of the connection that I had since I was younger with one of his children are you one of his children I believe he considers me one of his children there is human adoptive children and then there's children from his room not always demons though they can actually be angels or demons okay are a lot of people walking around on the earth actually demons taking human form where's that rare that is rare but that can happen yes and the one that I met I'm close to I'm actually in a relationship with him are you promised things in the future like power and pleasure and settlor you promised a nice afterlife or do you just you just live in the moment and not worry about things that are going to come your way because your relationship with Satan I say that I'm really promised protection and that about it I'm not promised any kind of specific power no okay what are you protected from any kind of harm that would come to me and who wishes you ill and who wishes to harm you I would say it would be protection from anyone that wishes me harm from other paths or even from other realms because even though Satan does have demons and knows them there are other demons that could hurt me and other people that would like I said that I've glass twist that has actually attempted to attack me that he has protected me from his scent dirty and to protect me from from spiritual talk or even physical attack and spiritual attack I have been physically attacked but that recently the vets Edition singing altogether okay what is the best-case scenario for you after death have you thought about that I have are you hoping for something in particular I'm hoping that I probably be reincarnated again okay you believe in reincarnation I do is that typical of spiritual Satanists it can be even if you're a new convert and you had been reincarnated before but you didn't know it when all is said and done and all of the reincarnation have taken place and that the end of the universe comes is there a happy ending for Satan I would say yeah does Satan acknowledge his creator my god or did he deny that he is created by God does not state that he was created by anyone else it sounds like he's God right is that the case he's one of them yes okay there's more than one God yes he told me that he is the head God and the God that most people believe in is one of them but they mistaken him is the main God he's actually his brother okay so that's what you believe and that's why you pledge your allegiance to Satan because he is the multi not just because he's powerful but because he earned my higher selves trust oh I had to explain that one okay it was an experience you had that gave you that assurance more than just words right yeah more than just words so you can freely acknowledge what you would like which is fine I would like people to acknowledge what I do but if they don't then that fine my problem is as if they when they go and attack my form of religion or say that it's linked with other ones which is fine but if it's linked with the atheistic side of things I kind of have a problem with that or even that it's evil without justification your worldview is largely misunderstood and it's just Compton with every sort of Hollywood Satanist stick image that they've seen exactly who is behind that Hollywood image of Satanism mislead people a lot of information has been altered and lost over the years and it's very hard to find dependable information to even research even thing isn't one to researcher unless you're like willing to trying to contact someone when even then it's like oh if you screw up something kind of come and it's gonna eat you okay is it dangerous like for example the big names of Satanism Aleister Crowley for example he was not a very happy man at the end of his life do you think that he was he misguided in his quest for spiritual Satanism or was he not a spiritual Satanist I see he tried to touch on that practice he did really messed things up it was mainly in the craft though Aleister Crowley and my contact knows him very well and how is he doing on the other side my nickname for him is the saddest man in the world yes it's not doing very well because yes Hollywood did get one thing right if you're messing with like magic and you don't know what you're doing something will go down wrong I don't use black magic as often as the others I only do it when I have to I do not use Mickey barge that is just asking for it I thoroughly believe that all the keyboards that are sold in the shopping area should all be burned is it true that all of the occult and end drugs and maybe even to a certain extent abuse of sex and alcohol are those all gateways potentially to that dangerous dark side of spiritual world well drugs and certain ones if you're truthful can be very helpful I'm a beginner apothecary and I do use primarily marijuana but it is in no way shape or form tampered with I use organic and crystals and most of the new-age step I don't do by myself it's usually in a group so you would say it's a mixed bag there's Ouija boards are bad crystals are good and cocaine's bad marijuana is good something like that yeah cocaine just no it's not good at all um six magic you have to be careful with and if you're doing it with the wrong person it can end really badly what about suicide how bad is suicide in your worldview in my worldview it's pretty much a one-way ticket to hell although there is that nuance teaching of my church that anyone can repent even at the very last moment of life but it's forbidden do you see it as a viable option if life becomes unbearable or do you see it as a gateway into some hellish reincarnation or their consequences that are bad and permanent how do you see suicide suicide is still bad but there's still a forgiving sin there and it also depends on what's going on there is actually a plane where SL can go if that does happen they can you stay there it depends on the state of death they can eventually leave there but if they can't see are taking here oh can you talk just a little bit from your spiritual Satanist perspective about the Catholic notions of heaven hell and purgatory they're only two final destinations purgatory you're on your way to heaven is just a very long and painful cleansing process good time we wouldn't really call it that it's a long walk there's actually more levels but in the purgatory place it's more like a transportation place it can be on you eight to either places there is still of course higher heaven like place is that where Satan resides he doesn't who or as I stir if anyone I don't know I haven't guy up there where is the realm do you think where Aleister Crowley and his type might be suffering though come and just like they are in an area where it is parallel to one of the parts of Dante's Inferno so he wound up there along with a few others do more people go down that up I want to see more people go down and up but if he is displeased with them and it has to be an agreement not just with him but all of the beings on what they did wrong there's kind of like a council not just Jim is Satan a happy-go-lucky light-hearted spirit or is he more almonesson serious or as they have moods or how do you see his interactions with you so he's level-headed and very patient he's stoic at times he's not going to smile very much but he does speak softly he does have it's insecure but it's kind of like more of a dry humor maybe Satan is British peevish what sort of language have you used to entice someone sort of like a sales pitch like let's say you're in an elevator you only have one minute to sort of tantalize someone or get someone's curiosity piqued about your particular worldview spiritual Satanism what are the sort of highlight of your sales pitch what would you say like hey do you like pleasure and power like that's the sort of typical image of Satanism but you you sort of coupon that so what would you say in a one-minute elevator pitch to someone you thought might be open I've never really thought about that to be honest he actually said you know think think about it about go telling people about this because I have been doing qualities and I've always been a quiet person but once I start talking I guess I could be interesting do you have people underneath you not yet because I didn't haven't found anyone yet if we look at Crowley as a sort of failure and a sort of a sad loser are there heroes that have succeeded on the path on the true path sort of Saints Satanic Saints can you name some you know really have Saints okay bit of an understatement probably what do you think of Mary does Satan talk about Mary the Mother of Christ no she's not a thorn in Satan's side actually no just another person that had lived that possibly was a person at one point in time that did have a prophet child but not as said doesn't really have a particle of beef with her when I converted in 2009 a lot of people were sort of flabbergasted and disappointed because it's not very well seen Catholicism especially because of all the controversy in the church and I believe that Satan is at work in the church and not in a good way I think that he's doing God's work but not on purpose I think that God allows him to do what he does ultimately he is doing God's will his permissive will and that's part of the punishment for Satan that's my perspective but I wanted to ask you do you have any questions or comments about my faith so I guess my first question would be why did you convert to Satanism in the first place why was I Satanist yeah I was the kind of thickness I think that you don't like the a theistic Satanists and so my form of Satanism was a very playful light-hearted theatrical Anton LaVey style of sadism what do you think of Anton LaVey stretch of Satan he definitely wanted to go off of reason yet also off of self-empowerment which is understandable because I can see an atheist point of view because it's only human to even not believe in spiritual supernatural like it's just like a fairy tale type of thing I can I can understand to a degree yet it's natural to be skeptical and to say well if I can't see it measure it tested or wrap my head around it then there's no point in putting my faith in it right that's a sort of natural human tendency if you haven't if you haven't come to the point of realizing that there is no alternative to the supernatural like that we actually logically must acknowledge the supernatural right is that just intuitive for you or did you study to come to that conclusion that the supernatural is part and parcel of our world I've been born with a sixth sense so it was a little hard for me to have that way of thinking because my dad was like that even though he was like Italian Catholic he eventually rejected that kind of thing but he still kind of was Christian so being that way you've never had a sense of you've never wondered about tech that you've bred like to doubt the veracity of the Bible the inerrancy of the Bible for example yeah yeah yeah yeah if it were not for the authority of the Catholic Church I would not believe the Bible so what you need to understand about my worldview is it's it's centered on a person Jesus Christ it's not centered on a dusty old book right it's a living person and the the Bride of Christ is a living person - that's the body of Christ now it's beyond words I remembers when I asked you earlier something about your your confidence in Satan you you weren't able to put it into words there are things in the supernatural that we can't adequately put into words very often and poetry will help with that so in my faith I have faith in God Almighty and I believe that God Almighty took on flesh and established a church which is inhabited by the Holy Spirit which is clear a person of the Holy Trinity so I believe that the church is infallible and when the church tells me that the Bible is inerrant I accept it without intellectually getting it in a direct cognizant way I'm just sort of floating I've thrown myself at God's mercy and I'm sort of floating and trusting in him and but I don't see with my with my face ize a lot of stuff and I don't experience a lot of mystical experiences I just trust and believe in God and I shrugged my shoulders with a lot of stuff that goes on in the world and in the church but I trust the church and I don't necessarily trust any human within the church like the Pope I love and respect him and I trust him to a certain extent but I don't completely trust him he's a man I trust that the office of Pope is protected from teaching err concerning faith and morals it's a very narrow form of infallibility but I believe and I trust in God and in God alone and in his church but the members of that church are like me they're fallible human beings so it's a very messy can can complicated affair it is what is your dream life like do you sleep well and do you have pleasant dreams or are they full of sex and violence or how would you describe it why'd you use can be pleasant and they can be uncertain which you prefer I prefer button lucid dreaming sometimes it can be out of my control especially if I have dream visions the spiritual realm can be some areas that can be dark and shadowy others it can be lighter but not like it is out here like it's in glowing light okay it's predominantly dark now I say so now I think I've asked you this before but I'm not satisfied with your answer so I'm going to ask you in a slightly different way what is the difference between the best case scenario that's possible and the worst case scenario it's possible for you as a being taking into consideration reincarnation from your point of view is there a big difference because when I talk to Hindus pretty much everyone ends up in heaven yes you do believe that what you're dying along that chain of being carnation you do go to heaven worst case scenario my belonging you could go into him or I could go lower if I choose I could go where Satanist he chooses not to be directly where heaven is but not in the lowest regions okay so Satan is mediocre okay he chooses to be in between where earth is and in between where the judgement areas are you talked about the best-case scenario sounds like sort of freedom to choose and where you're going to manifest but what would the worst case scenario be just briefly if at any point where I had done something for counterintuitive negative news I had used my powers wrongly and I'd had to be punished and uh I exhausted my reincarnation limit and I was killed here or died here and then went down there I probably have to go into one of the levels depending on the severity and that's permanent or that's just till you work out your karma or until I worked it out unless it broke one of the unforgivable laws an example would be if for some odd reason I had primarily use only a black magic and it was hurting my followers and I think he told me to stop and I did it okay I never asked you if you felt loved by Satan or if you know intellectually that you are loved and what is love for you I do feel that he loves me and left for me is pretty much wholly entirely on a spiritual physical level even demons can love and what is sin a sin a real thing for you or is it a fairy tale or misunderstanding or can you talk a little bit about sin from from the same mystic point of view and is a type of role breaking we do have video columns and but in different contexts like when I J walk on the street that's a sort of sin right that would be going against a code of conduct which is our betrayal which is based on a reason and self-fulfillment here walking talking look I see a victory I say it so you don't get run over because the principle is life you want to preserve your life good life is good yeah you agree yeah well we could make different rules how the cars move and where the people go right right so it's arbitrary in that sense is that we mean like if we drive on the left or the right it's not a big deal as long as everyone agrees right right so just to wrap up what would you say to anyone that's listening ah city only world view could be considered a great area but just especially right now things are going really hard I know I'm going I'm personally going through a hard time their strength and vulnerability and just stay strong in what your beliefs are are however you believe just believe that if you wake up tomorrow it's probably going to be a great day and it's a good start and just enjoy the moment yeah you like it will do if you can get some questions let me know tell

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