Catholic vs. Buddhist – 2017-01-24 – Lama Jigme Gyatso

This is my first ever Skype interview. I am happy with the sound quality. I contacte Lama Jigme Gyatso after I saw his interview on the Fallen State with Jesse Lee Peterson. I enjoyed our chat.


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0:00 hello this is vomiting makiato and
0:02 you’re listening to Catholic versus
0:03 Buddhist please tell the listener a
0:09 little bit about who you are what you
0:11 believe and why you believe it my name
0:13 is Lama and jigna gyatsu that translates
0:17 through the bed into English as ocean of
0:20 courage teacher in the path to
0:24 enlightenment you got a mama taught that
0:28 essentially each Lama is his own lineage
0:32 which means as a llama Irie don’t
0:36 represent the NEMA or the rimae or
0:38 Tibetan Buddhists or Buddhist at large I
0:41 just represent my personal experience in
0:44 this moment and if someone has only
0:49 spent decades that in Buddhism but also
0:51 gal ism I no longer believe in belief
0:57 belief ostensibly is a contrivance a
1:02 rigidity of both intellect and emotion
1:06 and it’s usually used consciously or
1:11 unconsciously as an N run towards a
1:15 specific goal the problem is to truly
1:18 complete a lot ego such as full
1:21 enlightenment or great sainthood one
1:24 means to transcend that rigidity and
1:29 dwell and state of vulnerable fluid
1:33 centered spontaneity which is in direct
1:38 opposition to the rigidity which is the
1:41 foundation of safe and such a
1:45 spontaneity we follow the information
1:48 where it leads us and it’s not non
1:51 linear path it is a circuitous path what
1:56 comes to mind for me are some of the
1:57 great Catholic saints two or mystics and
2:00 what they said is that that rigid belief
2:02 is a temporary thing it’s like a ladder
2:05 that you climb in n you discard it you
2:07 kick it away once you’ve reached that
2:08 enlightenment that you’re talking about
2:10 so the great things I think are in
2:12 with you that belief in and of itself is
2:15 not the thing of course the great irony
2:18 is that when it comes to politics so
2:20 when it comes to the spiritual path the
2:23 great Saints are seldom people with
2:26 power they do not chase after power they
2:29 simply are men and women of wisdom and
2:31 love however those least worthy of
2:35 leadership aspire to it with the most
2:38 ferocity I think if you read the lives
2:41 of the Pope’s you’ll see that the great
2:44 Pope’s didn’t want to be elected they
2:46 resisted the charge that was foisted on
2:48 them sometimes to the point of running
2:51 back ups and out into their little cave
2:53 I am certainly a San of our current Pope
2:56 okay yeah he says he’s a popular guy
2:59 there’s a lot of criticism on the right
3:01 yeah which I find amusing I don’t put
3:07 myself right or left I just consider
3:10 myself Christian and left and right
3:13 aren’t really that useful I usually ask
3:15 my guests a little bit about their past
3:17 can you talk a little bit about your
3:19 childhood it was there any connection
3:20 with God or religion Buddhism we discuss
3:24 the fine aggregate of clinging to pain
3:29 in the causes of pain and in reverse
3:32 order the first would be mood and the
3:35 second would be story and so many of the
3:39 great Saints only go in the story to
3:42 illustrate a point because the price of
3:46 going in the story is to sever ourselves
3:50 from the here and the now which is where
3:53 we make contact with the Holy Spirit or
3:56 in terms of Buddhism dejar Micaiah I
3:59 actually came to Christianity through
4:02 solecism I don’t know if you know what
4:03 that is so Susan if i recall correctly
4:05 is the school of thought that says we
4:08 can only really know reality through our
4:10 self through our perceptual organs and
4:14 our filters upon those perceptual organs
4:17 am I getting close to it yeah the actual
4:20 word is the combination of toward Soleil
4:22 it’s a
4:23 only I am so it’s all about me me me I
4:27 am you know I don’t know if you know in
4:29 the Old Testament when God reveals his
4:31 true name to Moses he said I am so
4:34 that’s the God that I worship I am but
4:37 at one point I thought that I was I am
4:39 that’s what solecism is that was very
4:42 elegant distillation can you relate as a
4:46 Buddhist bernal well I love the first
4:49 movie The Matrix in the middle part of
4:52 the movie he’s confronted with his
4:54 identity as the one and he rejection he
4:57 was he just doesn’t feel like he’s up
4:59 for the task in the words of the Oracle
5:01 and a paraphrase you’ve got the gift but
5:04 maybe you’re waiting for your next life
5:06 and it wasn’t until he found something
5:10 more than himself that his mentor’s life
5:14 was in danger then he was able to get
5:17 out of his own way and become the one
5:20 and my understanding is that being in
5:25 our own way is a common denominator of
5:29 the human condition and that compassion
5:34 can rescue us from that and compassion
5:38 is about other the highest compassion is
5:42 spontaneous non referential it comes
5:46 from a place of central spontaneity so
5:49 when we practice the union is sent in
5:50 spontaneity and compassion it’s the
5:52 opposite of South Scism where we are
5:55 just continuously flowing and
5:59 automatically meeting means directly or
6:03 indirectly and to me that’s the juicy
6:07 stuff that’s the stuff that makes my
6:09 mouth water some Mahayana Buddhists use
6:15 the phrase Buddha nature I think we
6:17 could talk st. Francis associate nature
6:20 there are so many wonderful archetypes
6:24 many of the stories of san francis are
6:28 wonderfully inspiring and they can fuel
6:31 our growth where is the morality in
6:34 Buddhism and where is the free will
6:36 where does that come
6:37 or does it exist at all okay so that’s
6:40 an excellent question now free littles
6:43 typically a question of theistic
6:45 religions and a religion that’s
6:48 non-theistic that really isn’t the
6:51 question so let’s deal with morality so
6:55 most people are familiar with Buddha’s
6:57 first sermon maybe this has been talking
7:00 humanities is basically this four truths
7:02 and eight sub points before ideas are
7:06 there suffering it’s not renamon has a
7:08 cause there is freedom from eternity of
7:13 suffering it too is not random it also
7:15 has causes those causes can fit into
7:19 three headings which would be in sight
7:22 action and meditation and so those can
7:26 flash out into a total of eight
7:28 different points and so under the
7:30 morality a great buddhist saint named
7:33 comments on a simplified the hundreds of
7:37 morality scriptures and to just four
7:41 points to maintain an enthusiasm for the
7:45 path to maintain our strive for
7:49 harmlessness number three to strive for
7:53 sharing kindness and then before
7:57 rational devotion for once teacher are
8:00 the teachings that’s the essence of all
8:04 the hundreds of moralistic or ethical
8:08 rules that may or may not have been
8:11 inspired over the ages there is a
8:14 passage in the New Testament which I’ve
8:17 forgotten perhaps you remember which one
8:20 it is where it says the essence of the
8:23 law is love I think it’s in the Gospels
8:25 when I devote jus asks Jesus what is the
8:29 greatest law is there were supposed to
8:32 love thy neighbor as thyself yeah he
8:34 said that the first law is to love God
8:36 with all your heart strength minds and
8:37 soul and the second one is like it love
8:39 your neighbor as yourself that’s
8:40 wonderful because you can think of
8:42 devotion as a vertical relationship you
8:46 can think of love for one’s fellow
8:48 beings as a horizontal relation
8:51 chip which can be eloquently symbolized
8:54 with the two lines I’m across I want to
8:59 talk a little bit about the Ten
9:01 Commandments I’m very excited by them ok
9:03 I see sort of Buddhist ideas in my
9:06 interpretation now I have to say is the
9:09 sort of disclaimer that if any of my
9:11 opinion is different from the church
9:12 then I’ll gladly change my opinion to
9:13 align with the church that’s the nature
9:15 of my religion I have to conform to the
9:17 truth of Jesus Christ and His Church not
9:19 the other way around right well I think
9:21 it’s very good that you’ve set space for
9:24 humility and flexibility that makes it
9:26 safe to explore flights of fancy yeah
9:30 one of my explorations in the Ten
9:31 Commandments is that there are two
9:34 Commandments the love of God and love of
9:36 neighbor and when people ask Jesus what
9:39 is the love of God he said if you love
9:40 God keep his Commandments so there are
9:43 two Commandments love of God and love of
9:45 neighbor love of God is keep the
9:46 commandments in the two Commandments
9:48 local garden level neighbor love of God
9:49 is keep the commandments and the two
9:51 Commandments local garden love of
9:52 neighbor and love of God is keeping the
9:54 commandments and what you’re left with
9:56 basically is the love of neighbor that’s
9:59 the outlet all of that energy goes into
10:01 that real world where we’re present and
10:04 we’re dealing with the starving the
10:05 underprivileged or with those that are
10:07 in prison the widow and it’s all for the
10:10 love of God because the love of God we
10:11 can’t put a meal on a table we can’t put
10:14 a coat on it back so it’s sort of the
10:16 opposite of mysticism but it’s fueled by
10:18 mysticism because we are put directly
10:20 right into this messy world to deal with
10:23 responsibilities we have to take care of
10:25 our neighbor imagine in your mind’s eye
10:28 a horizontal line with a dot on each end
10:31 at one extreme we have contrivance and
10:35 on the other extreme we have chaos you
10:40 know there will be effective externally
10:44 or internally they won’t give us peace
10:47 and we’ll give others happiness in the
10:51 middle point between the two extremes we
10:53 have this place of centered spontaneity
10:56 and that’s how we can do the greatest
11:00 good for others by walking in
11:04 the spirit which is of course easier
11:07 said than done but with the current
11:11 technological advancements as they are
11:13 today we already have a technology make
11:19 sure that every human being is clothed
11:22 said how educated and given access the
11:29 healthcare what we lack is that it’s not
11:33 that we don’t love people is that we
11:35 love money so much more and of course
11:38 I’m reminded about the first chapter
11:40 Sermon on the Mount worships God or
11:43 Mammon well humanity has chosen Mammon
11:48 we’ve chosen to compete rather than
11:51 cooperate they’ve chosen greed rather
11:55 than giving and university studies have
12:00 shown across the board you always
12:03 accomplish the greatest achievements
12:05 through cooperation not for competition
12:09 when we look at the Star Trek the
12:11 original series that came out in the 60s
12:14 the aliens would not make contact with
12:17 the species until they grown up to the
12:21 point of ceasing to be predatory with
12:24 each other because if someone’s prayer
12:26 towards each other and they become a
12:28 spacefaring entity not made predatory
12:30 with other planets and that’s not warm
12:33 and fuzzy humanity needs to have a
12:36 collective spiritual birthday and needs
12:39 to become intoxicated with love and
12:43 compassion to cooperation and creative
12:46 thinking creative problem solving we
12:49 already have the ability the resources
12:52 and make sure that all means were men
12:55 now all we need is the collective will
12:59 to do so and the two greatest aspects is
13:03 that you’ve mentioned devotion and love
13:05 are integral to doing that which is what
13:10 I’m so glad that your current hope seems
13:12 to really be taking the example of
13:14 Christ to heart sneaking out of the
13:17 little night
13:18 poor and two ministers routines that’s
13:22 beautiful his enthusiasm not to be a
13:25 condemning over to encourage rule of in
13:29 just the right direction he’s such the
13:32 polar opposite of America’s new
13:35 president hahaha the Pope did give a
13:40 welcoming message or a congratulatory
13:41 message to trump and he’s praying for
13:44 Trump good I think we should all pray
13:47 that whoever the president is assume you
13:49 should always serves up to the
13:51 individuals wisdom and love and house in
13:55 fact I think that’s a wonderful
13:57 universal prayer because I don’t think
13:59 there’s anybody wakes up and says oh
14:01 damn it I’m just too wise I’m just
14:03 tripping over my wisdom I gotta scrape
14:05 some of those lose them off no one has a
14:08 wisdom compassion or health sir play so
14:11 what I do want to say for the record
14:14 that because I’m a political and I don’t
14:16 have my finger on the pulse of the
14:17 spirit of the age I don’t follow
14:19 politics I do like Donald Trump I don’t
14:22 trust him but I don’t trust anyone I
14:23 don’t even trust the Pope I trust God
14:25 when I give the benefit of the doubt to
14:26 the post that pokes classic and he’s
14:28 doing you know it seems to be doing a
14:30 good job and I give the benefit of the
14:31 doubt to trump may be converted to
14:34 pro-life I don’t know god only knows I
14:36 give them the benefit of the doubt the
14:37 nice thing is that you and I aren’t
14:39 burdened with the mantle of judging
14:43 others all they gotta do is see them and
14:47 love them you know and which if she will
14:49 disagree with us fine we can just see
14:52 them and love them there’s this
14:54 wonderful book I was exposed to a
14:55 wonderful phrase called naked awareness
14:57 and I first came across this title many
15:00 decades ago I was all excited about whoo
15:02 naked awareness this has got to be about
15:05 naughty naughty Tantra no it wasn’t
15:08 naked awareness was just a metaphor for
15:12 vulnerability it’s been completely
15:14 vulnerable not trying to protect
15:17 ourselves with preconceptions on labels
15:22 categories judgments and that that
15:26 degree of vulnerability is not only a
15:28 tool to axe
15:30 the higher stages of the path but also a
15:33 barometer of our progress upon the
15:36 higher stages in path look at the
15:40 vulnerability of san francis assisi
15:42 contrast that with the soft protection
15:45 of tomás de Torquemada of the
15:47 Inquisition both believe the Apostles
15:51 Creed but the apply it radically
15:53 different what comes to mind is the
15:55 image that Jesus used of the seed if the
15:59 seed doesn’t die it can’t grow that seed
16:03 has to give ways to the plant that is
16:05 potential in it well that sounds a lot
16:08 like surrender it sounds a lot like
16:11 letting go of self-protection letting go
16:14 of self-identity which seems to be a
16:18 universal truth of metaphysics found not
16:22 just in prison them or Buddhism but also
16:26 in Taoism also in shamanism around the
16:30 world and it seems like it’s a universal
16:33 wisdom that the more we tried to protect
16:36 yourselves the more we harm ourselves
16:37 and the less we try to protect your
16:40 sounds from a place of centeredness the
16:43 more safe we are we need to whoa we need
16:47 to let go constantly and if you hold on
16:50 to yourself or your your ideas or your
16:53 love or anything your beliefs anything
16:55 if you hold on to them they will rot so
16:58 this this to me sounds very Buddhist are
17:00 all Buddhist United in something or are
17:03 they all completely unique and different
17:05 as i mentioned that’s the forefront dry
17:08 lama Todd that every Lama is his own
17:11 sect so you could say that all Buddhists
17:16 have an affinity for the Four Noble
17:19 Truths but they don’t own beyond the
17:22 distinction of goodies to non-buddhist
17:23 you can say all sentient being hate pain
17:28 and walk pleasure all living beings you
17:32 know me they amoeba or be they blue
17:36 whale however they define pleasure can
17:39 want more of it however they define pain
17:42 they would like less of it
17:44 but ironically their behaviors and their
17:46 beliefs take them often in opposite
17:49 direction take them further away from
17:51 pleasure and keep her in the pain we’ve
17:55 all done that but a man who’s overweight
17:58 who reads a dining book like absent
18:01 mindedly eating a bag of Oreos you know
18:05 he wants to have the pleasure of health
18:07 but he’s undermining and during the
18:10 health by mindless eating the Orias that
18:12 could be a metaphor for most of us live
18:15 our lives what came to mind when you
18:17 were talking just now a lot of things
18:19 but one of them had to do with Jesus
18:22 suffering he chose to suffer and die for
18:24 our redemption but when it came time to
18:27 suffer he actually prayed to the Father
18:29 if it’s possible take this cup away from
18:32 me but not my will be done your will be
18:34 done and there is so much wisdom that’s
18:38 often forgotten in that passage we look
18:41 at Christ there were a wonderful to post
18:44 grandma’s what a wonderful example for
18:46 us he was completely aware of the
18:51 conflict emotions within him and that
18:55 did not make him laugh the Son of God in
18:58 fact it could be argued that what made
19:01 him the way the truth light was the fact
19:04 that he was aware of all that was going
19:09 on within his heart whether it was
19:11 glorious for there was grotesque jump
19:15 toward two millennia and Carl Gustav
19:18 Jung taught that the way the shadow self
19:21 overcomes us is cured assumption and our
19:25 greatest tool against our shadow self or
19:28 what Paul called the old man was to be
19:32 aware of what’s going on inside our
19:34 distress inside our heart inside our
19:36 minds so the Christ in that passage was
19:40 illustrating that through example i was
19:42 showing his complete awareness of all
19:44 the emotions his love for all humanity
19:47 is going to bring them into a saved
19:50 state and his self concern I love that
19:56 James
19:56 Cameron did not ride the New Testament
19:58 because if he did he would have been the
20:03 Terminator completely one-dimensional it
20:05 wasn’t he was multi-faceted just like
20:09 you are just like aliens it’s like we
20:10 all just like your neighbor’s cat is and
20:12 I think that’s one of the most beautiful
20:15 things in New Testament what also came
20:18 to mind when you were talking earlier
20:19 was about the contrast because I
20:21 initially asked you our all Buddhist
20:23 alike and he said well everyone sort of
20:25 doing their own thing and he can’t
20:26 really categorize but I what came to
20:28 mind when you were talking earlier was
20:29 John the Baptist was so strict and he
20:33 was eating wild honey and locusts and he
20:35 wasn’t drinking and then Jesus was
20:37 drinking with the prostitutes and tax
20:39 collectors and you know they ran out of
20:40 wine and when he came to the wedding at
20:42 Cana you know that’s right that’s any
20:44 indication but the Jews the strict sort
20:48 of rigid Jews of the day which Jesus
20:51 referred to as hypocrites they were
20:53 criticizing John for one extreme for
20:56 being too strict and they were
20:57 criticizing Jesus for not being strict
20:58 enough the sort of underlying message we
21:01 can find fall if we want to find fault
21:02 we will find fault and that finding
21:05 fault really is sort of a symptom of a
21:07 deeper hypocrisy and Mahayana Buddhism
21:11 there is discussion given to the five
21:14 poison and those would be simply plant
21:18 greed hate confusion jealousy and pride
21:25 and there’s all kinds of finer points
21:27 that can go into and it’s been my
21:30 experience that being critical if it’s
21:32 amped up with great emotion it’s
21:36 probably being driven on the five
21:38 poisons whereas if it’s centered it’s
21:42 probably being German by compassion for
21:44 instance you know you can see so on
21:46 drinking too much wine and if in place
21:48 of compassion might think I can have
21:51 such a headache tomorrow oh you don’t
21:54 think there’s no condemnation there’s
21:56 just concerned right or oh I hope you
21:59 take some uber home I hope you get some
22:01 safely there’s no hatred whereas if
22:04 their aims anger involved if there is
22:07 you know that son of a bitch is drinking
22:09 heav
22:10 embarrassment to his road then that’s a
22:14 completely different place and it brings
22:17 us back to 1st we’re at you 13 you worry
22:21 read man hat does not have love he has
22:23 nothing you have things a huge word is
22:25 all inclusive and included salvation so
22:30 we there is no time for boredom there is
22:33 so much to do with our own hearts and
22:36 with our own minds anytime you’re aware
22:40 of a critical lesson in our heart that’s
22:44 such an opportunity to lump inside our
22:47 own heart roll up our sleeves and go to
22:50 work if anything where the Holy Spirit
22:54 is kind enough to show us the rage of a
22:57 bitterness or the envy and our heart
23:00 that is a gift because that means we’ve
23:03 been given the opportunity not to be
23:05 bluntly controlled by those things but
23:09 to work with them it brings to mind a
23:14 competition which is that we can give
23:16 everything to Jesus so if you find
23:19 yourself falling into temptation in any
23:21 kind of way even if it’s the most
23:22 trivial thing like you know you’re
23:24 married and you’re looking at someone
23:25 else’s wife with lust in your eyes you
23:29 don’t turn that into a Woody Allen
23:30 complex and internal turmoil and
23:32 perversion you just give it to Jesus you
23:35 say yeah I’m weak and you give it up you
23:37 know it’s part of that flow that I was
23:39 talking about earlier let it flow don’t
23:41 get attached and so there’s a teaching
23:43 in the church that we need to just give
23:45 it to Jesus and it’s the same thing for
23:46 goodbye nice stuff easier for me because
23:48 this is super important we just said we
23:51 look at Christ and get somebody we see
23:56 him owning what he’s feeling and
24:00 discussing it with his Heavenly Father
24:03 what many people do on many pounds
24:07 because we drop the gnomon clamp sure
24:09 and they drop the doctor and we’re all
24:11 humans what humans trend to do is look
24:16 for an easy out in Buddhist circles I’ve
24:20 had many students
24:22 who would say I’m trying not to be
24:25 attached to my anger or try not to be
24:26 attached to my fear what they really are
24:28 saying is I hate my anger I hate my
24:32 sphere I’m gonna shove it away and I
24:36 love peace I’m greedy for peace and I
24:38 want to pull it to me but pushing and as
24:42 hey or pulling as greed or two sides in
24:45 the same kool-aid and so when we see
24:49 Jesus doing is he’s aware of what he’s
24:51 doing but he’s not he’s working with it
24:55 the thing you said give it to Jesus that
24:58 actually comes from the Old Testament
25:00 where some enemy of Israel issued a
25:04 poison pen letter to the king of his
25:06 room and he brought into the temple and
25:08 he laid it out upon the incense altar
25:11 which is a wonderful thing in and of
25:13 itself so it’s completely wonderful to
25:15 take our problems and be vulnerable with
25:17 and surrendered with and to recognize
25:21 that we don’t have the power to stop
25:24 lusting or stop hating but that’s not
25:28 the end of the story there’s a point
25:31 where we have to notice what we’re
25:34 experiencing whether it’s external or
25:36 internal whether it’s physical or
25:38 emotional or intellectual or pneumonic
25:42 or fantastic or just notice it and then
25:47 relax and then surrender that’s where
25:52 the freedom comes from just as you
25:56 cannot pick up cook silver with your
25:58 bare hands it rolls right out and
26:01 through your fingers and falls back on
26:02 the ground likewise with our reflections
26:05 when we notice our affliction and then
26:07 let go which shouldn’t be confused
26:10 shoving them a limit let go they can no
26:14 longer control and so when we look at
26:19 summit on the Mount when Jesus was
26:21 talking about you’ve heard this but I
26:23 tell you this and he does that several
26:25 times the Sermon on the Mount and
26:28 according to my understanding not a
26:30 current of vacuum it occurred in a very
26:33 complex situation
26:36 and the the driving force was not to say
26:39 therefore you’re all a bunch of sinners
26:41 because you notice beauty intellectually
26:46 and viscerally none of its saying we all
26:48 require God’s grace even if you keep law
26:53 perfectly which is tough to do you still
26:57 require God’s grace so what many
27:02 well-meaning devotees of Christ often
27:04 miss that and they metaphorically
27:08 flagellate themselves once they notice
27:11 their love store their age or their
27:14 jealousy or their cried if we don’t have
27:17 to do that if we simply notice what’s
27:21 going on it’s enough to break its
27:23 momentum and let go and let the spirit
27:27 do its work if God is truly unlimited we
27:33 don’t need to do his work for him we can
27:35 let him do his work there’s tremendous
27:39 freedom enough to let God do his work
27:46 what’s coming to mind for me now is this
27:50 idea of the dour moralizing Christian
27:54 you know someone who’s not happy is not
27:56 joyful is not free this is not to put
27:59 anyone down it’s just a trap it’s a trap
28:01 that we can all fall into but I think
28:03 it’s pretty obvious you could take an
28:05 8th grader and show them the joyful
28:07 Christian and the dour Christian and
28:08 they’ll know right away which one is the
28:10 better Christian Right sanctimonious
28:12 misery is found in all cultures the
28:16 whole thing of joy and bitterness we
28:20 feel a dichotomy everywhere and it’s you
28:23 know no one civilization has license on
28:27 it so one of the keys to extricate
28:31 ourselves from that trap is the
28:34 cultivation of centered spontaneity of
28:37 them vulnerability there’s a wonderful
28:40 comic I saw a single panel comic of tune
28:43 dog sitting on meditation cushion the
28:46 first turn to the second this is well I
28:48 think the key and meditate
28:49 learning how to stay yeah and we can do
28:55 that you know whether we call ourselves
28:57 Buddhists or Christians or here’s if we
29:00 can say with what’s going on and not
29:04 hide from it and not try to destroy it
29:08 and not try to indulge it not play
29:11 victim but stay with it relaxed centered
29:16 way that embraces the Holy Spirit and
29:18 embraces dharmakaya we can sign freedom
29:22 even in the midst of physical pain even
29:25 in the midst of sorrow and law even in
29:29 the midst of the realization of our
29:30 worst night Thomas Merton he was- Zen
29:35 Buddha is that in any way related to
29:37 Tibetan Buddhism well there are all
29:40 panels in the same flower I’ve studied
29:42 every school Buddhism one of the key
29:45 teachings have higher Buddhism
29:47 regardless of which school someone’s in
29:49 Islam that in the words of jigme lingpa
29:53 a dead tibetan if we bring all live
29:58 circumstances into the path then it is
30:01 as if our very body was a meditation on
30:04 when it was young and foolish and I was
30:08 trying to coerce my teachers and they’re
30:11 giving me the secret mystical handshake
30:13 that would solve all my problems you
30:15 know that didn’t exist but I thought it
30:16 did I’d say you know well I gotta write
30:19 magical tool I have much more time to
30:22 meditate and of course they’re handsome
30:24 as you know your sufferings are your
30:26 opportunity to meditate thanks thanks a
30:29 lot that’s not the answer I wanted to
30:31 hear so yes there is a much like CS
30:36 Lewis used to talk about that CS Lewis
30:38 used to talk about how God wants his
30:40 children to mature and become a gull
30:43 they’re always whining or mewling for
30:47 their celestial parents to take away our
30:49 lives adversities but to learn how to be
30:52 able to cope with them in the midst of
30:56 distressing circumstances are physical
30:59 states or emotional states
31:02 our mental states one of the things I
31:06 really appreciate and one of the ancient
31:07 Buddhist scriptures attributed to be
31:10 taught in the school is the mecha-suit
31:13 or the loving-kindness and discourse and
31:15 in it we are cautioned to keep away from
31:20 conjecture because conjecture like story
31:23 can terrace violently offer Center as
31:28 opposed to simply saying I don’t know
31:31 but perhaps they’ll come to me the
31:33 greatest scientists the ones who really
31:35 had the big discoveries have balance
31:38 analysis with creativity you can’t fake
31:43 creativity and many people in many
31:45 religions have said transitivity is the
31:48 whisperings of the divine the
31:50 whisperings of the Holy Spirit many
31:53 scientific spirit into the dreams all
31:55 right so the idea came to a dream and
31:58 then they act upon it analytically which
31:59 is great the balance of both sides of
32:01 the brain Einstein said that genius
32:04 requires both intellect and imagination
32:08 so it’s one thing to leave room for the
32:12 Holy Spirit to give you a great idea and
32:14 then to act on it and notice your
32:17 results that’s a huge thing in any
32:21 religion in any sect you’ll find a
32:23 majority and minority the majority can
32:25 be fundamentalist the minority tend to
32:27 be liberal the majority tend to work
32:30 backwards from conclusion and then find
32:32 facts to support inclusion whereas
32:35 liberal will follow the facts wherever
32:38 they lead and that of the truth sets us
32:42 free by being completely vulnerable to
32:46 what the five senses tell us and what
32:48 our connectional Holy Spirit tells us
32:50 that leads us to true freedom but humans
32:54 are so prone to the subtle private
32:57 things yep I’ve got a good beat on
33:01 things I’ve got it all figured out and I
33:03 just have to find the facts to support
33:05 what I know the truth already is now
33:09 let’s say there’s someone listening
33:11 who’s depressed they’re contemplating
33:13 suicide there
33:15 for hope so okay so let’s talk about
33:17 depression this is really me okay
33:22 contrary to popular belief doctors bless
33:25 their hearts are not omniscient medicine
33:29 is always changing and always evolving
33:31 and that can be a very good good thing
33:34 however not all doctors are geniuses
33:38 some of very simple minds and fall into
33:40 what we call circular thinking an
33:42 example would be well we know everything
33:45 in modern medicine if we can’t firm
33:47 what’s wrong with you then it must be in
33:49 your head oh my goodness depression is
33:53 an excellent example of that when you
33:55 look at the basic symptoms of the
33:57 depression the same symptoms you have
34:00 when you have a flu or a cold when you
34:02 have the flu or you have a cold you
34:04 don’t feel like hiking you don’t feel
34:06 like making love you don’t feel like
34:08 gorging yourself you don’t feel like
34:09 running on the block you’re not the
34:11 trust your body’s response to
34:13 inflammation is to make sure you lay in
34:17 bed you get better and based on that a
34:22 significant number of physicians and
34:25 this is a significant number of
34:27 researchers using devil blind randomized
34:31 placebo-controlled studies have found
34:33 that when people exhibit the symptoms of
34:36 depression if we remove the sources of
34:39 inflammation from their diets and
34:42 lifestyles the symptoms of depression go
34:45 away without changing a single thoughts
34:48 or belief you can go online you can get
34:53 veggie caps of turmeric blended with
34:56 black pepper the black pepper helps to
34:58 increase the absorption of the turmeric
35:01 a thousandfold it’s not only a lovely
35:04 seasoning it’s a very strong natural
35:07 safe anti-inflammatory by moving one’s
35:10 diet towards whole plant foods and away
35:14 from salt and oil and sugar be one will
35:17 be reducing the amount of inflammation
35:19 in their body and their minds will be
35:22 much happier depression is a symptom of
35:27 a greater
35:28 problem it’s not a part of the stinking
35:30 thinking stinking thinking is the
35:31 product of a body that’s not working
35:34 right one of the st. Francis of sissies
35:37 greatest gift was simplicity in the West
35:43 and now in the east we are experiencing
35:46 the health disorders of opulence that
35:50 peasants did not experience in the past
35:53 millennia because the rich inflammatory
35:57 nature of our diet and so this is
36:01 usually important we must go through
36:03 life noticing all results non
36:06 superstitiously we look James chapter 5
36:10 be thou not deceived what you sow you
36:14 shall reap if you carry a big old cinder
36:17 block and you drop it upon your left big
36:19 toe you’re going to feel a sensation you
36:21 won’t enjoy that sensation is not divine
36:24 punishment it’s the causality of
36:26 dropping a big block on your toe so when
36:30 we feel the passion it’s not random it’s
36:34 because there’s something wrong now
36:36 circumstances may be affecting your diet
36:38 that affects your body for instance
36:41 circumstances may have set our sleep
36:43 which will create an inflammatory state
36:46 in her body but nine times out of 10
36:49 depression is called as a emotional
36:51 symptom of a physical state and we
36:55 ignore that at our own peril one of the
36:59 coolest things were a Buddha taught was
37:02 he said doesn’t matter who told you
37:05 something doesn’t matter if it comes
37:06 from an old book what matters is the
37:09 results it gives you when you apply it
37:13 and that is the heart that is the seed
37:16 that gives birth to the flower of the
37:19 empirical method and it’s really cool to
37:22 know that the people who came up with
37:24 the empirical method for trees and
37:26 churchmen so the empirical method is not
37:31 antithetical to the spiritual path
37:35 noticing our actions and their
37:38 consequences is integral to our progress
37:41 palma spherical contrary to what some
37:44 angry bitter people tell you science is
37:47 not the enemy of God there is a God and
37:52 he invented gravity he invented
37:55 electromagnetism he invented the strong
37:58 nuclear force he invented the weak
37:59 nuclear force you can’t offend God with
38:02 his own creation it can’t be done I’ve
38:05 tried it doesn’t happen may get making
38:07 them giggle but that’s just about it Oh
38:11 depression is not an indictment it’s a
38:14 symptom and if we respond to it
38:16 strategically we can prevail against it
38:20 that’s huge there’s books i recommend
38:24 you can get on Amazon when it’s called
38:26 how not to die but dr. Michael Greger
38:29 wonderful book another book it’s a cook
38:32 book written by chef Bravo you can find
38:35 out on amazon if you spend a week if you
38:39 spend yourself three months to
38:41 transition into eating whole plant foods
38:44 and avoiding salt oil and sugar the
38:47 first week you will hate me you will
38:49 christen to my face that’s okay I’m a
38:51 big boy i can handle it but by the ninth
38:54 week you will be styling and you will
38:57 feel so much better you won’t have any
39:00 of the side effects you get from many
39:03 antidepressants your thinking will be
39:05 lucid your heart will be happier your
39:08 body will be healthier how’s that yeah
39:15 you like it one of you got some
39:18 questions at the end okay all you got to
39:20 be a winner all you gotta do

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