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Okay, I'm live last time I left. Things are on the modal form. The last argument that I refuted soldiers burn through it in structure, motivation the side of the unlighted, If you haven't watched Part one or two or three, you can go back and watch at least part one justice. You can learn how I've dealt with all the variations of the arguments like this, a primary argument that given them they do. Inductive objective model Basie, and and I do a treatment of all those can go back and watch episode One of you haven't already. I think we know what that is at the moment inductive. So they are numerous examples of people from the president. Historically, who did not know, sorry, not available of people like the whole peoples and nations and civilizations who do not know if the Christian God, so like you know, you have to say things like that, The that the the old Macs in in our ancient Mesoamerica, all day and they are. What the original apples? The Indian inimical to Indus Valley civilization, like this sounds like something. I dunno. Yeah, maybe later on Rights August, you have to go back very far and pick people's well away from that area. Originally. Sir, Yes, Sir, sorry, I should just yes, and I think that's just really implausible that all peoples of known the Christian God, and so that's the basis of one that that there are numerous peoples who have historically not noted the coastguard, and people who do not appreciate or unexpected cause, God, also known, right, Sir, were shown documents, Christianity, not true, I was asked the question about the template, the modal argument, and yeah, as I mentioned before, I had to abbreviate. I would like it, because otherwise the premises when fate. If you want to purchase a bonsai so much, I, Yeah, when I say from his five, I'm sort of implicitly. There's a possible premise there as well so that I did mention that before that's a good observation, Okay, sir, Where are we at Dr. Form so exciting numerous peoples from the President. Historically, who did not know if the disposer better 'em is an Indian island. They again, I know that, but with arrows yet, Jesus, you know, and we well, Yeah, That's get them. An innovative. Won't be a problem. Any fights. If go crazy. What you mean, though it'll be collecting facts, all religions, registrations, thought. Probably taking bites, especially the claims that called for greater humanity worship him, Secretaries helps to create an excuse me so premise One If God created humanity to worship him, there would be there would not be many conflicting face, says who. Made in the Garden of Eden. There was only one faith one religion. Not even sure it was faith because I saw God face to face, So I'm not even sure if they had faith. It's a good question. I'll have to look into that. But the reason that we have evils, such as errors and false religions, and that includes, of course necessarily. Partially true religions, because only one religion can be completely and perfectly true, a perfect society, with all of the means of salvation, salt necessarily all of the other sects and religions will be at least partially false. The reason that that evil and other evils exist like stubbing your toes. For example, the reason that any evil exist is because of the fall, the fall from grace. In the Garden of Eden by our first parents, so again this sir. This argument holds no water. She's going to greatly to injury, So it's all on the famous. One day. I'll think that they'll reject and premise one by saying God won't Was I ain't got got were also created. You know Satan, and obviously Satan appeared to manmade as debris old caused confusion in people's faith, and so forth, But then why in the already, I don't disagree with premise. One premise one is. Was the case in the Garden of Eden? I mean God, God does want humanity to worship him? But he gave humanity free will and our first parents abused that good gift of free will, and here we are with not only many religions but many languages to remember the story of the Tower of Babel, What prompted the dispersion of peoples and of the languages in that story, It was the hubris that pride trying to be like. God right answer to the question of like an explanation of why God would allow that is just saying that he didn't apparently, but, but if you've got created to humanity to worship him and we would expect conflicting fates, because God wants to test people right by using the Satan and stuff like that, so like the the conditional isn't true or something, does I, yeah, so I think that the gratification for one they would be the cockatoo test a sufficiently by to see whether people obey him or not just like he tested the Israelites as to whether they would worship him or what should the golden calf? So the golden Calf was not produced because the Israelites stopped believing in God. They stopped trusting in him. Right or they were they were, and that were afraid or whatever it was exactly They want to hedge their bets. I don't know exactly what was that. They didn't just think that God didn't exist anymore. Right, Yeah, Yeah, why the hell did they do that like like imagine you're in some tents at the bottom of a mountain and you're like nomadic people, and like you lead, just goes up a hill for a few days, and why would you build a golden calf? I already mentioned this last episode, but just to remind you the listeners to the Israelites or whatever they were called to the Hebrew people. The chosen people of God, they were taken out of slavery in Egypt, to the promised land. They had to wander in the desert for forty years, but they were tempted to go back to their old ways, the ways that they had acquired the perverted idolatrous and adulterous ways of the Egyptian religions, right, so that's why they reverted back to worship of beasts and other creatures. Usually animals right, and if you actually go through the ten plagues, you'll see that to these gods were predominantly animals. We had frogs or livestock. All kinds of things are being destroyed by God to show that God is greater than these false gods. These gods have four legs for six limbed insects, or whatever it might be like that stories, just really implausible to be a bit strange, but. I, you could eat somebody. You could weaken this by saying hope it could be different traditions, but they would all at least agree on the existence of God. That would make just say you should do different things, but we don't even have that. That's the sense in which there are conflicting facts cause Don't even agree on what what sort of all exits like one, The Christians, going to try him, God, for example, But what I believe in any God and the Hindus have also completed difficult, so that that's why well, I disagree, I think that the Hindus have many schools of thought, Many branches diverse pearl. The realistic religion that's my understanding of it, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've come to understand that there is a sort of upper echelon elitist version of Hinduism that is monotheistic, strictly monotheistic and or monastic. I'm not sure I'm suspecting probably more monistic than monotheistic, but even the The Buddhists. The non nihilistic Buddhist, The Buddhists who believe in the one mind, that's obviously the one mind of God. It's a pantheistic god. It's it's a monastic god once again Because there is no heaven and hell. There's only heaven. For The. For these sorts of, for these particular sorts of Buddhists. Are there other nihilistic branches that don't even have a belief in the one mind. I don't. I understand how you can build a philosophy on that foundation. That's not much of a foundation, or it's just a complete denial of everything including your own existence and the existence of God to me. That is one of the most absurd, if not the most absurd worldviews, so, but I take exception with the fact that his claim that James and Nathan are making that different religions don't even have got many of them have multiple gods or. One primary god, or some sort of sauce, not pseudo gods, but sort of gods that are aspects of the one true god, right so? We need to be. Standing of the cultural differences, he would take a lifetime more than a lifetime to understand all of the religions on earth, so let's tread carefully when painting with a broad brush, All these different religions. We don't know all the ins notes and what any particular branch of any particular exotic religion might teach or belief. I mean that if anybody comes looking at what even exists, and that's just not a God protests many ways without without having that level of confusion, so that's the. That's the basis of one there. The confusion comes not from God who is all good, but from sinful creatures who abused the good gift that God gave him the good gift of free will allow that they just catch a boy about the form would say, Noting that the former competing in contract face of frustrations. It doesn't the a completely unexpected. If God rent married worship him, and I said we have an academic question is false and fall for better connection. If he doesn't make the devices at all face on a mate for resume than Christianity is false and misinformed their medical team fights is much more consistent, I think with the policy Christianity than within. If the truth of Christianity, all right, moving on it, this is. I think this is my only venture here. I'm kind of proud of it. Even though it's a bit silly, I think interesting of the augment from the electoral nihilism to mere logical symbols, are things that top ott made up of pots, essentially so it could be like an electron could be mere electoral symbol, or a soul could be mineralogical simple assault on pots and pans on what you're the telly, but the premise here is that that first is merely for nihilism, so to defend that you would give argument from your local nihilism, which I think are a little one scope like for example, if you think that. Are copies of objects and you have to define the boundaries of the subjects in it often seems rather arbitrary like so. If a, if the table is an object that exists, then what about the table? What is this animal type of mindset animal, plus this atom, and then you seemed to be saying that there's all of these tables existing in the same place. At the same time, it a slightly different, and it gets me wait, so that's one ugly for me, electoral nihilism, which just as people's exists up anyway, hopefully depend here. That's just the first remus so then if minds are not mere logical simple, sorry, let me rephrase that that is, though as I do, not, we are like symbols, but rather symbols arranged mind wise, so this is your second mind is not mere logic was simple, and this would be argued for on the basis of the fact that all minds of you know, I have all these pots through them. The party you can like you have memory and you have perception that you have a cognition, and you have a decision. Making. There's all these aspects to them or formal distinctions are not real distinctions right, So this is what you need to understand when we make formal distinctions. For example between the reason and the will doesn't mean that there are two parts and that our souls or minds or composite. I just do a little basic reading into a scholastic philosophy and you'll stumble on this. Every introductory textbooks, I mean this is not. This is not rocket science. You need to understand the difference between a formal distinction and a real distinction and minds are not composed right other than having essence and existence. They are not composed. They're not composed of parts, or so this whole argument falls apart right from the gecko, and they have a temporal succession. That is none of the things really consistent with them being assembled, Plus you literally appeared leveraged neuroscience. Whatever, also, I think you get the. Empirical science cannot help you because minds are not natural or supernatural, documenting favorite socket lines and all symbols. The follows in here. Luckily people might have did not exist, but if only sixty, as a minded, spiritually simple level goes like this because God is supposed to be a mind who is a simple like bay, departing other words is is someone like soaring that you, James, or am I going mad when sawing metal detecting in the distance. Anything lately, I've mostly the model supposed to be on this tour, and while the blah all right moving on the problem of the inefficacy of prayer. Now this is a favorite of mine. It's going mad. I'm going to do for one second and listen to the stream to see if I can still hear it. It always. I'll get going. So if Christianity is true prayer will be an effective method of healing prayers. Another effective method. A feeling of Christianity is false. Now some crashes like a A. If Christianity is true. It is true prayer would be an effective method of healing. Yes, true, it is. It is an effective method of healing, but the primary healing that we get from prayer is not. Physical healing or dental healing, or mental healing, or financial healing, right or interpersonal healing, those can and will flow from the primary healing, which is the spiritual healing, but spiritual healing often involves suffering, right, so suffering entails a lack. Have physical health, dental health, mental health, interpersonal health, all the sorts of things that suffering is part of our spiritual healing. I'm not saying that it's just a simple recipe every time like I asked God for help, and then God heals me spiritually by exacerbating all my problems, giving me more and more suffering. And suffering is the solution to everything more suffering equals more spiritual healing. No, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that often we are not completely detached from even venial sin groups. Sometimes we're not even detached from mortal sin. God, help us okay, but or a faithful and devote Christian, If we're considering a faithful and devote. Christian, usually in the hidden recesses of his heart, we find some attachment to at least venial sin. Okay, So there's going to be some suffering. This is the Hindu concept for the Eastern concept. I should say more generally the Eastern concept of karma, cause and effect, I mean you are attached to the creature, and therefore you will suffer. At suffering can be redemptive, it can be salvific If you are oriented toward garden. If you are praying without cease praying to God. For all sorts of things doesn't really matter. I mean you might be concerned about your physical health, financial health, whatever it is and the well being of yourself and others around you, your friends, acquaintances enemies. Coworkers, whenever it is whenever you prayer is, you're praying for your favorite sports team to win the big game. Whatever it is, there's no prayer of too silly or too stupid to be worthy of God's attention, and to be worthy of healing to merit healing of one sort or another if you reach out to God with the simplest and silliest prayer, like Oh, I'm in a rush. Can you God, Can you find me a parking spot though it'd be really nice. Nothing wrong with that, Ok, if you have put it into perspective, not a big deal. I understand. If you don't give me the parking spot, not a big deal, but just the fact of involving God in the stupid little details of your annoying little life is salutary. It's salvific. It's bringing you indulgence. It's too if you remember to explicitly be aware of the fact that you. Qualify for indulgences every time you raise your thoughts to God, and that's what prayer is. So. Yes, Christianity is true and Yes, prayer is an effective method of healing, but don't get confused. While the messiness that karma entails karma in the Catholic sense of the word, disagree with one but a lot of Christians, and it seems like from the Bible that that would last one and I figured out what it was. I've got. I've got a crow. I've got another chrome tab open minimized and it has like a duck video playing. Tablet, like all a particular, there are definitely a few were times in my life where I'm like when I was particularly having like bad depression, mental health episodes, and you know like how Jesus always goes off in private to pray. Yeah, and I would always think like while I'm going to model my life after Jesus right, so I'm going to go off on a walk to some secluded area at fast as well look at fossil weakened and let go off on a walk into the woods or something, and just like praying the middle of nowhere and be like. I'm gonna try and get close to God. This'll help me deal with my depression and weirdly enough it. It never did like it better not used to really kind of rock me a little bit cause I was like. I'm sacrificing so much like starving myself and walking off into the middle of nowhere. This is just so much pride. Oh, look at how much of doing I'm fasting for two whole days and I took a long walk. Therefore you know I put the. That's the equivalent of putting in this much money into the vending machine and presto imo. I should have this result. This is my expectation I put in this much effort. This much suffering. I should get this result. It's called the pride of the. It's called pride, and it's also called the sin of presumption. You're presuming. God is not a vending machine. Stop treating God like a vending machine. It's no wonder your faith collapsed and had literally getting like no result from it and and you just find out more and how indented right, but pretty thoroughly, the and the other thing was also yet like talking of monks, If anyone's ever read the life of Antony, and by Athanasius, like also like the idea of what will obviously Anthony concerned with porn, but the idea of like porn and masturbation as well like. I like after every so often I like do that. Then I'd be like. I disagree. I think all of the monks suffer with pornography addiction. Because pornography just means the the art of prostitution. That's you know. Poor name in Greek means whore prostitute. Okay, so all men. I would say all men. I think it's safe to say all men struggle with the idea. Of sexuality, objectifying women and having this horror archetype, you know, because we have from even in New age or what you would call, what are these religions, called the Pagan religions and New Age religions. You have this imagery of these three archetypes, The hag, that's the wise old woman, and any but the Virgin. If you're one young and beautiful, but innocent, and then you've got the whore right, so I think there are different ways of of depicting these three archetypes, but it appears quite often and mythology. It appears in writing fictional writing fairy tales, and they sorts of things, and in terms of the sexual roles of women, these three archetypes are used to depict different phases of the woman's life from. Young virgin to the horror, to be wise, old woman. I don't subscribe to this as a meaningful characterization of the life of any woman, but I, my point here is that men carry in themselves the proclivity since the fall, a proclivity a cooper sense. If you will, for a sexual imagery that is inappropriate, and it's pornographic. It basically treats women as sex objects or horse. So I think all of the monks struggle with pornography, and I've read enough stories of the monks to know that affects it affects young men, middle aged men, and even the elderly, Their stories of the monks secluded off in the desert haven't had contact with the human for years, and then when a younger monk stumbles upon them or comes to visit them, the error surprise to learn often. Even these old men who have been secluded in her so holy so severe with the penances struggle with pornography in their own light, because Satan is in a assert, to a certain degree in charge of the theater of the mind with the imagery with the imagination, I know from firsthand experience how powerful this imagery can be it. It's its. Federal natural, It's very powerful. It affects the whole body. The blood starts pumping your. Your whole body is engaged. When this, when these powerful images torture you, and I've had. I've had plenty of experience with this. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Because it's just a. It's a feverish nightmare. I've had such been overwhelmed with demonic sexual content sort of like. Homemade pornography and this the only reason I was tempted by it to that degree is because I allowed myself to dabble in real pornography. Looking at it different to over the years of my life I've had experience with. But not recently recently, I've had. Or animal passions, his worldview followed suit very quickly and he's become an atheist. Because if you don't live according to your worldview, you you will soon adopt a worldview that matches the way that you live right, so very very dangerous, very very dangerous to allow yourself to stop struggling against what you know offends God and Nathan knew at a defender. While he was fasting all weekend, taking long walks, trying to do these voluntary penances, struggling against his evil inclinations is called Cooper sense, but he didn't feel that he was getting the rewards from God to he merited by his exertions, and so he let himself fall back into sin, and he very quickly lost his faith and curious today, and if you so. Very very dangerous stuff predicted that. Yes, at it. Let's praise God. If it doesn't work for his, got even more like. It's Yeah, Yeah, it's like that. This is the point you need to adjust your expectations right rather than saying. Oh, the vending machine is broken. I put my quarter in. I didn't get what I expected to come out right instead of treating God like a vending machine and being frustrated. Just kicking this vending machine and walking away back into your. Animal passions and your your sinful lifestyle, instead of doing that what you need to do is humble yourself and say, well, God, I trust in you and not getting the answers to my prayers that I expect, so perhaps I should adjust my expectations when it comes to prayer life, but one thing's for sure I have to continue struggling against my lower animal nature. I have to. Even if I never get consolation, even if I never get the sort of strength and power to completely stop sinning, I think it's unrealistic to expect to become essentially a impeccable, just because you fasted for a weekend and you took a long walk and you said some prayers. I think that's unrealistic. Right. You're going to have to struggle. It's a narrow path. It's a craggy path. It's a long and painful path to heroic virtue and to holiness and to heaven ultimate here, and yes, I guess you didn't address. It doesn't have to healing could be other things, as well like the spiritual and so forth that bitcoin, and yeah, some attention the tablecloths robot that I that have the financial crisis a result, so people actually studied scientifically, and I think that that's quite interesting, actually, because low elo people just have at the idea of doing it, but it does seem to me that he really believed the prayers in the second method of feeling that that should be. That should be saying that you can see like it. They should be more healings it. It's very basic point like it for heals people. Then you should find a great use people. When you look at people being here like I mean. It's not. It's not really that an outrageous claim, but what the St. James says in his Epistle in the Bible that your prayers are not answered, Cause they're not praying properly right, So how do you calibrate your test when you start hooking of electronic instruments to these people and saying, Oh, this one's getting calm when he prays? Oh, and all I could see this, The the brain activity is conducive. Two natural healing of various forms of cancer and so forth wow. That's amazing. Yeah, Well, this is very very narrow and limited approach to studying the effectiveness of prayer. Because we don't know what what's going on spiritually right. We don't know. We. We have no idea are many saints who suffer from cancer, The many saints who suffered from all kinds of debilitating and painful lifelong diseases, so that's not the measure of the holiness. If the person and their detachment from sin, their detachment from the world and from the creature right, that's not the measure, but even if you don't the people that used to build all the people who write for him that or get healed, and then salon, Soa, Yeah, I think it is interesting argument, and the version is cause you any strict belief, Admit the feeling cause. It'll be you know, and then I'm just thinking about about em one of the ways that people that that more conservative Christians who am circle with the cognitive dissonance around, probably one of the ways they smooth over that, and difficulty is probably like saying. Well, web the demonic forces, A more active got private stuff is more active, which is like you know like in Africa, and stuff like that, So there's like healing miracles. That just in the in the modern world isn't as much, but like no one I've got a friend who's gone on mission to Africa, and like it's I honestly is happening over Tonga. Like that's kind of where secularism end in our enlightened thinking. Reduce the human activity is at the idea, Yeah, and also produce, therefore reduces, the God also chooses not to act on as many prayers as well, instead of more secular societies to well, I think the comfortable. Place and see that we live in in the first world is not conducive to holiness. That's what I think I'm I'm not going to make any really bold claims other than that. I have a hunch that if you're comfortable as I am and complacent as I am, then you're not exactly going to be deep with your prayer life just as I am not deep with my parent like, and you're not going to be transforming yourself. And those around you with your holiness. That's just the way it is. That's why I'm not a saint. Because I'm comfortable and complacent and I've got the fresh drinkable water available. The twist of a fountain. Right twist of a fuck. Also, I've got all kinds of food available in my fridge or at the grocery store. It's not exactly a rough life, so this easy life he is not exactly conducive. To a spiritual life, Lustrous put it that way, so if you think about the miracles that are occurring in some backwater developing country, I think it makes sense that these people are existentially more alive. They're more connected. They have a sense of urgency. They have a sense of appreciation. They have a sense of gratitude to God for every clean cup of water that they are able to. Access, right the the medications that they have access to very limited. I could just walk into any pharmacy and get almost any over the counter. Medication quickly easily, and cheaply. I have a medical services available to me, got food, shelter, water, and education is just a. It's hard to be holy. This comfortable. That's my takeaway from this visible. Yeah, really really strange argument. That maybe that's another form of you're lucky. I mean there's a visible. A former. Have anthropological right the summit. As different of that sort are thinking of Oregon, Is on the go, It's just it's crazy and interactive version of the interviews, impressive price of cases, including size of excited, and not the volume it to the nearest cases which bears mythical the I expansion. This is a God does not formulate a response phase, inversion. Of course, patient knows when I caught her, projected a false thing, be true, The argument from lackluster revelation. That one. I quite like it. The Bible is inspired by God. He would contain much novel, scientific and practical knowledge may be ethical knowledge you got in years. Says who who is this one of the dogmas of your religion? That if the buyer? If the Bible was inspired by God, it would contain much novel, scientific and practical knowledge as a dumb dog, My, that's one of your dogmas. If it's not one of your dogmas, Then who by what authority do you say that this is the case it's ridiculous about is not getting much in the light novel, scientific and vital knowledge, because she had claimed it was either got to Christianity is false. Yeah, I'm I'm thinking again. It's going to be well. Look. The Bible Is what the Chicago statement. There's like a quotable sentence. Whatever you know, the Bible's good. For all it teaches to do with salvation or something to that degree, So why why would it contain? But but it really does and beg the question in blank. Quite the question. Begging fallacies sense in like the, it. It just is really questionable, and why God would like reveal all this like fake ass view stuff about like you know this this guy being a scroll with the earth being flat, and just weird stuff alongside his special revelation that Salvation is fair enough. You might do that, But like why why wouldn't he just like tell you that? Why won't you just be like? Would I call Jesus is gonna come into few things on the cross? But even have like why would I be all this like you know goofy stuff while you've got to like burn goats and their entrails in like march around a desert in like manner, and or you know, let let me think of the Old Testament. Although this article could have told him it could be actually useful. It's it's nothing like There's nothing about the germ theory of disease and even the concept of elements less, if even if stuff's useless Because God is trying to teach you what you need to know to be saved. Why don't you just go like you know Jesus in off. He sends. Believe him like why didn't he just tell them and I seen great like why? Why does he also like tell them all the stories? The heavily influenced by each and every step like Mesopotamian gods, and like flat earth worldview and stuff like that, just not as playable coming there, but I'm also the idea here is that this would be evidence for God's existence, which has why the article lackluster revelation, Because our God bucket of evidence himself much better by providing the sort of things, so as with any of these arguments that so -called arguments that they're trying to make here that focus on faith based beliefs, for example the scriptures. It's a faith based belief which must be necessarily founded on, built upon the certain knowledge of monotheism. You can't have Christianity without monotheism. So these boys are coming to examine some of the hairy questions of Christianity without having become mono. Theists by the application of the natural light of reason without recourse to faith, so this is just going to be my criticism throughout all of these distinctly Christian arguments, Right, It's like you're not in a position to judge because I am bewildered by Christianity, much of it, but I take it on the authority of the church because I believe that the church. Was instituted by the God man, Jesus Christ, and that he gave the Church the infallible authority to govern the church, and to give the infallible canon, and to give the dogmas of the church, which are divinely revealed, but unpacked and formulated by the Church, where the faithful night, so I, even though I find much of the Bible bewildering. It's not a problem for me because I know that my faith in Christianity and my faith in the Bible and my faith in all the messy, complicated and bewildering stuff that's part of the Christian faith will be properly. If I'm if I belonged to one true religion. It will be explained. It will be God's planned to me in heaven or at the judgment. Perhaps at my particular judgment or at the general judgment, I don't know how that works, but I, or maybe just in all eternity, it'll be. It'll be God's plain. For all eternity. That's what heaviness, and if God forbid, I belong to a false religion and it turns out Judaism or Islam or some other religion is the one true religion has to be monotheistic religions, obviously, but if Catholicism is not the one true religion, then. That too will be revealed to me, either all at once or gradually, or whenever it is an amusing analogy, spatiotemporal analogies, as always because of my finite creature, I live in a spatial temporal creation, but of course in eternity, we can't even imagine now what here below what it's like in eternity, So when I talk about having these things, God's planned for all eternity. That's just the use of analogy where we say forever and ever and ever will be going deeper and deeper into the mystery of the life of the Trinity while you're outside of time, so forever and ever and ever it is just to sort of imprecise way of talking, but we don't really have a choice here below, and so on, of course we can strengthen the argument by. Well, we can have the motivation, but also any forms. Don't you ever spoken to by Black Noble cited the interactive. You think all the people who wrote the novel Activation Saturday wasn't like that. It's like you know in the future, Jesus will return and highly the end of times, But it's like how long would that have not happened for for you to be justified in thinking. Actually it was false. Because like obviously it's never, it's kind of like. Am you know that The that in the accident, the decimal expansion of Pi. There are three sevens or something like that. It's like how many digits of pi, but you have to find before you were like justified in concluding, but you're never gonna find these like three to three consecutive seventh, and obviously there's no amount of digits that you can find that's going to like actually like justify you. Got is going to inform you that you're not. You know. The next three digits. You find out can be seven, seven seven, and there's there's no like point in time. We can say what he says is obviously not gonna come next, but it's like I shouldn't produce or credence. Like. Should we be thinking is like it's been two thousand years now and Jesus doesn't come back. Maybe maybe that was all just felt like I'd an ocean action that original credence over time, The longer it is like a robber rotor was he was saying What part of potable This is like climate change and stuff, So part of like Santa. Climate change. The Jesus is going to have to return before humanity, and destroys itself through climate change, a war or something like that, so I got him to commit to it like if humanity were to like. Destroy itself through like climate change, a war and Jesus had returned. Then he would like be forced to abandoned Christianity. Even though he you both dead, which is like away, but yeah, it is really weird. The kind of like the pretense that it, it, It does make you not like actually falsifiable once and I was never, so this question of also fire ability of Christianity is where Christianity is eminently falsifiable because there's so many dogmas, and if the church were ever to contradict. One of its own dogmas, or change one of its dogmas from formally and officially, or if manifest reality showed that any of these dogmas were not eternal immutable objective truths. Then we will know we would know at that point that Catholicism is false. Christ is a false messiah. He's not the christ. He's just a liar, lunatic or a mere legend. Some people think that Jesus didn't even exist. I think the evidence is overwhelming that Jesus did exist. But in any case if Catholicism as far off then Jesus is false. He's a false prophet, a false messiah, so Christianity is. Admittedly falsifiable trick people's free will, so people freely choose to destroy the through climate change or an even more dramatic maps or a nuclear war. Say that it seems the like Bob have stepped as what about Comic For that happens, Humans can actually make a choice that seems to be an Audi instance. Where like let's guy that got presently free. Will he call you make himself Morpheus or have better predictions, but then there's this very clear case. Where like nonstop Holocaust, the free will right, but then I've got to jump into an actual that that I'd just rather not of God can stop whatever he wants. It's a manifest reality that everything that has happened so far has actually happened. That's a manifest fact to manifest reality. Okay, so there's no point speculating. Could he have done differently or whatever I mean, is It is what it is like. I mean history has unfolded. All of the evil that has happened is permitted by a God's permissive will, but God is not. A contingent being and he does not, he is not his hand is never forced, right, He is never going to be in a pickle or a jam, or he's going to have to compromise and say. Oh, well, Oh the way humanity. It's going to put me in a real pickle. So now I have this you. I have to put a stop to this or whatever I mean, he, in his infinite wisdom, God allows what he allows, and he does not allow. It deems unworthy of allowing for the greatest good of each and individual. It's all about getting those who will ultimately say yes to him to heaven. Right, Does he know which of us ultimately are destined for heaven. Yes, He does that change the fact that we have free will, and then we freely choose know, Doesn't we are moving through time? We're a subjectively here as finite beings. We have the option moment to moment to do our will are to do God's will. We have that freedom that swept this creation is all about. It's about that freedom that we have to make better choices, But it's up to us. Moment to moment, It does God know each and every choice that we. I have made are making now and we'll make. Yes. He does. Does that change The fact that we are free. No, it does not cause. God is not just a big man in the sky. God created our human nature. God created the natural world. God created our free will. Okay, He's above Oliver, and he was not frustrated in his design when he made nature, or when he gave us free will. It was not frustrated and he's never ever ever surprised by anything including the choices that we find surprising here below, and it's like a reductio in you know, like his is like the murdering kind reductio to relocate and heaven, and like Aunt Christine's morally obligated to cause nuclear war in order to make Jesus come back and bring in the New Haven's in the Us. We can never do evil so that good may come of it. This is the perennial Catholic teaching. It's moral theology, Wanna what? Well, that's even better because I'm going to that they couldn't actually do it right. God would let them actually do it. Unlike the better it gets radically after that or that they'd have to actually do it, so they'd have to launch the missiles, and then what actually happened. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Exactly, that's interesting. It's just like like you're playing a game of chicken with God. It's like Yeah, we are playing chicken with God. That's the whole or a fire reality of our situation. Free and rational beings. I have to free yourself from your prejudices and from your knee jerk reactions to these texts. There are much richer richer and deeper than any other form of literature you've ever encountered, but two thousand years later he told him that they'd be like a crazy, said it's about to vomit that lacklustre election. I, it, now, this is not that is gathered again from left liberally on and done. I think it's actually want to that we think that probably be totally separated lovers. So no one who loves another can be perfectly happy. They know that their beloved is suffering. In hell. I disagree. I think that we will be aware. I have the perfect justice of God and we will see, because God will have God's planed it to us the freedom that those in Hell had and each and every instance where they abused their free will and how they were perverted, and how they were evil, meaning falling away from their own nature, falling away from. Everything that is good and the source of everything that is good. That's got. They're falling away from that. With every abuse of their free will make you seen any place that people didn't have anyone that we have been aware that their beloved is in hell before Mr. Personality is false. Now obviously like if you just present in this fall, I crossings reject it, but I think in terms of like dialoguing with Christians that this can be pretty effective, so especially if they felt like an atheist kid or something like that, right You can say well, You know you've got you don't like your ram. Your son or daughter who has left the faith. Do you think you're going to be like happy in heaven while while there is only suffering, and how I think it can be really difficult for them to honestly say that. Yes, They will. I mean obviously likely indoctrination stuffing cocaine, and they'll be like you know the kind of like maybe sight words, but don't really believe it, but I think just from a from an emotional point of view, this can be pretty powerful for getting people to commit to and. For getting people to at least like Stop started questioning some of those things like, but I guess you. If brought something to the issues, right If I've generally blue, Theism was true. They're going to say well. This just begs the next question of season because women have, and of course I can be happy. Right. It'll like like groceries gonna make the mistake of a, so so as I am actually happy, even though you don't know, I'm just going be thinking about, or maybe I'll tell you a story about Cs. Lewis's great divorce, Wherein that there is this chapter, Where does this woman who was a Christian and her husband was an atheist, and like she is, she comes down and like this, I would address whatever and bezel like animals around her kind of like a scene out of like cab. It's white or something, and and he like he's there And what? What? What's the picture That title? Oh, Yeah, there's like a body and then there's like it's holding a chain, and then like he's chained to himself or something, and and like he talks, kind of like demonic and stuff from the video you're watching this isn't this isn't the great divorce and she's kind of like. Oh you knew, and you're like. Why can't you just choose the good whatever and he's like. I don't like it here, but I just got Jews the girl because I hate myself for something and it's like you start the ideas like he's chained to his voices that he just caught like Go to heaven or whatever, and then she and then because she's got like a super healthy attitude, it's like she's kind of like. Well, you know Christianity through. I can convince you are going to have to move on and she just goes off to heaven and he goes off the hell. Whatever, and like, I guess you can be like well. That's plausible, but I'd like, but just didn't seem like reality. Like. If you actually love someone. I don't think you're going to the promise. Want none know that can be perfectly obvious. I know that they'd love to suffering helped, but the time for repentance is now, and the place for repentance is here in this finite created world, right so? You can't have your cake and eat it. Too. You can't make that sort of category error Where you apply the logic of this world to the logic of the afterlife, right, Because this is the time. This is the place for conversion and repentance. Once we make it to heaven, God, willing, we will of course be joyful and ecstatic about everything because we will understand at that point we will. I have transcended space -time and we will have a certain God's eye view on that forty object, which is all of spacetime, with all of it's complicated, shifting, ever shifting configurations of matter energy, and we will appreciate it. I will see if the that it's very good as God says in Genesis, it's very good. And that includes the eternal destiny of each and every rational creature. It's very good. The way it plays out is very good. Would it be better? If every rational creature said yes to God's will and no to his own well, Yes, I think that would be better. That's as I'm fond of saying it's a dogma of the Church that God created a good world, but God could have created better world. God could force our hand. God could. God could, as the atheist are fond of saying that God could have created robots that trusts mechanically love him, but is that better. I don't think that's a better world. I think that's the. It's not. If. If long as I keep saying, if love is not free, it's not love and I don't I don't want to be a robot robot. I don't want to be compelled. I don't want to be an automaton. So I think. At the way God did it is the most, I don't just think I know voice as a as a fact and immutable objective fact, a divine truth. It the way God is as created, the way he sustaining, and the way that he's managing our decisions, because he does intervene with miracles and with. Preventing us from making huge mistakes, or we can use our free will only within very tight constraints and bounds that are set up for our greatest good bye, God. Just like Satan has he enjoys a certain amount of free will even mao until the end of time, but there are major constraints placed on Satan and the games that he's playing in order to gather souls for help. If God were to loosen those constraints, then we would have a lot more hellish nightmare soon scenarios here below here on Earth, and so we know that God is good, and we know that the way he's managing our choices without taking away our free will, which is the way he manages the constraints on Satan's free will, the free will of the demons, the free will of the humans that are here struggling. Two struggling for virtue, hopefully struggling for holiness, and those who are struggling or less than noble ends, for example sex drugs, rock roll, power money, whatever it is, that, thereafter here below pleasure, generally speaking to do their own will, and to avoid God to deny God to lie from God. In every way possible, in order to maximize what they perceive as their highest good here below eat drink and be merry. For tomorrow we die. That sort of lifestyle is also managed not micromanage, but it is managed by other constraints, put on the choices of the of the pedophiles, the choices of the power hungry politicians, the incompetent medical staff. There are constraints put on the damage done by people in all walks of life, criminals, murderers, rapists, all these sorts of dark lifestyles. Those in the mafia organized crime, all kinds of constraints placed on their free will, but they are nonetheless free, and that freedom is subject to abuse. What even the abuse is limited because otherwise I mean we would see a lot more darkness here on earth? But they're as it stands right now. We have little glimpses of heaven, little hips, little glimpses of hell, and everything in between. I even think that God would like a race that knowledge of of you like that kind of seems I got making like cause like I didn't worry about it. That they're not really. They're gonna thing, and obviously some persons are just gonna say Like watching a bird. It's can increase might be attitudes can be lovely. Like it used to be like you're a monster, like your religion has to has like distorted your moral intuition, so much as already committed to these theological propositions that like you've just become like an all your awful human, who like beliefs, terrible things like against a category error of applying our thinking here below to the thinking in the afterlife, and vice versa, If we can't do that here, Of course we have to have compassion. We have to pray for those who are on a dangerous road to hell. We need to intervene for those who are in any kind of danger. When we have the opportunity, when it's appropriate to act, if you see someone that's about to fall into a ditch. You have a responsibility to help them prevent them from falling into the ditch. Now you don't need to go sticking your nose in everyone's business. But when you're aware of a situation where it's appropriate for you to act, you have to act, but once this period of pilgrimage and trial is over, we will enjoy. The knowledge that some people that know to god. They're burning in hell. For all eternity, imagine now we change that from heaven to like. I'm in order to like implement the final solution to bring about heaven on earth. Like we need to obey. Attitudes need to be increased by watching the burning of degenerates in like death camps or something like it is just so messed up, but again it's a misapplication of two completely different worlds, this world and the next world you can't do that. You can't apply. We're thinking of eternity to the thinking in this pilgrimage, just a the knowledge of the people who are left about the people that I just said. Oh, yeah, well, just like a needle, or at least this one is actually kind of on a bit personal for me, Because that be a few questions that I've no idea what sort of like close to and I expressly consented nook can't like. It's painful to think about going to hell and so forth, but and I actually think this is. We are forbidden to despair of our own salvation. We are forbidden to despair of any one salvation. We have to have the have the utmost confidence in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, Because the price has already been paid. We know that there's sufficient grace for each and every one of us, so there's no point losing any sleep over the salvation of your friends, family or neighbors. Whatever there's no point, it's actually a sin to despair of someone else's salvation. Right, It's also a sin to presume you're Home salvation, salvation of anyone else, it's a sin to despair. It's a sin to presume, so what do we need to do? We need to act in such a way that it does not offend God. That means constantly interceding through prayer and through good works, so that as many people as possible make better and better choices, ultimately leading them to have that there's a medical need isn't ever decreasing are concerned about, like non Christians, especially people like me, who just about Atheist. And so they can either reject the idea like I could drink the Christian beliefs or at least that was about gentle constantly. Whatever the initial think, it should be the vessels. What I can only do that right or that can just order commit themselves at all. Like like I just like to try to distance yourself. You tried to not care about you Don't necessarily like consciously. I'm saying. But it's just like because of the dissonance. Is. This is a false dichotomy. I just outlined how we're not allowed to sin on one extreme despair or the other extreme presumption. Right, we need to walk the middle path which is being alert. Where responsible, free, rational, sane neighbors to our neighbors, the the story of the good Samaritan, Read the story of the good Samaritan, He's not laughing at the misfortune of the man who was robbed, and he is not presuming that God will take care of it, or you know suffering is good or anything. I know he's taking action, which is appropriate and compassionate and he made self sacrifice, and this is what we're called to do as human beings, right, So we don't despair. We don't presume we just act in love period, but easy for them. If they can just sort of you know distance itself from you in a way like like emotionally distant Celtic, and I feel like that might be a factor in some of the trends that I've had, which was like as has been automated. I, I think that this is like a particular hovel. Not this argument like this. Is aspect of like identical, genetically quite young, quite damaging were told to distance ourselves from bad Catholics, those who claim to have our faith, but they act contrary to our faith in a way that is persistent in that resists correction, right, Those are the only ones were taught to shun and to avoid like the plague because non -catholics don't have the same responsibility. They don't have the same knowledge. Right now, of course, it's going to depend with these bad catholics. How much they know what kind of kind of cases. They've had what sort of education even for by priests like what sort of experience do they have at their sap seminary. All of these seminaries are just basically like club med for a bunch of homosexual men get exclusive sex club, right, So someone that comes out of that seminary is ill formed to put it mildly. We need to pray for these people. Necessarily blame them, although you know I, if I found myself in that sort of seminary, which are quickly leave and try to find the one that was actually Catholic. Yeah, Yeah, so they the motivation to that now divine unfairness. Sorry, this is another argument that I've reconstructed, and I had to abbreviate quite, because it was rather long, so hopefully I didn't abuse or do much of any of those who die before the age, accountability. What did he said that today so under Christian teachings and those who thoughtfully, I just can't believe I disable the not safe. If they're not say, you've got treats him unfairly because I didn't have a chance to follow him right, but as I also got treats everyone as unfairly because they wouldn't have a chance to reject God, either, so if I was gonna count tree every one, Oh yuck, I guess I could, If said the waivers. He was God, But what cannot treat anyone unfairly Okay, So if you've ever read the parable of the eleventh hour workers and they got the same wages. If the people that had been there from the early morning, sweating in the sun, and the boss says well, can I can I not be generous with those who only worked for one hour. Is that not my rent to give them the same wage that I promised you, and by the way I'm giving you exactly the wage that we've read on, So are my ways unfair, says the Lord, or are not your ways rather unfair. Therefore, and on an increasingly I get you take on Canal Street, and on the failure, because you, you could, you could put it in terms of like God is perfectly just right, but but there's nothing that anyone can do to be saved. It's purely by God's grace, which is completely unearned and undeserved Another problem with this art, so called argument from divine unfairness. Is that if you're baptized, and you have not yet reached the age of accountability, you go to heaven, but if you're not baptized. I mean you have you have to be baptized from from the human perspective. You have to be baptized to go to App. So if you choose not to baptize your children, that is a grave sin worthy of damnation, but from God's point of view, God. Can save, of course, God can. Save someone who is not baptized, and God does I believe does and has saved many who were not baptized. We have for example the baptism of desire. We have the baptism of blood. We have this a good thief on the cross. He was not baptized, So there are all kinds of baptisms. There's not just the sacramental baptism with water. So this question of not having reached the age of accountability doesn't tell the whole story, cause there's that whole idea of baptism that we need to sort out, and then there's the extra layer of complexity of different types of baptism, and then there's the other layer of complexity whereby we make a proper distinction between. Our rights and responsibilities as creatures and God's prerogatives as creator, Right, so when the church says you must be baptized to be saved, and you must baptize your children. That's a rule given by God's Church to us and there's no way around it for us. From our human perspective. We cannot disregard it with impunity. What God is not a creature God is not subject to the church. God is above the church. God is the source of the church. So the rules is rules do not apply to him. Because he's not a member of the church. He's not a finite creature subject to the church. Right. He's not subject to the church. He is the church. He is that authority. He is that truth is that goodness that people are saying. But then you know like some, some people aren't say, and this is like entirely the decision of God, whose alleged, the this is about accountability, evaluate, yet you took beautiful holidays. Well, I think that the people are like opinions going to say that it is sort of up to you in a sense, but it's also would you that God. I've never upset at myself. I've had many conversations about that, but yet that's a good point. Actually, I mean that that that follow straightforward from cowardice, but I think it actually falls from Arminianism as well At least the ways out there to articulate it cause like what you can't just decide to accept God. He has to change a hot, but you have to accept that, but you won't accept it unless you changed your hot body contractor Hot. Unless you accept series. I've had this attitude like it just makes sense to me, but Yeah, that's a good point. Actually. That's what like me trying to get at. It's actually just saying like if those. It's not get around the free, blah, blah, saying I, what about those who die before they can become accountable Okay because I savor got treated unfairly. But if they don't say portraits in my family, so either way, I think someone on the failure, but God cannot treat anyone on fairly unappreciated default. Christianity is false, yet now that there's gonna be some people who are obviously committed to, and people who have babies and children, etc, being accountable and inheriting that original sin, and maybe some you know that that those who are going to say that you just relocated to heaven, and then what about the unborn Yeah specs much alike, but but like the play this argument is it, it's it doesn't matter which case it is, so if they say you've got treats everyone else on failing. Cause I didn't have the check. The people who are that you see. If you're a monotheistic. You know that God is all good. He's perfect in every way that It's he is infinite in every perfection that it's better to have than not to have, and justice and wisdom and fairness are pure perfections. So all this becomes absolutely laughable and moot once you. I understand who and what God is That's why this seven and a half hours as a complete waste of time for ability didn't have a chance rejected. Where did they not say that Treat them tell the middle knowledge is to get out of jail free for this one Because they would say well. He doesn't feel about that because he would have. They would have rejected him under other alternate viewpoints I dunno, If it is actual paper that adopt different how to responsibly little knowledge. It might have actually. But if it did, I'm not sure what was beautiful, and there's a possible. Whatever the case, Either of the motels with the Christianity is false narratives. Okay, I'm going to leave it there. I've done just over an hour. Now. I'm at three hours. Two minutes and fifty seconds of their seven hour monstrosity. All come back and do some more whenever I have the opportunity, I would do it all day everyday if I didn't have to work my boring job, but I do have to work, so I'll just do this whenever the opportunity presents itself and I about an hour or two free. Thanks for watching, take care of yourselves and we'll talk soon. God bless.