god is the creator of the cohesion that's right it's true um we're live i'm here with aiden mid-sentence what's going on pontificating about the joys of baking they didn't hear any of that right no no no okay all right we're starting fresh we're starting fresh so how are you doing i thought the monkey joke was a little bit i was like oh not safe for work material right here doing good dude doing good we're on the cusp of change in our household um in a good way um yeah yeah i've been thinking about what i want to do transitioning out of um nursing in the hospital that i'm nursing and uh getting another nursing gig and so we're trying to move up a little bit more north but still stay south okay so so we're thinking in south carolina and i um have a job interview at this uh hospice center called agape and i'm like ooh that's that sounds up your alley vaguely catholic yeah um well with a word like agape and thrown in there yeah um so hopefully we'll be uh packing everything up and we'll be going up north oh man what a pain no man it'll be great it's gonna be beachside still so we're still we'll be we'll be uh in the charleston area nowhere wow that's a disgusting place full of rich people is it yeah there's like reality tv about that place i mean just be careful don't go to those parties don't go to those parties i've seen them on tv it's so funny everybody was telling us that about florida too um they're um one of my friends mike um my todd shout out buddy um he's just like uh you know threw out a bunch of warnings about florida's like florida's a really evil place i'm like actually florida was the most welcoming like uh mild uh jesus filled environment you could possibly be in and um like i don't know about where you're from but like do you guys um have like open anti-abortion like billboards and billboards about jesus yeah okay so like that like flood like fills the streets here so it's a pretty pretty cool place to i like that yeah i thought you might i thought you might yeah edgy edgy stuff but you know what though that the thing is is that it exists because it's not edgy down here it's just another um you know it's just another group of people that are just talking to themselves basically so otherwise otherwise it wouldn't exist because if if they had to fight everybody submits to cowardice and really myself like at the top of the list there um but you know i mean maybe that's just like the so they're preaching to the choir there yeah i mean um isn't that kind of how it always is a lot of the time yeah a lot of the time i mean like it's funny though because rachel and i we were on the beach today and this gentleman came up and started talking to us and uh everybody just thinks because we we are like crusty hippies and we look like crusty hippies they just automatically assume that we're like very democratic and liberal yeah and so they talk in this very presumptuous way and um and then we're always this they're like oh okay all right yeah yeah don't agree with that but okay and you know and it gives us this impression that that liberals expect everybody else to be liberal but we don't know if that's the case or if we're just very um like millennial looking i don't know i don't know what it are you a millennial yeah i am okay i think i am they're supposed to be the worst uh generation no offense well yeah i mean every generation is the worst generation because uh isn't jet what are we up to now gen z or j jenny are we really yeah it's looping back it's funny anyway i'm getting all this from the zoomers the zoomers say that the zoomers are the best that's what they say what's a zoomer they're [Music] should i look up the ages is it worth looking up the age ranges um yeah yeah i think so let's look up the age ranges this is a zoomer a baby boomer or no no no no no no no zoomers like in between a millennial and an alpha or a gen a it's in between there i have no idea what any of those things are i'm gen x yep the generation that wanted to befriend its children so everything anyways no i mean in like the worst way possible so here's here's how i see it so the baby boomers um baby boomers treated their um kids like garbage the gen x kids the gen x kids then over corrected by oh i want to be little michael's friend here's her trophy [Music] you know uh millennials and so on and so forth and so we just keep getting more and more issues by uh we're getting more neurotic and psychotic baby boomers were born between 46 and 64. okay gen x between 65 and 80. 10. i was born at 70. so i'm right in the middle of genex gen y or millennials were between 81 and 95 roughly okay when were you born 90. okay yeah you're firmly in the the gen y millennial thing but there are two kinds of gen y there's y point one y point two so um too much tim it's too much information okay gen z gen zed is born between 97 and 2012 if that's even possible and then those are the zoomers so they would be between nine and 24 years old and why do they think that we're the worst no no they think they're the best and that uh you know the millennials are yeah the millennials are the worst i don't know i don't know why um probably just sibling rivalry or something i don't know gotcha gen a is generation alpha it starts with children born in 2012. wow and it's going to go to 2025. i mean who who belong believes all this nonsense i don't know it's just another tool to use for divisiveness i suppose it's just uh it's once put people into camps one step up from astrology yeah i suppose so wasn't outlawed by the church though well i guess astrology is astrology dude did you know that um they're like some traditional factions of catholicism that um like back in the day used like astrology and they like believed in like reading things through the stars yeah yes i mean i just talked to a guy who's an unorthodox orthodox and he believes in that stuff yeah always wonderful and he believes in reincarnation too yeah that upset kieran karen was upset did it yeah curious should be upset because i mean there's plenty of of um work by the church fathers that says that reincarnation is not the truth it's incompatible with the faith it's incompatible with the faith yeah absolutely this guy had some strange ideas no no offense intended no but uh some strange ideas but i always let people know i don't always let people know when i disagree with them like i just interviewed a controversial controversial guest and i got some feedback about it mixed feedback i didn't you know i didn't go out of my way to make the guest feel awkward or to press the issues that we disagree about like for example kovid like we talked a little bit before going live and it was it was obvious uh we have different opinions but a lot of stuff a lot of stuff you know uh i don't always press press try to press people's buttons for no good reason but like if someone's like hey do you want to discuss this belief of mine and you know i'll never pretend like i agree like i'm like okay we're gonna talk about this okay so here's what i think and sorry if it hurts your feelings but this is my catholic belief you know what i mean but uh i like i like doing little mini battles like that as long as everyone knows they're getting into it but i wouldn't just be like hey so-and-so told me that you believe in this that's stupid i think you should do that i think it's an excellent approach i gotta work on my napoleon dynamite accent a bit but i pretty much i'm getting there i uh i've started watching i don't know why but i watch a lot of your stuff when i'm exercising so thank you david gets you up it does get me pumped no it's actually really nice to just to have something to listen to while you're while you're doing something you know something good for yourself but um what were you listening uh rebecca davis was the last one she was really cool she had a really cool attitude i didn't watch all of her stuff and because i i like it was towards the end of the workout that i started it and um i'm gonna be on her podcast uh next week oh that's cool man i'll have to i'll have to watch that um i i've briefly tried to like look her stuff up afterwards just to see and i could only find like a couple of oh gotcha it's not under her name um and i wanted to i just got the part where she's like yeah i don't really believe in hell and i'm like oh i really wanna i'm like gotta gotta open my ears for this one um but i didn't i didn't get i didn't i had to like stop it because i was just timing out and i'm like okay i'm all done here so i'll have to come back and visit this but she's so nice and um oh my god she's beautiful too and just really like yeah really cool and then it's just like all of a sudden just like antitypical to the gospel and then i'm just like wait i she supports so-called gay marriage too she does yeah gotcha gotcha man she's um well she also i i saw one of your car not one of your comments i saw a comment in the comment section that was just like you you think allah is the same as um as as uh our god basically yeah i could hear the anger in the person's like tapping the keys and i'm just like this must been a really good interview if you can you know upset that many people there wasn't that much there wasn't that much talk of islam although she did sort of travel and work with muslims and she she used to be a hard liner like whatever denomination she was uh like yeah this is what we have to believe and this and that and not very ecumenical but then her travels softened her and she started to think okay well different uh i mean i'll let her speak for herself you should definitely listen you should definitely listen to the whole thing because yeah she's a very interesting lady and uh just so personable and bright it was nice that you also had a lady on i know it's like a dude fest all day i don't know i know i'm just like dying to talk to women man it's like oh my god it's a woman it's like so amazing [Laughter] it's like such a rarity you know it's just like you have like just like these guys today you know the irony is i was talking to my little friend sid sid he's the little guy um cute little guy you can watch it i i interviewed him yesterday he's the second time i've interviewed him but we're at the end of his interview and i've got lena coming on and i don't have no idea who lena is but lena knows rebecca and i'm thinking okay and lena was very harsh with me in the comments saying oh i won't even stoop to debunk your stupid young earth creationism your anti-science whatever and a bit harsh like that and i'm like well hey let's talk about it you know so lena booked an interview but lena came on the live chat and i'm talking to sid and i always joke around with sid because he's a young guy he's very silly and he puts up with my stupid jokes and stuff like that and uh i'm like oh sorry sid i started interrupt but i just got in the live chat i got lena and i'm gonna interview lina after you so uh hey this is cool whatever and i'm like i said to sid i said lina's a girl's name right that's a girl's name right he's like yeah but he said in today's world you never hear no no you don't know i don't know even if it's a girl's name you don't know and i'm like oh let's not get into that come on don't spoil my buzz like i want to interview a woman you know and then lena in the chat's like i live in california and i'm like wow california girl like i'm getting all excited right and uh turns out turns out yeah did you see it no i didn't okay well there's that's the punches that's the punchline to be determined yeah nice guy really nice guy though really nice which one lena yeah lina okay yeah is a dude just a pretty shot anyway he's a nice guy i like him nice warm guy but anyway i don't want to get too deep into it but all i'm saying is all i'm saying is i and i got a lot of reaction from the from my listeners because you know some conservative christians and all that so gotcha awesome all right so i have to check out i got some negative feedback so one of my longtime friends and listeners was uh basically condemning me to hell that i'm a satanist and an anarchist because i didn't roast this this lena person in the in my interview like i was just very friendly a little bit flirty like i mean it's like you know you have to be everything to them david uh mother brother secret lover um anyway anyway whatever i mean it's just it's interesting it's my my whole point is here is that you know it'd be nice to have more women on the show and i really really love women i love their vibe i love their mystery i love their hair i love everything like you can tell by your own hair i like how they dress uh nihola nihola think knows about your love of women's hair as well who is that yeah nicola i i didn't know if the nicola he's always uh yeah he's always busting your child about your long flowy hair show me your hair it grows yeah and i'm all i'm all for it man i'm all yeah because you embrace your your feminine side but he's scared he's like i'm like gay because i find that david's hair sexy yeah well i'm always battling the uh it's always at work so you're gay right i'm like people you've worked for for 10 years and like you're still gay right you're still gay yeah no it's either um [Applause] yeah dude it's like but they're not afraid to ask me are you gpng what's gpng gay pretending not to be gay gay pretending not to be gay uh no no no i'm not my wife is not my beard i am but it's so funny though because i always have that like i have that soft look right so at work um i'm either uh like patients with dementia or violent patients in general like look at me they size me up and they're just like this guy's a weakling and they're just some men that you look at you're like i won't mess with this man i'm one of those men that either you mess with because you know that i'm in i'm inherently weak too too pretty or something i don't know to be able to defend myself which is true and um do those yoga moves i'm gay you do the sun salutation boom boom possess instant power instant strength so uh joe joe isn't sorry threw up but i got an urgent message from my sponsor joe in the comment section you know joe right little bold jewish guy anyway he's my friend okay he asked did you think lena was pretty and that was yeah he's asking you obviously because i've never seen obviously yeah can i just say yes yeah i'm just going to wait and say i said yes i said yes okay i showed i showed my wife i'm like this guy's cute and uh she's like i love your completely ejected objective ability because you you you uh to to to see the the the good looks you always you always tell karen and i that we're nice looking people and so it's always like it's just polite though i don't believe it i think i feel it i feel it uh right in the pit of your soul i i i fee when you say it i know you i know you're believing your words so yeah yeah it depends on the hair if you're having a good hair if you're having a good hair day or whatever right today today i'm wearing my spectacles today it's just a phase seven seven seven is good no dude seven to six seven i'm a six seven is good if i had my glasses if i had my contacts in uh the you got to keep the beard the beard is essential for you it's essential i can't remember what kieran's facial hair situation is uh he's like got like a goatee that grows outward but he doesn't he doesn't have sideburns so and me i don't have anything here so between the two of us we might have a full beard one day so uh yeah i love rating the beauty of men and women dogs goldfish like i mean it's just like anything else it's like show me two apples two tomatoes whatever it's like i love evaluating beauty i just love it and you know squeeze the tomato like oh my god this one's like perfect you know what i mean weird definitely no but you know it's so funny though because like a lot of people are attracted to catholicism because of beauty and i was never attracted to catholicism because of beauty i was actually attracted to it because of silence and reverence and i didn't realize that that was like those were those were traits included in in beauty but um a lot of people like you know see the see a landscape they're immediately um then brought into the sovereignty of god and they're like wow god is you know god is omnipotent god is is great god is good and me i'm just like oh son you know i'm just kind of i don't know i'm kind of stupid when it comes to that stuff but in the past couple years i've been praying for joy in the simple things and now when rachel and i go for walks it's half a joke but also half true um i'll hear a bird whistling or i'll see a flower and i'll go [Laughter] and run up to it gately you know which is again you know half a joke but also it's like pure mdama that you're consuming before these walks or mushrooms magic mushrooms acid what is it basically yeah it's the joy the joy of the lord and uh plus it makes rachel laugh so but i do like you know i do like um individual flowers whatever that's is you know moderately beautiful whatever i prefer the smell of a flower but when it comes to like oh look at this beach look at this mountain whatever it's like i can get a thrill for maybe half a second and it's just like i'm over it i'm over the beauty of nature in the landscape i'm just not that impressed sorry just not that impressed i'm more impressed by uh animals like humans and other animals so just like that's that's more exciting for me uh who was it um um catholic philosopher peter kreeft spoke about people that are interested um he had a book about about angels and i read this book when i was like 10. and um he said that uh statistically he noticed that people that are interested in creatures also have like this this this interest in um in angels as well so people that are fascinated by animals here on earth also have that that that angelic fascination do you do you have that yeah i mean uh yeah for sure but it's not it's not i i don't have the deep appreciation like um i do for humans like i mean i you know it's more much more intellectual with the angels than it is with the humans like i mean uh i i just have a more direct relatability to humans than i do to angels and it's more abstract and a bit colder and more disconnected with the angels but i do think about my guardian angel i try to you know pray to him i pray to it or i guess we could say him because relative no no no no you can assign the gender because from what i understand it's typically more male or more female traits i think i think they're named with male names right michael yeah all the ones that we know officially but some i have a um i have a book from joan joan cruz called angels and demons and she talks about people seeing their angels as male or female and i think women tend to see theirs as female more often and men tend to see theirs as male 1 um which like you know i kind of i think there's some kind of there's some credence to that you know um uh i don't know why but more comfortable more comfortable guys i'm more comfortable with guys like uh no i'm not saying like uh in real life but with if i would want my angel to be well probably because all the disgusting masturbation i've done i would probably want it to be a guy right i wouldn't want a woman watching that and what are you doing so uh do you reward your angel do you like offer specific prayers for him to go off and do things as a distraction no i mean like yeah i i always think about that i'm like oh man he saw the worst like all of like everything in detail and so sometimes i'm like okay like like you can take the precious blood um like if you went to mass that day i specifically picked the altar that's closest to me because i just really love my home priest and really just like the idea of like the local parish and so you know if i'm feeling particularly um not guilty but if i feel like oh um my guardian angel really put up with a lot today i'll say oh you know what father you know allow my guardian to uh i call him my big brother because that's essentially what he is let my big brother take the precious blood to somebody that he wants to take it to today as reward for his um you know fidelity to to youth through me yeah and i'm like i think that's a pretty cool thing because you know how often do you get to like play a part in the joy of your angel most of the time it's like sitting on a toilet you know and he's just there like you know it's just there like oh the patience of these angels man it's the patience of god it's the patience of god but we're gonna enjoy all the stuff even all the nasty stuff we're gonna enjoy it once we're in heaven understanding how it serves god's purpose and all that right so that's that's a real uh you know we're gonna have a different perspective on all the nasty stuff even war rape everything we're gonna see from god's perspective and how he allowed it because it's for the greater good to allow it and uh yes it's uh obviously regrettable that it happened but uh god in his wisdom allows it to happen obviously so um but i want to tell a little anecdote what happened today at church as you were speaking i was listening but i was also processing in the back of my head i got to tell my story i got to tell my story i got to tell my don't forget to tell your story don't forget the funny story so um the funny story is there's a woman okay so a bit of background we're at church and the organs playing and it's like beautiful like freaky psychedelic like it usually is with this guy's amazing right and uh i think it's messy ends or something like that the the composer it's just really wild music and uh anyway i just noticed today like it sounds even more psychedelic there's just like this sort of humming and i thought like what's going on like it says organ not tuned or something flapping like sounds like paper flapping or something anyway when uh when the uh this lady got up to sort of enter the catholic communion for the first time because she's raised baptized anglican uh the priest asked her up and you know he had told us beforehand this is going to happen but then at the end of the mass she came up and she had her little creed that she's going to read the creed like the full length whatever the proper apostles creed is called or whatever and uh the microphone sadly uh was giving that same papery effect like it sounded like you could barely hear what she's saying like on like on peanuts with that that when the parents are on the phone with the adults talk huh yeah exactly yeah but it kind of sounded funny like squeaky and whatever and so i was embarrassed i was laughing i was trying not to laugh like i mean practically in the front row and a row at church i'm trying not to laugh it's like embarrassing no one can hear it someone walked got up from the pew walked all the way to the front and it's like to the priest like no no no no we can't hear we can't hear anything so it was a bit of a disaster and i felt bad i felt bad for this this young lady she's probably 30 35 and uh anyway i waited out front in front of the church like a stalker and she came out with her husband and whoever the other guy it was and i'm like hey you're anglophone right because i could tell by a french accent she's anglophone so i just thank god i can speak english and so um i said hey congratulations like what were you reading because we couldn't hear it and i said uh she's like oh yeah i'm so sorry and whatever it's not your fault and i said and you but you're uh what did i say your donald duck impression is on point because it sounded like donald trump what she was saying this is a woman i just met that had this monumental occasion at church and i'm like oh but you're dumb so she was laughing but um the inviter on the show i did invite her on the show and she's like i'm a very private person but thank you for the offer and it's like i just felt like oh come on man don't don't be a dweeb like come on anyway that's what i thought that's what i thought but i was you know as awesome you know i'm a little bit kooky right so when i cornered her outside and at first she's like oh thank you yeah and we joked around a little bit and then i started ranting and raving about the catholic church and the anglican church and the reading and like oh you know the history of the church and i talked about the church militant church suffering church triumph it just went on and on and on her eyes are glazing over and she's her husband's patiently standing there waiting and i i guess i realized a little bit too late that i'm just like rambling but i thought okay this is a new convert to the face she's gonna be on fire she's gonna be excited whatever but she's basically just like uh i did this so that i could be the godmother to my uh whatever you know so it's basically just it's basically just like okay you could be the godmother but you're gonna have to get uh you know enter full communion with the catholic church that's the rule okay so i'll do it and she's like yeah the church is important because good sense of community and all it's just like oh come on come on i don't do i want to hear a sense of community come on you're joining the catholic church for the sense of community really i know there's so many there's so many better communities to join like there's so many better ones out there i don't want to disparage this woman's character i may you know i may be having fun with it exaggerating a little bit here but it's just storytelling but i love her i wish her well i hope she's on fire for the faith and she just thought who's this freak it's not his business right well you know and and it's also the best place for her to accidentally end up and catch fire so like so like who knows man maybe she'll just be sitting there one day and she'll like suddenly get gobsmacked by something that like really didn't ever penetrate before at her anglican church and she'll be like whoa this is the truth yeah but she never even attended anglican church that's the thing like she well from what i understand from what i understand she's just sort of like loosely christian i don't i don't want to judge her but i got the impression i got the impression like either i'm way too much and she's just normal or like uh she is actually kind of lukewarm but i don't know i don't want to judge i don't want to judge her especially since i told her about my podcast she's probably listening to this right now going yes that's exactly what she did she thought that that awkward encounter was so awesome that she went home she youtubed you said cbs podcast sift through all the cbs drugstore uh nonsense to find this one live stream and now she is she is in attendance and she's just like how do i get into the live chat to tell this douche that he needs to rethink how i feel you know i i single-handedly gave her the gift of tears that's pretty good that's right listen you know uh when it comes to uh someone entering the catholic church as an adult i want enthusiasm i want you to be pumped up like this is it man i'm in i'm in wow it's god's church like how that how did i get in you know that's how i felt and uh if you if you haven't listened to my interview with pine sap he's like 21 years old pine sap is that a new one it's a new one bald yeah short hair military haircut whatever sweetheart sweet heart and a gentle kind soul polite guy he lives in some red state um he's uh he's on fire like he's on fire for the i love to see it he's that's awesome voracious reader he knows he's digging deep into vatican too he loves vatican too he loves pope francis i'm like what is happening in my world we've got so cool young catholics who are hardcore and they love tradition and they love the living magisterium the pope and the vatican too what is happening this is like a dream come true i've been dying i've been waiting ten years to have this combination of tradition and living magisterium it just it's it's like a miracle i'm so excited and he's excited that's what's even more that's i feel like i gotta jump myself up david yeah no i well my prayer of like my personal prayer approach lately has been uh taking a turn for something better um i would say because um you know rachel and i don't have children so like a couple months ago i was thinking like really thinking about it i'm like well if you just go to work and you come home you like hang out with your wife and you do your thing like why are you not more devoted like why aren't you more devoted to your prayers why aren't you um why aren't you being a better husband why aren't you like because i always thought like yeah when i'm old i'll go to daily mass and it's just like why why don't you do that now type of thing and um daily mass isn't really in the cards for me but practicing mental prayer um reading the daily scriptures reading the desert fathers trying to practice some kind of ascetic discipline with a little bit more rigidity a little bit more focus um inter you know intercessory prayer for others like doing these things consistently and not just like you know my haphazard rosary or two a day that's like you pray whenever type of thing and then i was like oh we're good we're covered i just you know pop this thing out and um so for the past couple months i've been fine-tuning and kind of um structuring um a prayer a prayer regimen for myself um that as um you know uh originally it was i started making it because i wanted to know about um about contemplation like infused contemplation and um and all the sources say well you can't get to infused contemplation unless you um are prepared like preparing yourself for you can never gain it yourself but you can always ready yourself for it and then um i didn't realize it but i've been reading a lot of stuff on spiritual warfare and the demonic i've been reading father of morth um his one an exorcist explains the demonic not that one i mean i have that one but uh um an exorcist shares this story i think it is and um i'm like oh what what is this and the more that i'm like diving into this prayer rule i've been developing for myself the more i see like this piece that all human beings are craving and they're searching for in yoga they're searching for it in eastern philosophy they're searching for it in eastern meditative practices it's actually found in full and developing um uh a prayer practices in accordance with the church but also the other the flip side of that the other side of the coin is having a very real having a very real sense of spiritual warfare and engaging in that and it seems very very strange because when we think of like peace when we think of like um happiness like when you do think of like like the buddhist like greens and like chill ah trickling water breathe in breathe out kind of stuff and so you're like yeah that's peace and not um like when you read you know uh the spiritual combat um it's like oh yeah all of life is a war and you're going to be waiting waging that war till the day that you die you you see those two things and you think i'll take the green grass running water and not the the warfare bit and um it's funny because the warfare is where the peace actually is and the other one is where the dangers where the dangers are and so it's been really cool um even just like getting my toes wet in like the catholic theology um that looks unappealing from the outside but yeah very cool very cool insight very cool insight and i believe it 100 i believe it because you know uh satan wants us to be asleep love no no no no go back to sleep don't worry about that war no the other people are taking care of it the big people are taking care of it don't go back to sleep okay so that's satan's role basically uh with the green grass and the running water not to demonize these practitioners of these religions but um you know satan wants us asleep or drunk or intoxicated with you know romantic love or whatever it is whatever is sedating us and keeping us down and so uh jesus says to be sober to be awake and [Music] i come not to bring peace but a sword right but when you hear that like you're like ah what's the other thing again about being asleep you know like sleep feels so much better than picking up your sword every day and then like you know especially when your sword is not looking at beautiful women or um not being a coward in the face of some kind of issue that like you have to speak up about or being obedient to your supervisor or not um not being angry and catty at a person that's um really really mean you know like it's like oh man why is that spiritual warfare why can't it be like why can't it be just like physical training but um or a chess match or something or a chat no i can't do that i'm not that good but but the more dude and the more that i keep reading and god there's no way around this you do have to have a strategy for um for the whole process like you can't just go into it saying like i'm just gonna pray and i'm just gonna do this and everything will take care of itself i mean we can step into the arena that way but like it's re you know what i mean like that's okay god will take any effort that you give him and he'll reward it and slowly peer us off to where we need to be but i'm getting to this point where i'm like okay i have these specific areas of deficiency and i need to pick um the worst one and head that off now and beat that one by degrees and then i need to get to the second one and that one you know what i mean like there is like that that's the best way to do it when my wife and i watch crossfit and we watch those competitions they're not just training arbitrarily and like you know beating at the air they're doing specific regimented actions so that they have strength in all of these different fields and to expect not to have to do that in the spiritual life would be naive for sure for sure we watched anna and i watched uh william shatner show about it's called the unexplained and this episode was about uh extreme sports in particular running long distance ultra american culture running ultra running yeah ultra fascinating it was fascinating um it's such a pure sport like running it's just i feel like i feel pain in my lower back just thinking about running because i used to run five miles a day like very casually when i was in my early 20s and even then my back would be like oh it's getting like just compressed it's just not i just don't have a healthy backbone my sister died because of uh spina bifida so it's like maybe something in my in my genetics about bad posture and bad weak backbone all that sort of thing but um uh uh uh i just had i thought okay that was one thought but there's another thought that i had anyway the extreme sports thing is pretty cool with the discipline and all that uh but there's this other idea i want to bounce off you which is that i just sort of had an insight about cooperation i always talk about from my ivory tower oh we have to cooperate with god's grace and this and that it's true it's true but i just realized how to do it which is like more concrete and i have to thank satan for this because he showed me what it means to cooperate with god by showing me how i cooperate with him with satan so it's a very good uh epiphany i had it's like why in the past two years why have i been sliding into you know bad habits you know looking at stuff i shouldn't be looking at stuff like that um and i thought okay well it's because i'm no longer having custody of my eyes like i'm indulging when i see some chicks cleavage i just look and i shouldn't be doing that because that's like feeding the demons and then i'm ready for the next stage so i realized like there's this whole thing about like a little cheating here a little cheating there or if it's with you know self-indulgence with food or laziness or whatever um i see now i can see you know first of all why you avoid the near occasion of sin but i can now see the that idea of the head of the serpent you let the head of the serpent and the rest of the body can easily slide in and follow in and i i see i'm starting to see now by the grace of god and with confession and stuff like that that this weakness that i've been experiencing over the past two years since covid has given me more insight into how to cooperate with evil and i suddenly realize that that applies for the good side too like right what is it to cooperate with god's grace well you get you get given a little opportunity right and you think oh that's not much right just like with the sin you think well this is not a big sin this is not even a sin this is just sort of uh delectation it's just sort of like it's just a little something and you know in the back of your mind like well it could lead to more but i won't go there of course i won't go there right um so it's the same thing when cooperating with god's graces it's just that little it's just a little tiny grace like i mean there's nothing to get excited about but if you take the opportunity that's there and then there's oh wait there's like a slightly bigger opportunity and a slightly bigger one and then before you know it it's like big graces right so this is an insight i had maybe it's um embarrassing that i hadn't realized this sooner the sort of parallel between obeying satan little by little by little and then before you know it you're in mortal sin and then on the other side with god just say yes to the little graces and they'll get bigger and bigger and bigger and then before you know it you're having a transformation in your prayer life and in your ability to focus have clarity have peace have joy all these things the gifts of the holy spirit yeah that sounds right to me um like it's kind of like having a room with a bunch of doors in it and like a bunch of doors are opened and water is spilling into the room and filling it up and most of the time that's just sin it's just like all the the worldly things that we really like to engage in and um it's really easy if you keep those doors open then you're just gonna have all this sin pouring in but if you start closing those doors off by practicing the virtues by practicing prayer by by frequenting the sacraments those doors shut and then what can you do you start opening windows you know like you probably do a lot of religious reading and i do i do as well i do a lot of like reading like in a leisurely fashion but i'm also on my phone all the time too they're like just kind of like doing whatever i want on my phone and so i'm like okay well if i close the door of my phone and i just decided to pick up my book a little bit more that like is explicitly catholic whether or not the book is incredibly spiritually edifying warning warning explicit catholic material warning yeah you know like just any kind of like like right now i'm reading like like the father of moore's book it's just so it's just so catholic you know there's just no there's just no denying it but if you're constantly filling your mind um or you're filling this room you know with something of the faith um and you're like closing it off to the things of the world before you know it the room is is being completely filled with all of these good healthy things that we actually you know actually need need for ourselves and so that kind of that i see what you're saying about letting a little bit of grace pour in because then a little bit more pours in and a little bit more and a little bit more and before you know it you're flooded by it hopefully well this is what they say uh you know these people that are into the whole uh you know new science the new physics oh so exciting right in the early 20th century whatever and all the books that were written popularizing the new physics and wow uh but they taught one idea that i carry with me from that reading that garbage is that it's not all garbage but it's a lot of philosophical blather but um one of the things i carry with me is that idea of everything is traveling at the speed of light whether it's true or not isn't my point but the idea that there's uh uh two axes there are two axes uh and it's between space and time and so it's a proportion some percentage is travel through space and some percentages travel through time this is the relativity theory the general relativity theory i think or special i can't remember um of einstein so it's basically the the conclusion is everything's traveling at the speed of light is just different proportion of space or time because there's space time right this is what einstein believed this was his model and i think a lot of it's garbage but whatever uh so applied to the spiritual world i like to think of that same uh two axis system where it's like good and evil right even though evil has no substance but it's like good in the lack of good whatever and so what you're saying about like hey let's replace some of our calendar blocks or at least time blocks of certain days let's just replace some of those moments or small time blocks just swap some of the bad ones out or the mediocre ones or the even the neutral ones out swap the neutral ones out for uh catholic like you said 100 guaranteed explicit catholic content right and what can go wrong i mean nerd alert is what i said because it is it's just so lame but you know and making i actually made an excel graph back when i was on fire for my faith two years ago uh an excel spreadsheet was just like 15 minute blocks of every waking moment of every day like okay and now i'm doing spiritual reading now i'm doing my prayers now i'm at daily mass now i'm doing this and uh it was unmanageable just to like it's just like my whole life is just spent updating this freaking database it's just like forget it you know whatever and then my whole life went to hell because it's just like a lukewarm loser but did it catch the database i should have kept the database yeah that would have felt good living by that well it's funny that you did that though because that's basically just the prayer rule of a monk you know their whole their whole day is um like regimented into these different sections where they try like this time is dedicated to matins and this time is dedicated to mass and this time is for your personal reading and this time is for a nap and this time is for a communal meal and this time is for like just you know like leisure and this time and and i'm like oh that's really that's really cool because then their whole day becomes this this opportunity to produce um you know or to receive the gift of contemplation and uh and i'm like actually every person in like the married state can like can operate you know in a similar in a similar manner and it's uh but you know then you take it you try to do it you're like this sucks this sucks a lot because like if you want to wake up or i don't know if you wake up a little bit earlier to say your prayers but i wake up a little bit earlier to say my prayers and like every time i'm like i want coffee and i want food and i want youtube all before i start saying my prayers that's that's what i want and so because i'm willing to wake up a little bit earlier for my prayers i'm like alright give yourself the coffee the food on the youtube and then and then say your prayers and um it's good but it's so pathetic dude because i'm just like feed senses you know and and then it's like and then god you know um just do it for god you know like like your favorite little flower there just do it for god and that's right i have to i have to say uh i may have embarrassed myself because bread of life is in the live chat that's rebecca oh cool so uh she says hi guys she says you're so hard on yourself because she she thinks that we catholics you know were dwelling on sin and if you watch her entire interview she has a pretty cool saying she says i don't have time for thinking about how sinful i am because i'm so damn holy she didn't say damn but she said because i'm so holy i don't have time to dwell on my sinfulness because i'm just too busy being holy do you know the story of the two monks the two desert monks right they both commit the same sin of fornication right so they go off to their um to their superior and the superior says to them okay so your punishment you're both gonna go off into yourselves for a full year i'm gonna give you bread and water to last you for a full year and you're both gonna um you're both gonna uh commit yourselves to acts of pen um penance and so a year goes by and the one comes out and he is beaming like a sunshine and like he's just look at this guy and the other guy is like just emaciated and thin and tears coming down his face and just like uh so they both go up to their to the superior and he said how'd you guys fare and the one says to him ah i spent my whole year praising god for forgiving me for my sins and i feel great and the other dudes just like i spent the whole year fasting and beating my breasts and lamenting and mourning my sins and the superior said both of what you did was acceptable in the eyes of the lord and so that gave us the option right so bread of life what up you're looking at the the stupider yeah self-congratulation always me yeah oh such a sinner i'm a bigger sinner than you aiden yeah you are oh yeah that's agreed yeah if you want to outdo each other in humility you win buddy i don't care i don't like like i can't i can't even pretend to be humble wow that's like 5d chess like oh i'm not even going to compete against you because you got me beaten already yeah dude i've heard davidson's everybody they're gross [Applause] it's true it's true it's not dude it's just so i just love the idea of like somebody going up to like a priest like father i did such and such and instead of being like warm and welcoming he's like oh you did this you're going to hell get out of here just go if he does it with the napoleon dynamite voice like exactly that's gross oh he's not a valley girl though but ridiculous no but i mean it is it is you know it i have to admit uh bread of like well not bread of life but rebecca did kind of gently show me an example like how to be christian like i don't have to be self-obsessed with what a loser i am you know what i mean it's refreshing it's very refreshing and uh i mean you you you seem balanced aiden to me balanced but a little bit like me just a little bit self-critical like me you know what i mean okay sure yeah um yeah dude um people tell me i'm happy at work all the time like how are you so happy and i'm like what are you talking about like i don't i don't know you know but that's all i've been praying for really is just like if i'm not like i don't feel good but i want other people to feel good when they're they're around me so it's like i i don't know if i'm doing something right or not but i can read you well read your memoirs it'll be like uh saint teresa of calcutta it's like god abandoned me and i was like you know she she was there like with the beautiful smile and i love her wrinkles and everything and and but she was suffering on the inside because she felt abandoned she felt you know um so rebecca says she's always doing this to me it's like just keeps doing this to me she says you guys are shining in righteousness many don't care if they are sinful but the fact that your sin disturbs you shows your righteousness so she'll always do this she'll always take my frown and turn it upside down and she'll just say hey like you know maybe you don't need to be dwelling on that whatever it's just it's very simple it's very uh it's very positive and i take it i take it seriously as a divine providence you know when you meet uh people that have a refreshing perspective she really does exercise her vocation as a mother it seems because that's such a that's such a um comforting thing but it's such a comforting thing and my grandmother was like that i'm gonna i'm gonna expose my uncle mark for a second because he loves this story um but when he was battling an addiction with alcohol years ago he got drunk and he crashed his car into a telephone pole and then he went to like later on he he drove to my grandmother's house because you know everybody would just congregate there to get tea and biscuits and she's like she came out to the door to greet him and um she's like oh mark what happened to your car and he like looks back oh yeah i got drunk and wrapped it around a pole and she's like oh come on in fatigue and just very like but not like a sweep under the rug kind of attitude just kind of like huh well let's feed you and there's just this kind of busy breezy effortless unwillingness to look at the faults of others and just saying okay come come come come to me let me let me let's take care of you and yep yeah a total realist acknowledgement of like yes this happened and yes we're here and this is what this is how we're going to move on like i mean we're she's in the moment yep and she's like this is what we're gonna do and it's not to condone anything or to pretend it never happened or whatever right because like i'm from i'm from ontario canada where there there's a little bit of a repressive vibe like hey let's not talk about that and you're shirley's coming over and we don't want to talk about that thing and you know what i mean it's just disgusting and not to disparage anyone's character but it's just sort of like a it's a cultural thing right it's uh it's part of the reason i moved to quebec quebec is a catholic culture everyone's more just like italian like hey vinnie why are you such a bonehead or whatever you know i mean that catholic right the catholic way right right so it's more uh it's one hundo p catholic yeah let it hang out and it's like yeah we're sinners whatever you know past the potato chips whatever it's just like more casual and less uptight like buttoned up christian thing right right so uh rebecca has sort of like the best of both worlds because she's like cool and like you know like zen and like in touch with their christian faith but not uptight and you know i'm not saying rebecca is perfect but there you know there's something to be uh to be learned from her example i think um yeah my buddy would always joke at the yoga studio um because this is the cliche thing to say it's all about balance you know it's just it's all about balance which is just the cheesiest thing but it really there really is something about developing a flow and a balance with everything um it's true that's uh that makes something that makes something appealing um being i guess i was always taught to be harsh to yourself and then um easy on others around you and that always seemed to be a very catholic way of being where you made sure you know that log was pulled out of your eye and you didn't go looking you know for specs and other in other people's you just you know um acknowledge your own unrighteousness and then try to love everybody else around you regardless of circumstances 100 i mean this is hard it's it's intuitive for me even though you know as everyone who knows my podcast knows i'm very selfish self-centered whatever but but part of that part of that the good side of that the silver lining for that is that all the all the tendency that a lot of rad trads have to stick their nose in someone else's business and say those people are evil i don't have that i just don't have that it's like i'm legitimately concerned about number one and it really is it really is more important to me that i go to heaven and that i get right with god personally then saying oh my god did you hear what aiden said that's not that's not catholic that's not god i think is it and it's like you know it's it just so happens that i'm a good fit for catholicism because all of the saints always teach me you cannot feel superior to any human being well they don't say you can't feel superior you can't think yourself superior i often make this distinction yeah i feel superior yeah sure i feel superior but it's just a feeling right but god though dude god forbid that i think or believe right that i'm superior the the trad community like i find myself gravitating towards a lot of like trad material that actually it makes me feel more peaceful like there's certain things but but then i don't know how they take it and they just they just ruin it they just absolutely they use it for evil i dude the more that i see senses fidelium on youtube the more i just want i just want to take that production down i just hate it so much um like they he the last thing i unfollowed them and i just i'm like i can't do you anymore like they had a thing about condemning women who wear pants and i was just like and they it's just so oh it is just so gross and it's like who you know somebody in the comments said something like padre pio hated one woman woman wore pants and it's like padre p lived in the 1800s and died in 1968 so he would hate pants and uh you know uh he also smoked cigarettes and and used tobacco products but that didn't make that correct that didn't make that good it just meant that that's what he believed he was a holy man despite you know his flaws but you kind of have this group of people that like really get into their their like ideas about everything and ironically they fetishize fetish fetishize women in veils and head coverings like the the the it's so funny to me they're just like yeah women shouldn't wear pants but then in their videos they just have like the pictures that play to like the the um to like whatever sermon they have they just they rotate between photographs and it's always beautiful women dressed in this like traditional catholic garb and it's just like you do realize that's just as pornographic in some ways as as um you know condemning that girl for wearing yoga pants or just wearing regular pants in general right and um i just i can't stand it dude i just want to go right for the i just want to go right for for the jugular with those with those guys sometimes because they're just so uh can you imagine can you imagine how jesus christ felt walking around jerusalem with those pharisees and sadducees and scribes and zealots and oh my god yeah but he tore them a new one he was awesome he like that's why jesus was so cool in a lot of those circumstances he was just like let me set a trap for you and then they're like and they fall and then jesus is like deuces breath and he like turns around and hightails it out of there with his bros you know and that happens more times than not where i'm like looking at jesus like tear apart the pharisees i'm like good job hey i just had an idea you want to challenge the census fidelium no no no no no no rebecca just said imagine how us women feel so i'm gonna send her about pants i'm gonna send her the link and she can meet you and she can oh there's the link rebecca click the link join the call just for just for five minutes just to say hi to aiden we're waiting click the link rebecca click the link now not at all creepy not at all creepy do you like candy little girl we've got candy oh she said okay one minute the candy thing worked i figured her out now okay yeah she didn't see it because she was reading the email but if she goes back to yourself rebecca likes candy okay good okay anyway i'm just being silly i miss yeah absolutely i'm a silly sinner where's my whip i'm gonna whip myself flagellate self-flagellate are you hot dude yeah i'm hot and sweating i can tell yeah rebecca has that effect on me and don't give me the celsius crap how hot is it with you today in fahrenheit uh uh [Music] weather hey hey siri tell me the weather just kidding i don't have siri whether they're 23 celsius that's not fahrenheit you can switch it to 73 fahrenheit okay and that's what it is right here that's 72. hey yes rebecca yeah hey aiden rebecca rebecca how are you it's nice to meet you you too thank you have you been watching this whole thing no i just came in whenever i i think it was probably maybe 10 to 15 minutes ago when i came in good good so i'm not sure where the conversation started i was gushing about your beauty before you started watching so when you watch it back i'm going to be embarrassed but all right oh and i told him it was weird no but aidan really likes you too uh it's not just me so yeah i was telling david i started watching your your interview when i was um i was exercising and i didn't it was just the end of it and so i didn't i only watched like 20 or 30 minutes maybe and i got to the point where you're like yeah i don't really believe in hell and i'm like clincher and i didn't get to follow up on that so maybe you can maybe you can talk about that for a second oh well i would but i want us to have a fun conversation david's blood pressure is going to go up if we talk about that oh no i gave i i may have exaggerated a little bit but anyway uh yeah we won't dwell on that but uh basically i want to know i'm curious i'm like i would say she's an annihilationist if that's the correct term annihilationist yes and the reason and i can just give a two-minute summary uh the reason that i believe that there is no eternal conscious torment is because of the way the bible talks about the afterlife several hundred times the contrast that's given is life versus death it talks throughout the old testament about the destiny of the wicked being destruction and that the wicked will be no more now so you know this idea that they're going to be tormented on and on for eternity well then we can't say they've been destroyed we can't unless we like redefine the word death and redefine the word destroy into meanings that we never use in english and they don't use them in hebrew and they don't use them in greek and so we we have to like totally redefine words that have very simple meanings like death and destruction so um you know there's very little biblical support you can maybe take two verses from the bible and say that it even mentions eternal conscious torment and those are both in revelation which is a highly um metaphorical book there are symbols throughout so it's very to me um unwise to take two verses out of revelation and make those to be the literal afterlife of eternal conscious torment when we have hundreds of verses from non-metaphorical you know narratives and you know i mean different you know theological descriptions that clearly contrast life versus death if the wicked are being eternally tormented they're alive they just have a really sucky life right so um this is you know whoever forgot to love the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life so the contrast there is clear and it's not heaven versus hell yeah that's not as controversial as what i thought never mind that's a that's a word i'm thinking like like i didn't universalism but i only caught like well yeah um but at the beginning of the interview david said something about you being a universalist but you said no no i'm not i'm not a universalist so i didn't um think that to be the case wait can can you um as a catholic like what is the thought about annihilationism it's uh heretical the punishment of hell lasts for all the the punishment is uh the punishment of hell lasts for all eternity it's a defeated dogma the punishment of hell lasts for all eternity we have uh biblical references here daniel 12 2 book of wisdom 419. judith 16 21 matthew 18 8 25 41 jude 7 we've got matthew 25 46 2 thessalonians 1 9 matthew 3 12 mark 9 14 mark 9 45 and following matthew 25 46 i think already said that apocalypse 14 uh more references i think you missed some david well this is just this is just i don't think you can see my book but it's just i'm just i'm being i'm being facetious you were very lots and lots it goes on and on it's like two pages worth of stuff here and the fathers the fathers of the church and this sort of thing but hey let's not talk about that this is like a buzzkill i want to talk about i don't think it was a buzzkill at all i thought it was very interesting talking about eternal torment i'd like no but it's interesting let's just get rebecca's impression of this fine young man aiden my friend what impression do you have of him well uh like i i said in the chat you know it i just i'm absolutely blown away by you guys righteousness and it delights me so much to hear you talking about wrestling with your sin you know striving to live a godly life striving to set aside time for god and this is just beautiful you know there's uh you know a thousand youtube channels i could turn on right now and they would be blaspheming god or not talking about worldly things doing all kinds of other stuff but it's just you know your your righteousness is shining forth in that your your efforts to live a godly life so i just i love the conversation so aidan i'm thank you for being a righteous son of god and i'm i'm glad to to meet you i uh a couple of years ago i was walking out of class with a bunch of um ladies we were in nursing school and i had my rosary in my hand i was really angry at somebody and i was like oh there's such a bag of and uh they they laughed hysterically because i was holding my rosary in my hand they're just like man that's horrible and i'm just like look i didn't promise to be better than you this is because i'm worried because i'm worse than you okay like i need i need this and so there's no righteousness it's all just like i just understand that i'm like uh i really need i really need the lord and if i didn't i would be so far gone it would be it'd be unreal well and that's the beautiful thing you know i think sometimes it the the the worst sinners the that we are it's so much easier to come to jesus right i mean people all the time that are like hey i'm a good person why would i need jesus i could you know i i don't you know i don't need anyone to do that i you know do this for my kids i do this for my wife i'm a good person you know i don't do anything wrong and i'm like okay well you can't see your need for jesus but you know a lot of us do and so it's it's a beautiful thing to know your need for the savior and so that's you know many people are are doing what you were doing but not seeing their need for a savior you know yeah i guess that's true and then and then i feel i feel more inclined to like pray for those those people too because um they're missing out and it's uh it's always and it's always cool to see people like david um david's always in a similar boat he's just more vocal about it than than a lot of us and uh uh david kind of wrangled a bunch of like-minded folks together and actually to his credit a bunch of people that are completely unlike-minded so it's it's always it's always cool coming on the cvs channel and uh seeing seeing the newer things also the narcissistic side of me sees my own self on there frequently and my brother who's i feel like as an extension uh an extension of myself um but uh yeah you're i can't wait to watch the rest of your interview um what do you what do you do for a living are you um uh you said you were living in different like muslim communities were you doing um like missionary work well i mean it depends how you define missionary i do always think of myself as a missionary my husband has been the provider of the money and i've been you know doing most most of like most of the time for the past 18 years i have been either at home with my kids or doing ministry full-time uh i did have a just a job for you know four months or so but other than that i've been full-time ministry that's probably going to change actually i'm going to apply to catholic charities here pretty soon awesome yeah that's awesome have you gone to mass before oh yes yes okay i was going to say have you have you seen because um uh have you seen like the book of revelation play out in mass have you seen the similarities of that like the language that's used in in the book of revelation and then and then the relationship there i i have never thought about it that way why don't you explain it i'm not very good at explaining it there's the marriage of the lamb yeah the marriage yeah the marriage of the lamb um scott hahn is this really he i think he was a i think he was a methodist but i can't really remember i can't really remember what his denomination was but a real lover of the bible just a really cool dude um he was a preacher for a long time very anti very anti-catholic when he was in school he started picking up the church fathers and just became immersed in the in them and then started like sneaking into mass and started seeing the bible played out in the mass and um just seeing like just how steeped it was in scripture and then he wrote a book called the marriage supper of the lamb and i read that but i everything that i read i just quickly forget i whatever i read it has to be short and it has to be really simple because i'm just i'm not like my attention span's really bad so um i picked the shortest theological treaties because uh um you know i can't really i can't really do anything different but yeah um so the charity work that you're gonna do what kind of what what line is it is it going to be like homeless or well i'm hoping to be able to work with refugees and that's you know what i was doing in turkey when we lived in turkey and so i was you know doing a couple different things to help refugees and uh in particular refugees from afghanistan because i speak persian so i can communicate with them that's awesome that's so cool yeah did you have a lot of exposure to like the orthodox um community while you were um uh you know in the middle east there's a lot of not too much i i have been to you know at orthodox churches a few times and my favorite professor in seminary was orthodox oh that's cool yeah so he he was a protestant and he had he converted to orthodox and so i got a lot of exposure to the orthodox church through him because he just loved like the icons and you know and the church fathers and so he he was really just um you know kind of you know kind of preaching orthodox church stuff to us so it was fun that's cool is your husband in the ministry too um my husband no he is a linguist he he speaks like seven languages and working on his eighth um so he he does work for the government and uh so that's what's like taking us to other countries and stuff so that's awesome but he's gonna learn ecclesial latin and talk to david about hebrews i don't speak latin but i love david you speak latin but your husband believes like you the same the same like you believe pretty much rebecca yeah okay we're the same on everything except for young earth creation oh really um yeah he doesn't believe in evolution okay um i i would have never married him if he believed in evolution like that was like i i like i was like that was like one of the first things i asked when we were dating like do you believe in evolution oh no and i'm like okay wow cool all right we're we're good um do you wait do you wait do i believe in i don't know what i believe dude i was talking to my uncle about this the other day because we were talking about your your interview actually and my uncle was just listening to it as well rebecca and mm-hmm yeah and uh he was really enjoying it i don't know why david cares so much about evolution never did anything for me like just like never you know considered it and i'm like yeah i'm the same way but i like to tell people i'm a young earth creationist just to irritate them like i like the idea of like providing somebody health care and um like they think that i'm competent and then i'm just like dinosaurs were fake and then they're just like what was that last part and then then they're immediately afraid that i'm going to administer the wrong medication so are you a doctor then god no no i'm a nurse oh cool they don't know you couldn't pay me enough to be a doctor and i'm not smart enough clearly i'm just like no no i don't believe that but yeah that's cool though um that's that's a it would be wonderful to have that skill it must feel just so wonderful to be able to help people who are physically suffering do you enjoy your work i do it's the most satisfaction that i've ever had with a job it was um it was hell the first year that i did it it was so i would go to work and be afraid that i was going to kill somebody and it was just a nightmare i wanted to get out of it and um then i found this miracle drug called celexa and celexa really helped it was just like one of those things from like oh my anxiety levels are just so through the roof and um prayer wasn't helping um nothing was really doing anything and i was still like keeping up with my spiritual life i wasn't like out of detriment or out of neglect but i'd find that i'd go to work he'd work 13 hours or close to 14 hours and then i'd have off for a three day stretch and i couldn't purge myself of of my work day i was just so so stressed out and i went to my healthcare provider and was talking to them about it i'm like i guess i can i can try some kind of medication option and i even felt it before my guardian angel has just tapped me on the shoulder several times and said you need drugs and and it's true you know god works through very ordinary very ordinary means and ever since i um started taking a little bit better care of myself and um you know got a medication that worked for me my anxiety levels just dropped down low and i was able to come to work and deal with um deal with circumstances in a uh in a way that worked for me but i started nursing in the covid um pandemic so i thought i was going into orthopedics and i ended up on the floor where people were um unable to breathe and so it's like um that's a major difference you think you're dealing with knee and hip replacement elective surgeries and then you come in and um wow and then you know um you're you're basically stopping people from from uh from dying and uh it's you know i didn't feel like i had any of the the tools necessary to help anybody when i first began but it's changed it's changed a lot and i've grown very comfortable in the role but floor nursing is a um very very stressful job um but i do work for a good hospital that allows us um to incorporate our faith into our care and so um um that was that's very special there's chaplains everywhere um there's crucifixes in every room um you can like you can consult um chaplains of all different faiths um whenever there's a priest around i can i can go to confession i can you know request the anointing of the sick for somebody you can you can there's just so much there's just so much um there that's available for people that um in normal secular hospitals you wouldn't have do people scream and cry when they're at uh in the hospital and really sick or do they just quiet oh yeah they screaming oh dude it's it's no no it's um so orthopedic pain is like the worst you know i know that if i get somebody under the age of 40 they're typically going to be the the more difficult ones to deal with because old people know how to deal with pain and um so like well i see tons of motorcycle accidents um and like what they don't tell young men about motorcycle accidents is if you have pelvic trauma um you have external organs that get hurt too and so like i think if every man knew the actual consequences of of pelvic trauma they would probably ditch their motorcycles um but so yeah it's really terrible so they scream in pain and agony all day and then and then you have you have two two ends of the spectrum you have young people that are in the um the traumatic accidents and then you have the older people that might have like memory care issues um dementia and they'll break their hip and so when somebody has a broken hip that's another incredibly painful issue and so you have people you know screaming in pain just laying there before they're fixed and then screaming in pain when they're trying to do regular activities um of daily living like just going to the bathroom so getting somebody up onto a bedpan and if they have um bilateral lower extremity fractures and one of their shoulders is broken and they have one good arm you know trying to get that person onto a bedpan um it's a joke it's just it's so excruciating and um so they're okay let's talk about hell again because hell is a lot more a lot more pleasant to talk no but the secret is this when i go in and i meet my patients first thing in the morning i offer them caffeine and i offer them sugar and i find that if i give them if i give them coffee and if i give them something sweet popsicles it literally like night and day difference so i don't know if jesus is behind that phenomenon um it's either jesus or it's it's just our addictive tendencies but i like to i like to think that jesus is the one um bringing the uh the coffee the coffee to everybody because they are there meds that will kill pretty much any pain like heroin or what do they call it the lotted is the is the the main player in there dalotta is the one that um that uh usually knocks out pain but it's it's got a really quick half-life so you inject somebody with that and then in an hour they're there um they're feeling it again but um i had i have gone through the real spectrum with pain medications i found because we have a lot of people on methadone methadone really helps people with pain we kind of have this this view of methadone um as late people that's like oh that's the drug that gets people off a heroin so you don't get high from it and it's not not even slightly true methadone will like knock you um knock you through a loop and uh and so i know that if a patient has methadone their pain care is going to be uh a little bit better because it's it's it's pretty strong um but heavy work man very heavy work very very literally literally they're quite they're quite they're quite heavy and uh but it's good man i work with a lot of cool people um you know but we're high burnout rate high burnout rate and absolutely absolutely man if you heard my language on the floor that's one of the things i've been working on lately is i'm like you know i told the priest a couple weeks ago i'm like yeah i'm satan in the hallway and then jesus when i'm in the room because i'm just like you just add on one more doctor one more doctor's order and i'm like and then you know you kind of have to knock it off and get into character and go into the room but you know yeah let's talk about hell again well do you do you see any healing miracles good question good question uh not healing miracles but um i had a gentleman who saw angels on the operating room table um and um he was um i and i really i tell you what um because i had a couple of opportunities to like pray with people and i'm very afraid to pray with people a lot of the times i'm not like a not like a charism of mine so it was really cool that like some people are in so much pain and but they're just so open to prayer that i'm that'll offer it and this gentleman i got to pray with him and i gave him a rosary that i made him and um uh it was just really cool and he had this abdominal injury that got really infected and i kept trying to tell the health care provider like hey look something's wrong with his abdomen he's screaming in pain it's really taut it's really rigid something's wrong and he had to go get emergency surgery and when he was on the table with his emergency surgery he told me he saw these two angels and they were he said they were massive and this guy is big this dude's like a 500 pound dude he's not a small guy and he said that these things basically like their fingers were half the size of his body he said they um they had this mother of pearl color and they had um um these like golden like decorations like going down their skin that he said were almost kind of like veins and he said their heads were shaped like um axes and they had eyes all over them they said they were huge and um one of them had this flaming sword that it held and it told him um to pick up his sword and he felt them take him and one of them placed their his giant finger he said it was kind of reminded him of like how we would picture like the incredible hulk his hand would be and he felt this pressure in his stomach and um couldn't describe the sensation further but um was just so uh uh impressed by that he said they were so scary but not they were i don't like fear of god's scary not like terrifying it's just like something you would see and you would mess with yeah um but did they help him during the surgery that was that was the impression i got but he came back weeks later i saw him in the hallway i was walking i don't even think i was supposed to be there that day um and i was walking down the hallway and there he was in a wheelchair with his family he's like hey i'm here to get more surgery my abdomen is infected so god willing everything everything's okay but um um yeah i'm pretty sure that that was that was true angelic uh intervention but we also have creepy stuff too oh really like what hauntings yeah we have a little girl that um that runs around on the hallway um that uh a doctor has seen um and a couple of my patients um had a patient in say 8 69 and um she had dementia and she could talk about seeing this little girl and i saw a little girl last night i'm like yeah okay you know and i did my work with her and a week later we were all out in the hallway meet a couple of other nurses and they're like yeah that patient with dementia saw that little girl in 869 and i'm like oh yeah you know the patient that was here last week and i said her name like no it was another patient with dementia who was in the same room and i was like oh that's really strange that they would both see the same uh the same thing similar circumstances but um you know the same kind of uh appearance so um i don't know if that's like um like a soul asking for prayer or if it's some kind of demonic presence but um the more i see dementia the more that i see a weapon of satan because it's just so it's just so evil it's so disturbing now were you being literal when you said you felt your guardian angel tap you on the shoulder about medication yeah it's a feeling it's a sense um but did you feel a physical tap no i've had a couple of moments with him um i don't ever get full-on um uh like angelic encounters i've had one like moments that that are um i think god places them there to test my faith um like the other night i was trying to pray and i had this uh this ringing started happening in my ear i just turned to him and i said dude can you get rid of the sink ringing and almost immediately the ringing went away and so moments like that that that could be a physiological phenomenon that doesn't necessarily mean it's spiritual it could have been something mental that just clicked off and so i just keep it open to um the spiritual side but at mass a couple of years ago um i was praying a little bit after mass had ended and i looked up and i saw on the altar saint michael and then as soon as i saw him it was he he was gone but the impression i got was this huge um massive like 20-foot bulldog of a of an angel and then um that was it i couldn't tell you any any real details or anything meaningful i want to have you okay i'll let rebecca answer then i want to tell you a story yeah have you seen or felt anything literal like that well you know i for a period of time in my spiritual journey i would say between 2015 and 2017 uh i felt angels quite often and um and at first i wasn't sure what i was feeling um but what it would feel like is something like just like kind of an electricity but it was localized now when i feel the presence of the holy spirit i'll feel sort of an electricity all over my body but this was different because it felt like something was brushing up against me you know on one side or one place or on my hand or something like that and so i i suspected it was angels i felt that it was angels and then i have a friend who sees angels now you know i i i never know you know sometimes you don't if you don't know a person well you don't really know if you should believe that they see angels you know it's like one of those things that's like but it's very weird a lot of those you know a lot of people who tell me that they see angels in the other areas of their life they're so serious and grounded that i tend to believe them right because it's like they're not like kind of like this you know they're not like loopy in every way but anyway so it's like okay you know this this person i didn't know her that well so i didn't know if i believed her about her seeing angels all the time but i was on a mission trip with her and she was telling me oh do you know what you know she was like there's an angel on the plane wing right now and she was describing this angel and i'm sitting next to her wait a minute i was sitting next to her on a bus but she was describing to me the angel that she saw on the wing plane so we were not on a plane sorry but so she was sitting next to me on the bus and as she was describing this angel on the wing plane i felt the the feeling i feel when an angel is right there and the moment that i felt it she said one just appeared right there and so that made me say it's awesome wow okay it was sort of a confirmation to me that like what i was feeling and suspected was angels actually was and that um she was really seeing them so yeah that's cool that's really cool i didn't say anything to her you know i didn't say oh i feel an angel i just i felt something on my arm the moment i felt it she said an angel just appeared right there right now you get so at peace you get peace with that or anxiety or uh what do you get with the angels oh wonderful wonderful um you know it it's just as i feel a joy in the presence of god like and i i during that time period of my life is when i saw the most healing miracles so it's when i saw the most instantaneous miracles it's um and it's when i felt the closest to god so i i had an experience that like it really like at that time it made me feel the presence of god nearly on a constant basis for about six or seven months and if i ever for a moment didn't feel it all i had to do was like i would just kind of instinctually lift up my hands and i would just feel the presence of god come over me now you know i don't know like i like i want to get i would love to get back to that i don't know what happened to it you know um but that is that that that was really a wonderful time we have uh periods of consolation and desolation and it's all uh training in the spiritual warfare that's what i would say that's what the church teaches you know with the god spoils us a little bit withdraws and then spoils us and withdraws and it's all part of that that's what i've read in the saints you know it's uh i was riding on a pink cloud for like 10 years solid when i converted in 2009 so uh you know it's really yeah it's just now like the past two years where i've been uh so you know maybe part of the negativity you're picking up from me is just the fact that i'm at a low point now like two years of low desolation compared to the 10 years of pink cloud but i want to share a little anecdote with you and see what your gut reaction is both of you um i was just a it's just a little story about when i was in europe living in belgium with my wife and we stayed with this woman jack ross jacqueline ross she's an artist really nice sweet older lady and uh she shares my last name ross so just coincidence but another thing to bond over and she treated us like her kids you know just being very generous with us and we slept over one night and i don't know why we slept over at her house but anyway she lived in a cute little house and there was a little attic and we had to go up like a ladder to get into the attic so you climb up this ladder and then you just have your little nook and we slept there and uh you know i know i knew that she had lost her daughter tragically i forget how she died but might have been cancer it might have been an accident i don't know i can't remember but the point is i knew i knew that she was grieving the loss of her daughter it's never easy i don't think to lose a child but um an adult child too right like someone i think she was in her late teens early 20s something like that the daughter that died so you know we talked about many things that was one of them obviously but uh i wasn't like dwelling on that but when i went to bed that night i had a mystical vision like it was more than a dream it's like you know everything's very deliberate and you turn and you look and they're climbing up the ladder is this young beautiful woman with the muslim head thing and you know just a modest thing like you would see the blessed virgin mary okay and i had no i was atheist i had no love of the blessed virgin mary whatsoever obviously so i just thought oh this is like uh i was just in in awe and it was just like a silent peaceful thing and there she was she had a neutral look on her face but it was sort of like a beautiful face and i don't know if she went down or if just that vision ended and then the next morning i'm like hey i had this dream it was really weird like it was really real and i described it and i described the face i described the hair color even though the hair was covered mostly by the veil and uh she said yeah that's my daughter and [Music] she said you know in heaven this is uh how they appear with the veil and she just took it for absolute certainty 100 percent no question yeah you saw my daughter you know so what do you think of that story is she doing wishful thinking or you know was it subconscious in me because it was more than just a dream like you know the special feeling you get when something is supernatural is happening what impression do you guys get from that little story i think you're a liar that sounds that sounds cool man i think people know um i think people know you think there's a daughter yeah why not man okay why not um is she happy i mean like is there any indication from my story like i think her going downward signified that she's damned no i think that it was it was probably well wait so did um did your host show you a photograph of her daughter i don't think so i don't know you should have asked for a photo that's what you say yeah i'm probably the wrong person to ask because i'm always a little bit like i don't know if that happened even when god like gobsmacks me with certain things i'm like maybe that's still my brain you know so but if we were to if we were just let's just say for example it's the daughter but i'm worried like okay is she in heaven hell purgatory is she hanging around like a ghost like what's going on she looked peaceful yeah i mean yeah it was a pleasant dream you know zero terror so is that a good sign that probably she's not damned and i would say um i would say so yeah but i mean there's nothing wrong with praying for people anyway yeah you know what i mean like always always soliciting the prayers of our of our christian brothers and sisters that that need that need that um is that okay are you rebecca to pray for the dead or no yeah you pray for the dead that's a that's a good one i have no problem praying for the dead like if if like let's say someone dies and then like you know a friend's relative dies or something and then you know they come over and they're upset then i will pray i'll say a prayer and i'll say please receive that person into your kingdom and you know so yeah i have no problem with that but i mean i don't sit around praying for the dead i don't like like there's like very few circumstances where i would pray for the dead like that's what that's that's like a circumstance i would pray for them i pray i and i'm not being silly here i'm not making a joke i literally pray for the dead all day every day that's like one of my top priorities it's one of my top priorities for sure you know what only yeah you know why because you think they're suffering in purgatory and you want to help them out well that's not the main reason the main reason is because i'm gonna die and i wanna i wanna have these prayers right like i want to i'm preparing so that my stay in purgatory will be shorter so it's a very selfish thing but i also david you think of you think of like purgatory as a place and not as like a just not as a transition why because i always think i don't care if it's a place or a transition or a state of mind or whatever i don't care but all i know is it's long and painful and i don't want it i don't want to go there and i don't want it but if i end up there god forbid then i'm praying every day for the holy souls in purgatory past present and future so that includes me so i have to admit my prayer life is very very self-centered i always say i pray for the true and lasting conversion of all sinners past present and future most especially myself and my wife and those who are close to us et cetera et cetera so it starts with me and my wife and then it goes out from there i'm pretty sure most people do this self-centered style of prayer i'm not sure but i do i think everybody approaches god because something happens to them like there's not like nobody ever says like like i don't need jesus but i was gonna go to him anyway yeah yeah so i'm gonna pray to him i think every i think everybody always comes to like um like fear of the lord like is you know like the beginning of wisdom right so fear of the lord is is egotistical in one sense because you're like oh man i'm really sinful and then you like look at yourself and you see that god is good and um it's narcissistic in one sense but then it brings you to a state of humility over time so i don't think that there is any other way that you can approach prayer when jesus approached that guy that could never find his spot in the healing waters remember he didn't say he didn't i watched the chosen he didn't say like oh oh no no don't put me in the water go put that other guy fred in the water because he's been waiting around for years trying to get in no he just said put me in the water and when people were blind jesus said what do you want make me see it's like so there is i think a precedent in the bible like yeah we are uh sick and you know they're also examples where the family and friends like took off the roof and lowered the paraplegic into the house or whatever like that's very touching but also in the chosen have you watched the chosen no i haven't watched your choices watch that show dude watch the show rebecca have you seen that show i have seen the first season yeah it's good i enjoy it i enjoy it it's quite it's quite nice i had an interaction sort of cut you off you should be sorry i'm just bored of listening to your voice just kidding oh but me too man but i put i i was in the chat with some guy on twitter and uh he's like i'm a calvinist and i don't i don't pray to mary and all this sort of thing and uh later on in the twitter conversation like we're just having a private chat back and forth talk about religion this night the other thing and i said hey man i just met this guy but i'm like hey man would you uh i'd like you to pray for me are you willing to pray for me he's like yeah sure man no problem yeah i'll pray for you what is it and i said well uh you know this is if you're willing if it's okay for me to ask you to pray then what's the difference like i'm just disgusting sinners so if it's okay if this style of intercessory prayer is okay for you why wouldn't it be okay with the mother of god right like it's like you are perfectly fine with intercessory prayer when it's like two dirty sinners but if it's the mother of your lord and savior that's not okay right is that a good is that a good illustration of do you want me to emphatically agree with you after you just you're two different people you probably have two different opinions i want to hear talk amongst yourselves i think rebecca should talk um because everybody knows that you know i'm gonna be like i guess this is one of the aspects of catholicism that i mean i agree with like it's not a big deal like yeah i wasn't expecting that really well yeah because it's such a because if you if you read the new testament on prayer um it seems to be a very specific um it's not even a prescription or a formula but i mean like what you glean from it is pretty much oh you pray to the father in the name of jesus and there are specific ways you do that and um he like also reading about his um you know uh when you pray don't pray as the the heathens do heaping up empty phrases for they think you'll be heard for their many words you know you you read something like that and you're like there you go that condemns uh repetition uh repetitive prayer and um so you can like see all these things and so when people say i have a problem asking for mary's prayers i'm like yeah i get it i mean i don't agree with it but i get it and i you know and then also developing a prayer life um uh you know um in the catholic tradition um you see it you're like okay so even if it's not disagreeable why are we not teaching more so the way that jesus specifically told us how to pray like why don't we see that being handed down to people um with more emphasis you know because the rosary gets like thrown in everybody's face um like all the time but if you like think about jesus's words regarding prayer catholic you're like jesus spoke about prayer why did he do that and they're like you can open the bible and read it you know there's a very like strange relationship with a lot of catholics and um scripture so you know very refreshing to hear what you what you think yeah it's one of those like it's it's a practice that i i feel that i understand and i'm fine with i don't do it and that's because i can also see the other side of it where it's also like we're not really supposed to commune with the dead like you know that's also kind of though right and that's where that's what i'm saying there's like kind of a that you know the saints are alive right but i don't see but i don't see in scripture like you know an example of this being done so it's not something that i do but it's it i have no problem with people doing it like i'm not gonna you know tell someone they shouldn't ask mary to do you know intercede for them on something so well and i get i've always had like a complicated relationship like in that area but i've always ended up defaulting to it anyway because i know that it's it's good for me and mary has helped me out on so many occasions and um i was deep into yoga for a long time and felt at odds with my faith about yoga and i feel like it was mary's intercession that like slowly started pulling me out of like eastern um uh eastern philosophies and into uh the lap of christianity or the labs specifically of jesus because i mean you know she's got two legs so jesus is sitting on one of her thighs and then you can you can occupy the other and that's kind of how wow did you make that up or is that a castle no no i made that up yeah wow but um you know he's a little bit uncomfortable hearing that but it's cool what it's interesting it's very intimate i mean i'm dude if we're supposed to be like little children then there's there's nothing wrong with that man pick me up and take care of me because i'm yeah i'm garbage so like i need i need to be picked up and held rather than um running off and doing a bunch of things on my own well so um did you end up like coming to like a firm position on you don't think yoga like should do you think christians should not practice yoga i think aiden shouldn't practice it um it's uh i experienced some weird spiritual phenomenon prior to my um actual jump into yoga and then when i started reading yoga literature i'm like oh i experienced that like i don't know if you know anything about kundalini um but i experienced um a kundalini spirit once when i was 19 or 20 years old and it was um it was really terrifying and so then when um i got into yoga i read this book um called the science of yoga and it was really awesome but they had a whole section dedicated to people that have experienced the phenomena of kundalini and just um looked at it pretty objectively and was like this is pretty scary and i'm like hey i experienced that i didn't know that that's what it was called but um one night when i was um half asleep half awake um i experienced sleep paralysis i was sleeping on my on my stomach and my head was turned to the side and i felt like very hot and cold at the same time like um i can't remember what the phenomenon was my skin was cold and i was burning up on the inside but i was sweaty and i felt like somebody took a tuning fork and banged the tuning fork on my spine and i felt this bizarre vibration up and down my back like i was a like a like a rumble pack and um this like weird electrical stimulation throughout my whole body and this big this big cloud appeared and it had a face and it like told me it had seven different names and it it was just absolutely horrifying and um you know uh people kind of chase that spiritual phenomenon i knew instinctively i'm like oh that's a demon and there's just no there's just no other way around it there was nothing about the experience that was pleasant i was steeped in really disgusting sin at that time um i had sought out the um counsel of one of my friend's moms was a um i don't know she's a tarot card reader or just a medium in general but i do i sought out her help and it's like there you go open doorway right there um but people [Music] chase this phenomenon down they actually want it in the yoga world and there's just something so um there's just something so backwards about that and so the more that i got entrenched in yoga the more i saw uh the occult side of it and um uh just what it did to people made people narcissists and made people body focused and made people um it was very much um reserved for sexy people not broken people you know it's one and i always saw it as a tool that could be used to help people fix their bodies and then but it ended up getting hijacked by um hi my name's brittany i'm gonna do this handstand and it's just like it's just so overly sexualized and i'm like me as a man i don't really have a place i don't really have a place in this uh anymore and uh slowly got you know slowly phased out of it but um i was also too cowardice too too cowardly to be my authentic christian self in that in that situation too because it was um just like a den of uh spiritual cherry picking so jesus isn't really welcome in that realm unless of course jesus is accompanied by the buddha and by um krishna so pretty strong words and a pretty powerful testimony and uh i think you're 100 correct i mean uh what do i know but i mean i i think there's a reason why the church has warned us against dabbling with eastern mysticism and even with yoga there are documents uh encyclicals that have been put out in the last century that talk about the dangers of the east you know the beauty of these the truth of the east and then the dangers and it's a balanced appraisal but there's no doubt there is a spiritual element to yoga practices and uh that's where the danger lies when you and i aiden have had this conversation before about stretching stretching is not demonic right stretching is not demonic no it's just not yeah but i would argue that yoga is so much more than than stretching like rebecca do you practice yoga or have you practice oh no no not at all okay i i feel the same way about it i mean i'm i'm probably not i don't feel strongly enough about it that like if christians are practicing it i'm not gonna be like the one being like no no no you know like i'm gonna say okay let the lord work within what they're doing and let them worship because some of them will say i'm worshiping god i'm not worshiping any you know other deity but a lot of the positions and stuff um are you know specifically for worshiping certain deities and things like that so right yeah and there's no escaping that well and i mean so somebody didn't believe in god and they went to a worship service uh three nights out of the week and they were told you don't have to believe in god but i just want you to stand here and i want you to sing the music and i want you to put your hands in the air and um i just want you to do that you don't have to you don't have to believe any of it and they did that consistently for a year one day they come in they're down on their luck they're like man i really feel awful today my boss treated me poorly my girlfriend left me i i you know what i'm a real slob and then all of a sudden they're in that they're like wait a second it just lends itself to this to this moment of receiving whoever's at the other end of that practice and the same thing with yoga the more that you put yourself into that posture or that um breathing exercise the more that your um pruning yourself to receiving whatever whatever that that demonic entity is and uh so much of yoga is anglicized and gymnastic and then there's like bits of it that are absolutely not um uh anglicized and so there's just no way there's no way that that you can be informed enough to know which postures are safe and which postures are unsafe because there's so many of them they've all been modified they've all been sold to white women in spandex and then like packaged up for white men white men to go and and enjoy for themselves i mean this is the this is the truth it's just this is really what it is it's it's a um just a big old um uh pit of deception that um uh is very very attractive i still find myself floating back to it in mind and thinking like man i could go practice or teach a class or you know whatever and then um thank god i haven't you know actually acted on those impulses because uh it's just so fleeting and so um pale compared to the to the truth but now is the attraction that you have to it because of the women in spandex or is it also because of like the the kind of like practice itself it's the practice itself in fact even if i did go back like towards the end of my practice i was like teaching a class with my head down because i'm just like ah this is two there's no chance to be in this and i you know just got married and i wanted to be good to my thank god for my wife um because she's the one who opened the doorway for for jesus to come in um but i instinctively knew you have a bunch of habits here that are not conducive to being married so get it get it together and so um that changed but there is something attractive about the practice that's not related to sex and there's it's just about like maybe maybe sex visually maybe it's another way maybe it's like virility um like suppleness um freedom from our physical bondage because there really isn't an aspect of us that we're we're just so physically bound and yoga does free you from a lot of that and also it just it looks cool you know christianity has so much stuff in it that just looks so lame like if i see another you know jesus fish and cross i might vomit you know but then you look at like you look at that compared to a lotus flower and you're just like ooh ah mandalas you know dude with six arms like there's just something there's something cool about it like uh exotic it is exotic which is why i think the orthodox church is so cool because when you see certain like bits of iconography you're like oh yeah that trumps that trump's yoga it like you know tramples it underfoot and so if you want something mysterious you want something um holy then and there are these deep wells that you can go to to draw from that you just have to know where to go and don't talk to um you know your joe six-pack catholic you know because he's not going to know where it is you kind of have to be willing to um you know do the deep dive yourself so we're going to wrap it up because my my thing is going to end here my call's going to end they put a time limit on it but i'm really happy that you two met and uh rebecca this guy's got a brother this guy's got a brother you wouldn't believe these guys they're so different but they're so similar and they got the sibling rivalry everything so uh you'll have to meet the brother sometime but it's a real it's a real joy and a pleasure that you're so spontaneous it's very rare uh no insult to the the fairer sex but it's so rare to find a woman that's just like yeah sure give me one minute you know if that was my wife would be like yeah give me four hours and i'll get ready and then maybe i'll be ready to be on camera but to be that spontaneous and to be that cool and like hey yeah i'll jump on a video and i'll talk with this guy i've never met and it's like two-on-one catholic versus non-catholic it's like very cool that you're so uh hip and you're just open hip and open and uh yeah and it's just a real joy to have you both on here thank you so much can we do this sometime where it's actually scheduled because uh i i am like the fair sex and i do like to put on my my makeup just i like look pretty well you gotta get that eight pack tightened up a bit i noticed i know let myself go buddy that's why you wore the t-shirt normally he doesn't wear clothes during our interviews but he just said uh getting chubby again i loved this talk i mean we just jumped from one topic to another and it was so much fun and so thank you so much for inviting me on that was really sweet amazing thank you yeah no it was awesome i wanted to say also i really enjoyed it thank you for coming and livening up because it seems that um when i've been talking to david lately we've been getting other people to join it and it makes it so much better because it's just like like i um i love to talk too much and then it's nice to uh have other people uh you know make it uh so have some variety so thank you for listening to my garbage david thank you for having me on yeah it's always a pleasure you're uh you're both sweet people and you inspire my faith in different ways and you need to repent now david you're on your way to hell why what i do nothing i just wanted to let you know before i go that death draws nigh and that you have but uh a moment i see okay i see i see what we're doing okay you're showing the contrast between yourself and rebecca and the two the two sides of that christian and i'm telling you you are holy you are righteous you can sing no you're singing sing it sing that song don't worry be happy how's it going don't worry yeah so no there's more to it than that we have a lot more in common uh probably than aiden ever thought right aiden sure absolutely absolutely um you just need somebody to like come in and pick it up and elevate it to that moment but if you get a couple of like negative nancies you know together all the time then we just kind of you know the tonal quality matches so you just need somebody else to come in there and be unwilling to compromise and you know drop down to that level and then instinctively the two bums will then raise up to it but you are going to go to hell david if you don't change your ways so i appreciate it on that note i will appreciate it i love you enough to tell you that that's not true i'm so sorry i'm going to be appearing on rebecca's show i think wednesday is that right wednesday yep that's awesome so check that out check out rebecca's channel bread of life i don't even i don't even know what it's all about because i'm trying to like not learn too much i like the organic get to know me kind of thing and so i don't want to learn too much from watching old videos there very excited actually i looked you up um and kept spelling your name wrong so um i only got like one like um video of you talking to somebody else so i'll check out your bread of life channel too um cool you do that regularly yes um usually a couple times a week awesome so i had covered like last week so i didn't do much but um if you type in if you go to youtube and you type in bread of life channel it'll be the first one that comes up okay i'll check it out it sounds awesome yeah okay bye thank you so much take care god bless good night bye take care god bless you see you david bye nice talking to you bye