CVS Live Guest - 2021-09-05 - Benjamin Bisconer

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I interviewed Benjamin back in May 2019, and he agreed to come back and share his ongoing journey on my livestream.


CVS Live Guest - 2021-09-05 - Benjamin Bisconer

Author Streamed January 11th, 2020

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okay so we are live i'm here with benjamin benjamin how you doing i'm doing fantastic david thank you for having me it's been a while uh you were on in late may 2019 do you remember that i sure do what did we talk about at that time at that time we talked about uh my movement uh away from the catholic faith when i was in franciscan university and we also talked about a little bit about jordan peterson and we we went over how different descriptions of god as far as like how it's a little you can't define him but he's like everywhere constantly like a fish swimming in water so we had some interesting conversations about that and the nature of goodness and how it relates to god and how it's either separable or inseparable and that's about everything i could remember from our last conversation oh that's pretty good you have a good memory um i don't know what you've been up to i saw you in the comments recently but i took a lot of time off and i don't know what your journey has been doing but can you catch us up a little bit about if there are any sort of interesting stops along the journey like in terms of your reading or your thinking or your philosophy religion anything like that or i mean even if you want to touch briefly on milestones that don't directly relate to philosophy and religion like if you had a baby or something you can let us know yeah for sure well um i got two rowdy kids and a third on the way so that's nice yeah it's pretty exciting um trying to just keep them happy and healthy and uh my thoughts i did so i've been finding more youtubers to listen to and uh just listening to all the back and forth like there's there's capturing christianity and he had this big back and forth on the kalam cosmological argument with uh rationality rules which i thought was very well formatted so it really did justice to the argument so it was not a i'm trying to beat you type of dialogue it was a exploratory thing so where everyone was learning more with each interaction um and then i listened to a guy named brett weinstein who talked about free will in a way i'd never heard it before so i kind of gave up on the free will argument because when i discussed it with my wife who's also really smart she said that regardless of which model you choose determinism or free will it doesn't have any you know it doesn't affect how you will it if she asked me will it affect how you live your life and i said well not really i'm still gonna want to eat i'm still gonna want to sleep the same way and she said well then why argue about it and i couldn't find a good rebuttal to her so i kind of left it there for a while but then brett weinstein was talking to sam harris about it and as you know sam harris is full deterministic all the way and but he was making a counter point i hadn't heard of which was um well then how do you distinguish you know conscious uh voluntary action from those who have locked in syndrome when there are certain illnesses that result in that type of consequence where it from all intents and purposes from the outside you look like you're in a coma but inside you have all this you know desires and thoughts and he said you know to go the deterministic route is to essentially say that everyone has locked in syndrome i thought that was really interesting and i thought that that kind of opened the door a little more to for more interesting and further discussion on that because now i'm not sure where i stand and now it became an interesting topic again now you're forced to choose haha right right so that was kind of neat and um and what was the other one uh oh i recommend you just listen to this guy for your own uh intellectual pleasure his name is joshua bach he's a ai scientist and he i still my goal is to be as smart as he sounds because he has tackled these heavy topics as well even though that's not his field but like to to generate artificial intelligence he has to have some rudimentary understanding of how emotions relate to thought and you know our passion to reason those types of things so he's read up on all these thinkers and he has such an eloquent way of delivering his thoughts and they're so dense so like there's it's a three-hour discussion with this guy named lex i forget his last name but man i just i was listening to that mesmerized like wow this guy is so smart so i need i realized i'm so stupid i need really need to learn more the guy's last name wasn't luther was it lex luther nope not lex luthor he's lex is a russian i wish i remember his last name i could i guess i could look it up but um lex yeah joshua yeah yeah so joshua versus lex yep and then obviously you know i'm still following jordan peterson's work he had a rough time and took a big break just like i mean hopefully your break didn't entail no no trials and tribulations that his did yeah uh yeah so then i read his new book and i'm synthesizing it with you know where what i'm learning and it's um yeah i'm basically just uh happy to talk to you about topics that nobody none of my co-workers or family are interested in delving deep into yeah for sure for sure we'll get into that but briefly uh i have a friend who really likes jp but i don't really follow him or his work i know he was in a lot of trouble with addiction uh with the pharmaceutical whether it was a opiate-based pharmaceutical or something like that um i had a hellish nightmare trying to get off it went to russia or whatever it was i also heard his daughter is coming on the scene in terms of uh putting out content is that true that is true yeah i mean obviously she's a lot younger than him so she's kind of at the beginning of her journey but yeah she's had some people on her podcast some heavy hitters and thinkers and as well as celebrities and you know she's kind of carrying the family tradition it looks like they're starting how would you characterize her world so like she's i would say i don't want to insult her but she's very fresh to this type of thing so i she had a pro-life and pro-choice person on and you know she had she let them both completely they get she gave them each an hour and um her thoughts at the end of it i was kind of like oh i guess she didn't really hear much so um you know but that's that's good in a way because the fact that she's inviting these voices on and she's interested in knowing what the truth is you know that's everyone has to start somewhere yeah yeah yeah for sure and the the beauty uh of being young and innocent and inexperienced is there's that foolishness like where you're willing to go where other people are shy to go you're willing to take a leap of faith where other people are not willing to take a leap of faith we get stodgy we get set in our ways we get opinionated we get uh cantankerous as we go through life we get cynical yeah so the the beauty of youth is just like hey i'm gonna wander over here it's like what the hell are you doing where it's fun it's exciting and there's there's obviously danger right there's obviously danger but uh that's how we grow i mean we have to uh we have to give it to the youth and let them be free i mean freedom i think you know i think a lot of my listeners know that freedom is very very very very very very very very important to me as an individual it's very important i don't like having uh constraints inordinate constraints placed on me i accept all of the constraints all of the normal constraints but when someone's overreaching with their control top-down control or manipulation it really really gets me into a rebellious mode so i don't know i don't know if this is uh a psychological problem i have if it's a strength or weakness or what i would call it a strength there's not enough of that in the world so what are some of the topics have you got a list of topics today are you just going to freestyle um i have a rough list of topics in my head so i i am interested to hear your thoughts on some things yeah so the first topic is um are you do you know these two names michael voris and bishop baron and i would love to hear your thoughts on each of those two individuals wow so i avoid i should say as a sort of disclaimer i avoid all catholic media on purpose i avoid it wow i avoid it like the plague why because i hate politics i hate politics i hate politics okay so you just named me someone from the right someone from the left i hate the right and i hate the left okay i i love jesus christ i love his church okay but when if i have to choose i will defend those who at least portray themselves as being faithful to pope francis and the living magister so that's my sort of default okay who's who's maligning the pope in public okay i shy away from you more so if bishop bishop baron seems more faithful to the living magisterium i'll slightly give him a few more points and a few more a little bit more listening time but i mean i'm very sympathetic to those on the right uh it's just that i think it's very very very very very very dangerous to start thinking that you are above the living magisterium of the catholic church so that's why i keep more distance from the right than i do from the left but i'm not i'm not a fan of the left either like i mean if you're gonna start preaching that uh it's okay to be an unrepentant homosexual it's okay to kill the baby in the womb or anything like that i'm going to give you just as much birth as i would give to someone that's saying that the pope is the antichrist yeah you know there's been a lot of that i i you know because i do follow catholic media and it's it's uh i kind of don't blame you if considering your position i because it it's crazy i even i can't make heads or tails of it um as far as because you know as you were saying you know maligning you know the head of the magisterium so far i mean the rules are still the same as far as you know this the succession and um you know what he can't what words his a authority holds to the church and which are his personal words like i feel like that is totally not part of the conversation like you said it's it's just all sensationalized yep yep uh one of the reasons i don't follow catholic media is that i don't trust any mainstream media whatsoever and then the alternative media i don't trust them either but i i do avail myself of their wacky conspiracy theories just to just to get an alternative point of view from the mainstream because the mainstream is is one kind of cult mainstream media and then you've got this alternative cult over here it's just good to sort of map out and stretch the sort of possibilities of interpretation of some of the so-called news quote-unquote news like because things do happen like i mean if a bomb goes up off in my city in montreal if a big bomb goes off a bunch of people die and the waters water mains are broken and the electricity's off in a couple of neighborhoods and all this sort of thing it's like that's a real event these are facts something something happened i don't know what happened tune into the news and you're going to get a story okay it was a bomb or aliens landed or it was terrorists or this or that it's like you know we we really have a hard time today with journalism because instead of just giving the facts and letting people sort of do a lot of speculation and interpretation the journalism today is giving predominantly the interpretation the spin what does it mean and uh there i have i mean i've always known that the reliability is very low in terms of uh when they start giving their opinions or start interpreting if i ever do a fact check on their opinion i'm usually justified in my opinion that the journalism the standards of journalism have really dropped if they were ever high to begin with i might have a romantic idea of some golden era where journalists were seeking the truth and presenting the truth and if they had biases they were honest about their biases and this sort of thing i don't know if that was ever the case but that's sort of a fantasy i have about the good old days so i mean that's a right wing trait like having this a fantasy about the good old days the left-wing the left-wing trait would be to say well in the future we're moving towards this golden age of journalism and if only we can get everyone hooked up onto their iphones and all the data then we can have perfect transparency we'll know everything about you and your health and your movements and your shopping habits and this is the view beautiful future you have to sign up you have to sign up if you don't sign up you're my enemy and we're going to put you in a concentration camp so just sign up because this is the best thing for the future of humanity okay that's the left wing so uh it's a crazy world yeah and you know i that tendency i feel like that tribalism like you said when you lose that youthful foolishness to listen you you think oh okay i'm 40 years old or insert age here now i don't need to search anymore and now i've found this ex-trusted source and i'm just going to shut everything else down and in i think it is worse i don't know if it was as good as your romanticized version of it was but i think the internet and the click baity uh necessity to survive actually forced their hand into a false sensationalist journaling because those that even tried to put five minutes of truthful journalism in they're completely ignored and passed over for the the vatican's on fire click you know folks been arrested you know how many videos i've seen on a bit shoot the pope's been arrested for pedophilia like you know how many times probably a lot it's ridiculous but i mean the pope may well be a pedophile he may well be the antichrist but until i have reason good reason like yeah the the you know what the good reason to believe that would be when the church stops saying the name of pope francis in every single mass right like i go to mass pretty much every day and every day we're praying for our local bishop christian le pen and the holy father pope francis so until that stops absolutely like that's the bare minimum like i would i would need at the bare minimum to stop seeing that the church is officially paying homage to the pope and they're naming the pope by name like i mean that's a pretty good tell about what the current situation is now the church is sluggish and slow to move so it might be that in a hundred years we look back and we say oh well the you know this bergoglio was the antichrist but the church was unaware of that fact and they kept praying for him and referring to him as pope francis and uh it only came out uh you know as well there have been in as you know in the middle ages people that referred to themselves as the pope that were not good people yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure but what i think when i um at my particular judgment and god's like what the hell were you doing why were you calling bergoglio pope francis why were you doing that david that'd be like because that's what that's what your church told me to do okay and then god would just i yeah i mean i guess uh you know it's a it's a little hard when you know unless you speak italian or i'm not sure what language pope francis speaks um spanish is it spanish italian english french german portuguese it's you know unless you're seeing it with your own two eyes directly you know trying to interpret it through you know a news outlet and their interpretation is definitely not reliable i have a little story for you about that you know um the set of accountists right yes all very familiar you know do you know stephen heiner i've interviewed him two or three times stephen is he older with like a goatee no he he's a young asian looking guy paris france nice guy i like him a lot okay he's a very generous guy he comes on my show and we we get along and you know there's a bit of tension obviously over uh issues to do with the papacy and stuff like that but i i like him i think he's a nice guy um he runs a channel called francis watch or something like that or something if it's channel or if it's a show or something like that but he he he told me one time about how bergoglio as he called him uh did some very vicious move on a child like the child was praying with the prayer hands and bergoglio came up and forced his hands apart and said no you can't pray and whatever i mean what yeah and so i went on francis watch on the website and i i watched the video of pope francis and his interaction with this young choir boy or whatever this young like this this boy was probably six years old you know dressed in white and he was standing there sort of i don't know sort of accompanying the audience that the pope had he was just sort of on the sidelines with some other people just standing at a tension sort of thing and this guy has this young six-year-old had his prayer hands and he was really cute uh the pope just walked up and he pulled his hands apart the boy's hands apart saying what what's happening are your hands magnetized to each other and he patted the kid on the head and gave him a smile and a kiss and it was just like the most natural grandfather kind of love like you know simple real love friendly familiar nothing threatening nothing bullying it was amazing and it's like oh my god our pope is a saint okay because he just knows how to love people right okay naturally simply and it's being twisted and spun by the center of a cantus among this this guy's a monster and he's he wants to stop young people from doing the traditional prayer posture you have to be you how how do you let yourself get that deluded about reality that you see the same video clip that i watch and you interpret it so radically how does that happen it you know it's funny it actually happens even in secular media i think it was with the guy who played aquaman and he was like the paparazzi was ganging up on them so he pulled his daughter you know aside so to kind of protect her and of course his hand touched her chest slightly very non-sexually and the same exact spin happened he's doing this and that and this is totally inappropriate and then you watch the video you're like not at all yeah you project much you sick perverts excuse my language oh you you feel free to cuss around me i'm i love you these people are sick in the head they're sick in the head and we're seeing it more and more this is the thing about uh about satan and his and his minions and that includes the humans that he's fooled at least temporarily i hope it's temporarily the the politicians and the people that he's fooled here on earth they i'll just focus on satan he overplays his hand he will not be able to contain his excitement and he will overplay his hand i think c.s lewis talks about this too like it's just like he can't contain himself he's not he doesn't he's not you know god god tells us that satan is the most subtle of all the creatures like the serpent whatever it's like no this guy's not subtle this guy is not he's an idiot he's a completed he's showing his face he's the mask is following that we can see it all over society and it's uh it's ugly it's really ugly so okay uh we will continue to talk about satan because i like that topic too but um what i want to hear from you is it set me straight on what i'm hearing about pope francis and the latin mass because when i was catholic i was definitely on the latin masses better camp i acknowledged that the norvasoda was valid kind of begrudgingly and then i'm hearing what i've whether this is spin or factual i'm not sure is that he has put new restrictions on the ability to perform the latin mass and that was one of the big controversies that the catholic media left and wright were talking about and i wanted to know what do you think of the latin mass versus norvis ordo versus what pope francis actually said versus what the news is saying he said yeah well i don't know what the media is saying i would imagine the media is spinning it left right whatever you know uh my my perspective is very simple it's not going to be exciting for either side they're going to be like wow that's boring okay my perspective is very what i would consider very traditional and conservative perspective which is that vatican ii is legitimate council we've given like over i don't know how many how many years since the 60s has it been i mean it's been about 50 years or so more than 50 years yeah right 60. 60 years okay it's like we've we've given you time to adjust okay we've given you time to adjust now we're just going to try to implement the novus ordo more completely right it's like you know the the latin is given pride of place gregorian chant is given pride of place do we see that in the parishes no we don't you would need to go to some sort of rad trad right-wing place to get what vatican two promises okay that's the paradox the paradox is you got to go to the rad trads to get what vatican ii emphasizes right but the the this is a very messy and complicated thing they're going to be people resisting on the right resisting on the left and people on the left trying to make a future church where everything is wacky and weird and just has nothing to do with with the with the gospel and so it's all a big messy thing but at the bottom line when all the dust settles and when the historians look back on this time they're good they're just gonna say vatican ii was a real council there was resistance there was chaos satan was going wild with all the vatican the spirit of vatican ii and messing up this that the other thing and then there was of course and then there's of course the pedophilia stuff that satan injected into this whole atmosphere also and then that can be blamed on vatican ii and it's all the council it's the council it's the council it's the council no the council is the holy spirit guiding his holy church in closer and closer to the truth and the disciplines and those things that are not dogmatic they're also true and good and wholesome and appropriate to the time and you know there are you know in essentials unity and non-essentials diversity and all things charity so this is straight out of vatican ii it's like this is the basic bottom line when it comes to these councils they're adapting to the times without compromising right without changing there's no dogmatic change whatsoever so i think pope francis is right to move ahead and to push forward with vatican ii if i had been one of the recent popes i would have been strong arming even more violently the reforms of vatican ii and squashing rebellion squash the rebellion of the left in the church squash it violently that's what i would have done does that mean right does that now the question is does that make me right wing or left wing is that is that a right-wing move or a left-wing move to squash the rebellion against the progress of the church i mean i don't know if that's right-wing or left-wing i think it depends on your method of squashing because you could you can squash a rebellion through direct communication you can make yourself unambiguously clear as to your goals and your motives and why the direction is the way it's going like i actually had to kind of invent a reason i was talking to a rad trad back in when i was high school um she didn't believe in uh john paul ii of all people i'm like you can't you can't hate john paul too you're crazy and but she did and because she was thought that you know all the same thing the vatican ii thing and i told her well you know think about the barrier of entry to people who are unaware of the faith and you have the latin mass which all grant you know you could say on the order of beauty is x y and z values if we're trying to save more souls wouldn't it make more sense to you know have a mass that communicates the same language as the people attending the mass and so they can hear the message like it just made sense to me i i don't know if that's the if why that's um the true reason behind the vatican ii council or what was discussed or how the holy spirit guided them but that was how i always saw it so i kind of was able to keep my feet on both sides as far as this is my personal preference on one hand with the latin mass and here's this rational pragmatic you know reasoning behind the nervous odo and you know the church's reasoning behind standing by it yeah well you know the thing with the medic too if you read the documents of vatican ii and particularly the documents that deal with the liturgy in detail latin isn't removed from the vernacular masses right it's not removed right like you're supposed to be doing predominantly latin with certain sections in the vernacular so the spirit of vatican ii is that oh just remove the nailers remove take the altar off to the side and do this and do that and we're just gonna have completely in english and we're gonna have clowns on the stage we're gonna be dancing girls and this might be i think it's like that's not in the documents sorry so on the one hand i applaud pope francis for saying look let's just do the vatican let's do vatican ii let's implement the council right on the other hand on the ground it's extremely extremely messy and people are just doing what they want to do basically like i mean you know uh i am disappointed i'm disappointed in the bishops that they're not more strict with their priests but i haven't lived a day in the life of a bishop i would imagine that it's a nightmare it's a headache it's a hassle there's politics there's money the money the money issue the money issue alone probably keeps these people from sleeping at night they probably have to take drugs to sleep at night because of the money issues right yeah have you seen have you been inside a catholic church lately no it's like it's like uh going to ancient greece the ruins of ancient greece it's just like it's it's falling apart like it's just the the infrastructure's falling apart like these buildings are falling apart for the most part here in montreal like i mean i could show you i could show you the church i went to uh one or two weeks ago i just tried it out the reason i wanted to try it out is because it looked like something out of a horror movie it was overgrown with weeds and like graffiti and it's like oh my gosh i saw i saw someone coming out of the side building like the uh i forget what they call that that building on the side of a church but um there was a little family coming out and i said oh this church is active what's going on and she said yeah there are masses here at 11 o'clock on sunday so i came back on 11 o'clock i think it was 10 o'clock on sunday and uh they just do it in a little side chapel and uh you know it's very small and intimate and after i talked to afterwards i talked with a couple of people and they said that the building has been condemned it's formally condemned it's going to be torn down and i mean this is a very extreme case but today i went to my parish i've moved last year i moved so i'm in a new neighborhood it's a new parish for me but uh it's a nice church but it's very run down today i met the organist and he took me upstairs and showed me the organ is amazing i mean when i say he showed me his organ uh the uh anti-catholics are anyway have fun with that if that's your thing go for it but anyway i'll take yeah so um yeah uh so yeah beautiful huge organ with multiple parts and all that he showed me he showed me the the intricacies of this it's just it's just amazing like i asked him i said you're an organist you've been an organist for 40 years if you could travel the world you could just magically choose any of the organs in any of the countries of the world which organ would you choose to play he said i would choose this one right here he said it's magnificent and uh so it's quite an experience but all of this to say that he took me into the sort of guts of the church up up top into the rafters and where the organ is and all that sort of thing and uh it's in disrepair i mean this i felt i really felt like i was in uh what's it called beauty and the beast or the yeah the uh what did what did they call that what was the original novel where the guy's ugly and isn't the truth oh phantom of the opera that kind of thing yeah yeah or hunchback of notre dame something like that yeah yeah yeah yeah you know that kind of romantic feeling wow old church it's falling apart or whatever like a horror movie but uh no the state of affairs in the church is pathetic so the reason i talk to the organist i know i'm rambling a lot here but i'll let you speak afterwards but the priest after the mass said we're looking for lecters we're looking for people to read we're looking for people to serve and uh we're looking for volunteers and if you have any ideas to how to help perish talk to the organist so i went and talked to the organist i said uh you know my french isn't that good so i'm not comfortable like going up and reading doing the readings but um you know is there anything else i could do and so i might help out a little bit with some uh their website stuff like that i do help another chapel with uh website so um but uh no there's a reason why i'm telling you this story about the uh oh yeah so the thing the the reason that i talked to the organist is because i said look what what's going on here like we've got 12 people in this church i said the capacity of this church is probably 2 300 people right he said no the capacity of this church is 965 people so wow it's like we've got a dozen people and there's room for almost a thousand i said what can we do what can we do like should should uh the priest said like if you have any ideas for a program to help the parish talk to the organist so i'm here i'm talking to you what can we do what can i do to help you to get people in the pews here he said oh well people have free will and they you know they don't want to come they don't want to come whatever i thought that was a lackluster response but i'm like can i like should i go out in the street and like invite them in like what's going on he said no no you know covid and we used to have a lot more people like twice as many people oh really so twice 12 so you have 24 people coming right the capacity is a thousand it's like am i the only one that thinks that we need to start going out into the streets like uh what's your perspective on that as the next catholic um well i kind of have a snarky response so my snarky response is you know uh god tends to task humans to do his work a lot and i feel like there's a lot of things that he could do yeah yeah so i so my unsnarky response would be uh i actually heard that same exact discussion was talked about between bishop baron and jordan peterson actually and uh jordan peterson's response to him on that topic was that the church has is been more afraid of challenging people lately like they've toned down the you know you know the reality of hell they've kind of trying to do the you know hope that all can be saved you know is it's been emphasized more strongly whereas jordan peterson was saying what people are starving for is a challenge and a um you know the test of life and you know a call to greatness and you know to sainthood that is going to be a trial and tribulation and he and that's like that's natural in the human soul that and so bishop baron was like oh you might have a point yeah uh you know you you do know it's ironic that the the one slogan that represents best the second vatican council the one slogan that best represents the spirit the true spirit if there is a spirit of vatican ii the slogan that best represents it is the universal call to holiness so the saints are heroic in their virtue so the only tragedy in life is to not have been a saint right so this is an adventure like if you want to talk about it in terms of joseph campbell you know the great ark that storyline yeah and uh this is ironically at the at the heart and center of the second vatican council and you would never know it by looking at the lackluster response of priests bishops organists whatever i mean i'm not saying anything against this organist he's a lovely man or against my priest or against the victim so and one i to elucidate a point you've been making is uh there's vatican ii and what it says and then there's what people see on the ground and that and being able to distinguish where vatican 2 ends and where uh you know female clowns on the altar begin like nobody has the means other than looking up the document itself which everyone should do if they're catholic and are interested um i guess people like that is i think where the that the water gets muddied um for sure and that's why so they're thinking they're making an association oh what is this you know grotesque display of lack of of reverence um and then they hear oh vatican ii oh well i'm against this even if they wouldn't be against vatican ii had they only read it yeah well you know there's a crisis uh in medicine there's a crisis in education there's a crisis in law enforcement there's a corrupt a crisis in uh justice system and uh prison system like i mean it's just like it's a hot mess not to mention politics right but the the golden thread running through all of this is corruption right like i mean you are just compromising your principles or you just don't have any principles and that's why i'd rather just you know uh go along to get along i'm not gonna i'm not gonna take a stand on this issue like i mean i'm i'm a new i'm the newest teacher and like who am i to speak out against you know uh who am i to raise all these idealistic principles that i learned at school when i was being trained to be uh early childhood education or whatever like that's all just theory now here in the trenches and like i mean i need the money i can't rock the boat this is a new job whatever it's like just like people cave and they just start compromising the principles it's just the the way it is and we talked about journalism it's the same thing it's like you're gonna go in all naive into your journalism job are you really gonna have the balls to get fired on day one i don't think so yeah and then it piles up because then you've been you've established that as who you are and what you've been doing and then now to backtrack is even more difficult than starting off you know forthrightly from the get-go imagine imagine the resume of someone who sticks to their principles it's like let's see your job experience wow you had a lot of jobs and they all lasted one morning one morning here he did the morning here the afternoon there and morning here it's like wow you're hard to employ so yeah i mean and like you i think the same it's funny you listed off all those institutions and their failings i think they're failing for the exact same reason that as far as there's an association so you have the law and then you have you know laws that people voted on and then you see cops like beating down innocent kids and then they make that association oh the law means beating down kids well then defund the police even though that's not what it was like it's it's kind of an oversimplification and an over generalization like you kind of have to have a higher resolution of what specifically the problem is instead of put baking a big category and throwing the baby with the bathwater yeah you know we were talking about satan earlier it would be i i mean it is a little bit uh blasphemous to do these thoughts experiments but i do these thought experiments about how fun it would be to be satan or one of his minions because it's easy it's easy to mess stuff up right and it's like when i i'll be honest with you when i play video games like sandbox open world video games they're demonic they're very demonic right but because of all the sex and violence but when i play them my objective is to just mess things up like that's my objective it's just fun to watch the artificial intelligence world respond and see if i can break it how can i break this and twist this and pervert that so i think it's in a certain sense fun to be demonic in that way or to be satanic or to just break everything invert everything lie cheat steal rape torture kill like everything destroy i think it's because there's a uh a return on your investment for a single activity being destructive versus being maintaining a structure i mean you can spend hours of labor maintaining a building but you can spend 50 minutes with a wrecking ball and just have the time of your life and like for one for one press of the button you get x amount of enjoyment versus sanding the the limestone just right you know and you don't even really perceive us a difference even though you are in the long run but i that satanic uh appeal is totally a thing yeah yeah yeah you know how long it took to build some of these cathedrals in europe like multiple centuries ridiculous ridiculous and then you know i've got an interactive map one of my friends uh steve sent me an interac well not interactive map but a map of all the churches in canada that have been destroyed ever since they discovered these alleged uh victims these babies that were abused tortured killed or whatever by residential schools in canada i don't know if that made your news there where you are oh yeah so uh residential schools these were predominantly catholics some orthodox schools but the point is that the we have a native community here different uh tribes or first nations that are uh sort of putting prison camps in exchange for uh not having to pay taxes and they get which is free goodies it's sort of like a reservation style uh deal right like it's like we're taking your country but you can live in this little place and you don't have to pay taxes and just just go away and you can go on welfare and you can become addicted to alcohol and video games whatever okay so it's a raw deal it's a bad deal and uh you want to talk about racism like everyone's up in arms racism black lives matter well the indigenous lives don't matter like we're just treating these people like fifth class citizens anyway um so uh there's a lot of outrage about that but then people like the same blm antifa types just started like burning down churches like these churches like they're people in the indigenous community it's like yes i'm part of this first nation nations tribe and it's my grandfather it's my grandfather that built this church my grandfather was a catholic he built this church like with his own hands with the help of the community it's my family it's my community we're native people this is our worship place of worship you burn it down you're a white man you come in with your you're a white woman highly educated and you come in you come in to protect me and you burn down my grandfather's greatest work and it took you how much blood sweat and tears he put into this building well even uh you know that same type of hypocrisy was happening when it started where you know the riots were starting which uh for george floyd and then black owners of businesses were getting rampaged and their life savings ruined and i'm like wait a minute hey that that totally contradicts your whole message what's going on here oh you have to laugh but i mean i wish i wish i could cry i really wish i could cry i wish i could cry first and foremost over my own sins i wish i pray to god i wish give me the grace of tears because unless i can shed a tear for the pain that i've caused my lord and savior jesus christ unless i can shed a tear for the fronts i've done to god almighty i mean i i think i'm in danger so i pray to god to give me the tears but i also want to be able to cry over the atrocities of the world the victims of their fellow man like how people are just going astray and hurting each other like but i find it hard i find it hard to conjure up sympathy and compassion empathy and my heart is cold how do you feel as a human being in 2021 with the news the news is tragic it's always been tragic my whole life life how do you connect how do you or do you not want to connect do you not want to be vulnerable well it was a i mean it's a survival mechanism if you let yourself feel for all the tragedy you simply wouldn't be able to function you have to hold your heart a little bit just to be able to listen to it at all like or you could not listen to it but there's no way there's no compatible way to in feed that stream of the tragic world events and keep your heart as empathetic as you would like it because it would just it would ruin you you know that that's my thought i'm pretty i'm i took a personality test and i natively i'm very low in compassion which i was kind of surprised because i i feel a lot of empathy towards my family and friends but i did you know this test is for a broad spectrum like over the course of your life like on average compared to other people and so i so compared to other people i'm extremely low in compassion so i'm probably more able to watch the news and try to think of solutions in a more cold calculated way versus you know feeling sorrowful when's the last time you consumed a news item and you said hey i could do something about that and then you went and did something concrete and it helped the situation when's the last time all happened never makes you wonder makes you wonder why people uh feel like they're all grown up when they watch the news doesn't it yeah you know and it actually there have been times where it frustrated me to the point where i was ruined at least for that night i forgot what news it was but i was so frustrated that i couldn't do something like it with the proximity was it when the canadians lost the stanley cup no no not a sports guy i'm not joking neither am i yeah but it was something to do like it was such a needless crime and it was such an easy solution and there were so many people that could have done it and didn't and i remember watching and feeling so frustrated like if i was only within proximity i would have you know i mean of course i would tell myself that who knows you would have saved george floyd right yeah similar exactly um uh oh i don't know i actually have an interesting story on that so i was luck all right just to preface this it didn't end tragically but i didn't know that in the moment so i was driving and there was a car accident and it was a family suv and so the car crashed there's kids in the car the doors were smashed in and there's gasoline pouring underneath this steaming car and i am 20 feet away and i had a real test of character and conscience because i was like i should probably rush out there and help get the kids out of the car but if that car bursts into flames then i'm in flames and then my family has no dad or a dad that was consumed in flames but then was that worse or better than the kids being in flames when all i had to do was just go and open that door and it took me like like that was the longest 15 seconds of my life and i luckily the guy behind them was like because i think the the two parents in the front were too stunned to start doing anything and they were they're alive and not you know mortally injured and uh luckily they the parents were able to get out they had to kick the door open and grab their kids out of the car but i remember thinking to myself i've had did a lot of self-reflection like you know you ha you kind of have a model of what you would do and then when the humbling humbling very humbling yeah for sure but you had the right impulse you had the right desire there was the equation was a dilemma really like it was a dilemma for you and uh you know you don't need to beat yourself up about that i think your your approach was a noble one and uh your analysis after the fact is an honest one so uh yeah there's some people i saw a video of uh i saw a video of a so-called nurse on bit shoot a lot of crazy stuff on bit shoot but uh a nurse bragging about how she's injecting everyone with this poison and uh these fools are all gonna die and whether that's true or not i mean that's it's a separate question right um yeah but she believed that these so-called vaccines for so-called covid are death traps and she's just laughing like these fools want to get it okay well just line them up i don't care line them up i'll just do as many as i can so that there's a special place in hell for these people right that have ill will like that you're supposed to do no harm right yeah it's i so i feel like so here let's segue this into the free will thing so i and i think i mentioned this before but maybe i don't remember your response to it so let's isolate this factor of decision making which is that motivational instinct that we we subjectively experience and now contrast the good willed person who has that motivational experience with this person you just described that has the opposite she she wants to harm she feels that instinct it motivates her in a behavior that is harmful and then she finds it rewarding to execute that behavior now it the thing that i lean towards in the direction of determinism even if it doesn't lead completely to determinism is you didn't choose that emotion and i think that we could be fooling ourselves to think that we can choose against it i think even if we choose against it it's only for another more generalized motivation or maybe a conceptual motivation but i feel like the motivations that spring up in us is is all that exists as far as motivating behavior so is as much as i am motivated to condemn that behavior part of me thinks to myself well i wasn't born with the same disposition as that evil intentioned woman was you know so what are your thoughts on that well i i when someone really wants me to unravel free will or um make a convincing argument or how it might be possible that we really and truly are free to go against our instincts and this desire and that consideration and this more general consideration and this more specific one and the one that's acute and the one that's you know it's like if someone asked me to try to theoretically unravel all that or at least speculate about all that i just sidestep the entire issue and i say there are two cases either we have free will i mean i'm speaking from a christian perspective okay either we have free will and we have a responsibility to choose wisely to choose life and that our eternal destiny is on the line heaven and hell right that's what i believe or not and if not i mean then christianity is false and all the monotheistic religions are false and we're just going to end up being worm worm food plant food whatever you want to call it will be six feet under and we'll just our molecules get recycled into whatever comes next right so it's like is there is there a difference between the best case scenario and the worst case scenario for any human is there a difference if there is no difference if you just end up being worm food then eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die and you're just plant food so if you believe in christianity if you believe in some it doesn't have to be christianity it could be hinduism it could be buddhism the different forms of eastern religions that believe in the survival of the individual right some believe that there's only god and that we are just part of god and we're all going to go back to the godhead and so there's only heaven there's only heaven right so in that case you may as well not have free will because no matter what you do you're going to end up going back to your identity your true identity which is the godhead it's just like there's a happy ending it's called heaven it's called your god and that's all there is and the other the separation is an illusion maya okay so that's why i don't that's why i don't favor the eastern religions right i think they're foolish i think it's just hard solipsism it's just there's just god your god that's it now in terms of uh judaism and christianity and islam we have among most of those mainstream mainline forms of those religions we have the very real possibility of heaven or hell and you have to choose and so the atheist or the agnostic or the one who hasn't committed to a monotheistic religion is in the sticky situation of saying well if you know pascal's wager like i mean uh it matters or it doesn't matter like i got to decide i gotta commit and the beauty with pascal's wager is that if you're wrong when you commit when you commit to christianity and christianity is false you don't lose anything but if you commit to paganism and paganism is false you end up in hell well there is a hidden lincoln that pascal's wager though that i'd like to sleuth out which is um you there can be a universe of free will and a universe of monotheism but um depending on the monotheism your behavior and your choices of your free will may or may not be tied to your ultimate fate so you could it's logically consistent to pose a a monotheistic universe with free will agents where regardless of their moral behavior they're gonna end up the same place yeah sure that that's when you abandon the reality of justice but i monotheism teaches that justice is real truth is real goodness is real health is real beauty is real and they all are united together they're all united in the person of god right so all the monotheistic religions teach this justice is real you don't go toward truth without simultaneously moving toward justice so there is if there is a god he is the source of all the pure perfections truth justice beauty goodness etcetera okay so if there's no god just do what you want to do that's it like so basically the way i see the two world views there's the world view of aleister crowley and the law of the lemma do what the wilt do what thou wilt this is my advice to everyone do what they wilt you're an atheist great do it that wilt you're a satanist do it thou wilt you're a catholic love god and do with that world that's saint augustine what he said yeah the one maxim love god and do without wilt so all crowley did was remove god that's the same it's the same thing do what that wilts right so the bot the fundamental option is are you gonna love god or not because either way it's the same advice the religions are in agreement the two religions are in agreement that you should do what you want to do that's it it's not hard and uh so the the real question is does it make a difference and if you believe in justice then by that very fact you believe in god and so you are what i would consider a de facto monotheist and you should be self-aware enough to appreciate that and get excited too at the same time but at the same time you know there's a reason why there's a word for justice and a word for god and there are relevant distinctions that at least in theory whether regardless of the truth of the matter can be separated and thought of separately yeah yeah yeah i mean we we have different words for and different you know different sort of contexts for uh health beauty and goodness and truth and justice and peace and unity and all these things okay we treat of them differently and separately sometimes but this is the this is just the humbling uh and startling situation we find ourselves in as finite creatures and i think if you meditate on the fact that you right now are a finite creature meaning that you uh didn't always have existence you were brought into existence even if you're a naturalist even if you're a naturalist you'll say okay well my parents you know created procrea i would say procreated but you might say created me in the womb of your mother or whatever and uh bam here i am and uh it's all a wonderful naturalistic mystery or a naturalistic miracle if you want to appropriate that word yeah um and uh but the the if you meditate on the fact that you're finite that you don't know everything you're not all powerful you know you're not omni benevolent obviously uh you meditate on that and you meditate on the fact that your life is coming to an end soon uh and then you think about the infinite i mean even if you want to think about it in a very cold dry way like on pencil on paper in your math class yeah the infinity symbol just you're sitting there and you've got this infinity symbol and you know what that represents right you know what it represents you a finite creature are contemplating the infinite just think about that meditate on that i think these are the the these exercises are so humbling and they're so mind-boggling and then you can transport beyond your finitude you can go beyond this sort of horizontal wave living your life and with all its petty concerns and you can start really confronting god in the sense that you are being confronted in your smallness by the greatness of god i think this is a very useful exercise how do you feel about what i've just walked you through so this this is right up my wheelhouse when i was 16 15 or 16 that was my own pet project actually was you know starting like i had that same sense of awe when contemplating in math class the fact that a finite creature can contemplate the infinite and so i i i built a kind of rickety um uh syllogism from that to the trinity back when i was in high school because i was trying to you know kind of develop my own ontological framework and um but i so now looking back what i i want to propose to you is you know we have this symbol that represents this boundless you know the infinite like we we are we have a name for it that's enough now but we may be able to construct a a definition of a boundless value or you know the the the great beyond but that doesn't mean that we have a course i mean you know we don't have a corresponding idea of that in our mind but what i'm afraid might happen is we get we think we have an i we think we're thinking about it because we have the name for it so ha ha i'm thinking about infinity when what you're actually thinking about is a sideways eight and you're like this is the best sideways especially because you know you've been wandering around this world right and so there you see it on paper wow oh yeah there's where we had the little mini adventure with the ogre and there's where we did this and that remember that oh i remember when we did this and that the other thing and you go down memory lane looking at this map that the dm finally put together for you and i had a drawing of my characters i had drawings of my characters and we all did drawings of our characters and it's like it's the same thing with this uh mathematical symbol of infinity right it's like it transports you it transports your imagination it transports your mind so the ultimate fundamental question is is it a fantasy is it just is it just imagination is it just a silly kid's game or is it some demonic deception right like i mean i think dnd is demonic just because that's the sort of consensus of the the catholic consensus on it so it's like that's dangerous whatever right the context i actually didn't know that i i had heard that but i didn't know that there was any consensus on that it's not it's not it's not a full consensus it's not it's not dogmatic by any stretchy imagination but i just i have chosen to err on the side of of caution i see and i know that i love the demonic i know that i love satan i love uh like i said the destruction the chaos the confusion like i was i was always playing a very devilish character in d and d i would always be chaotic neutral okay nice chaotic neutral that's sort of my predisposition mess things up and be a disturber so the the uh the map like the map is not the destination right so uh there's a famous saying i forget which saint said it uh i think it was thomas aquinas saint thomas aquinas i think he's the one who said our faith is not in propositions our faith is in the reality indicated by propositions or the reality behind those propositions or the reality to which those propositions direct are pointing yeah yeah is that does that sound familiar to you yep yeah i was a big fan of thomas aquinas back in the day so so this whole thing about the map and the finger like the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon you know you know you've heard this in eastern religions and stuff like that so is that sort of at the heart of the the conundrum so where where it becomes a problem is you can have let's say two arrows are pointing in opposite directions and then you ask well where are the arrows what point are the arrows pointing there's already a problem in the phrasing of the question because they're technically not like it has to be unraveled in other words so i feel like a lot of the you know the monotheism from christianity is is jam-packed like instead of one concept of one name it's like 50 propositions uh molded into one like black hole of meaning not not in a bad way but the density and so i think like what what is referred to as one entity is actually like 50 very complex entities you know what i mean i was just thinking about the sort of interpretation of signs symbols gestures and these sorts of things and how there could be a built-in ambiguity you know you could have secret handshakes in the freemasons and this sort of thing yeah you could have like for example i to be silly with my wife i used to tell her i still tell her i love her but i used to tell her like i love you this much and i could indicate it by holding two of my fingers apart i would put my fingers as close together as possible i love you this much and i would like the fingers are practically touching okay i love you this much instead of putting my arms as far apart as i can and say i love you this much i put my fingers as close together as possible they're touching practically i say i love you this much and she's like what and then i explained to her well no it's not the area in between it's not the distance in between the two fingers uh that you see here in between them it's the distance in between them going outward from the outer finger oh nice across the universe and then back to the other side of the other finger okay nice so i mean there's a lot of room for ambiguity when it comes to arrows like when you talked about the two arrows pointing in different directions the first thing i thought about is that as a physicist i i studied physics and as a mathematician i'm not physicist or mathematician but i did study at university uh there is um immediately a sort of alternative solution that comes to mind where there is an intersection there is a point of intersection no matter how you want to point these two arrows there's going to be a point of intersection okay because of the curvature of space time like you can you can you can find the point of intersection you just need to have a sufficient sufficiently sophisticated model of the curvature of space-time and you're going to find believe me you're going to find a point of intersection it might spiral around the entire universe a billion times a trillion times but there will be an intersection point so that's what i thought of when you said where are these arrows pointing well i would say they're pointing to that point of intersection nice that's a good that's a very creative uh uh you know third way that i wasn't considering and i'm glad you brought that up because i think that those types of philosophical or you know you know those types of solutions are available to us through reason alone and i feel like that we're well from exhausting those options yeah yeah yeah the the point is not to say oh look how creative i am the point is to say that life is wonderfully complex and the complexity can it can either overwhelm you and stifle you yeah or it can free you and i mean if you i don't know if you engage in poetry music dancing or whatever kind of creative purely creative artsy things if you do any of those things but i mean there comes a point where you're like i'm bored i'm out of ideas or whatever and you have to shake it up you have to put constraints you have to ask a friend to give you a rule and i think it was brian eno if i'm not mistaken i don't know if you know his music uh i think he came up with a deck of cards maybe 100 cards of creative stimulants and so you can just pull out one or two or three of these and it's like just random sort of ideas like what would your best friend do right you're composing music and that card says what would your best friend do and you're like oh what the hell what does that mean anything you think about george and how he's always picking his nose and that gives you an idea right so i mean it's totally lateral thinking like uh and as you know as human beings we have this we have this potential to be creative we also have the potential to be lazy spiritually lazy creatively lazy and i mean it's all very mysterious to me but in terms of free will you can muster up the energy just like you can muster up the energy if you're tired and you don't want to get up in the morning to go to work you can just say well heave-ho let's go and just you know take a shower or whatever it takes to swim at yourself maybe you have coffee i don't do coffee but some people do coffee like i mean they're little tricks to gold yourself into action it's the same thing with your own um your own project or even if you're doing parenting like i mean i'm not a parent but i would imagine it becomes a bit repetitive and whatever if you're not uh you know if you're letting life uh the burden of life get to you it can just become like a chore and then you have to you have to take a time to say well come on this is not a chore this is the best this is the best part of living you know giving giving myself to these young these young people and making their life better and you can come up with ways to stimulate yourself to be a better parent and all this sort of thing so all of this to say that we have a certain burden of responsibility and it can crush us and then we have to make the time and take the energy to find creative ways to stimulate ourselves i don't even know why i'm talking about this but no it's it's because uh you know what may be perceived as a dead end in a philosophical examination of the concept of god might just be our lack of creative thinking there you go yeah so i and because i just because i'm at a roadblock doesn't mean that that's the roadblock like i'm i'm still completely open to you know those creative solutions i just i i've been doing a lot of reading and i i can't you know i'm in the uh the self if i have to if it's mandated for me morally to be consistent for my words to be consistent with my internal beliefs i just don't have those internal beliefs because of those roadblocks and so it would to to proclaim prematurely would be disingenuous and sinful so i'm kind of in a uh interesting quandary as far as you know that one of my friends that i interviewed uh you can go and listen to his interview if you want um and when i say you i mean listener and yourself um anthony he uh always one always tells me he mentioned to me a couple of times that there are two kinds of people those who are predisposed to religion and faith in god and those who aren't and he said i david i'm predisposed and he anthony is not so that seemed to me like a sort of sad analysis um i don't believe it i choose not to believe that because that's just horrible right that's sort of calvinism 101 right there i guess oh yeah i didn't even make that association until you mentioned it i have a couple of uh i'm going to let you go soon but i have a couple of questions because you're uh a bright guy with a lot of ideas i want to just give you a couple of quick things that you're going to respond to okay so the first one the first one before i forget it uh well they're two one is groceries and one is gold digging okay so i'll do the gold digging one first cool so when i was i broke my wrist several years ago and that led to my conversion to god actually it's connected but oh because i had surgery and it's the first time i went under general anesthesia and it was like the best time of my life i had the best time of my life being under general anesthesia why was it so much fun why would why was it what explain to me this is now it's a third topic why was it so much fun just not being there like why how how can you explain that i woke up from the general anesthetic i was on top of the world i was like oh my god why'd you wake me up like you leave me there leave me where i was that was amazing but i have zero memory of it i don't know where i went what i did who i talked to you know but shortly thereafter i became a monotheist okay is that causally connected i don't know but i my gut tells me yeah okay so anyway um i'm getting way off topic here the gold oh yeah because my wrist i went to physiotherapy for like a year and a half to try to get flexibility back in my wrist and they did two surgeries on me like they put a metal rod in and then they messed it up when they tried to take it out it's just a big nightmare anyway at physiotherapy uh there's a poster on the wall and it's got uh like a little you know um miner with a shovel like a pit pic axe or whatever it is and he's like digging through his tunnel it's just going uh toward the right side of the paper okay it's like big long tunnel he's going going going going going going going and then the image just shows him like sort of slouching and all depressed walking back to the left out of the tunnel that he made because he didn't find any gold okay right the the punch line of this is that if he had just given one more strike of his pickaxe he would have found the biggest treasure like the gold mine right but he just turned back at the wrong time like i mean he just needed to do one more strike with his pickaxe so the message here is one of these motivational posters it's a corny message but i mean it's uh it's sad but true i mean it is tragic that people gave up right at the point when they could have done just that one little bit of of extra and they would have had the reward how do you feel about that how does that poster strike you so yeah i agree that happens all the time in all fields and wakes of life uh i'm not sure i think what the reason why you're bringing it up is kind of you know the search for religious truth is that where you're leaning i don't know i'm i just came to me and i'm just talking about it you seem to know more about why i say what i do than i do how funny yeah well no i think that that is you know it's if i had to go technical it'd be a balance of probability and you know cost benefit analysis um you know how much how much gold did you want to have can you survive without the gold at all i can make it boring or i can make it emotional impact it's like oh why didn't you just oh yeah the emotional impact is the same frustration like oh just you could have kept going if only you knew yeah the other the other question this is going to be completely ridiculous unconnected with religion i think okay you could probably read something into it but um i was buying groceries and you know i don't have much of a filter the only reason that i didn't say it quite frankly is because they make me wear a mouth diaper when i go to the grocery store like i have to wear a muzzle so um i wanted to say it but i didn't i didn't say it to the girl but the girl that was checking me out or whatever is that does that sound appropriate she's checking me out she was checking me out because i'm so hot but um i was gonna ask her and i want to ask you like the fact that eight hours a day five days a week for however many months or years she's been working there she's seeing a variety of uh uh how should i put this um purchases or like a variety of like people coming through with their selection of products okay like how has that impacted you tell me honestly has that helped or hurt your own food choices what do you think ooh if i were in her shoes yeah well what do you think what do you think do you think that people at the checkout counter at a grocery store that have been doing it like full time for a long time do you think that they make generally statistically make better healthier food choices because they see a variety of ways of shopping like some maybe they see a lot of overweight people buying predominantly carbs and sugar maybe they see a bunch of young fit people buying like vegetables and whatever uh yeah do you think that that is an advantage for them that it helps them or do you think that they is it possible they go the other way like it's like they're being constantly tempted like wow look at all these things i can buy or like what just what's your analysis of that i think the analysis is more towards the first idea the only problem is there's also the genetic factor too so what might happen but i think it that would be solved through the the aggregate average the law of averages so i think that they would definitely get a benefit because they would see they would see a variety of types of people male female young old and then they would be able to you know glean and associate those averages like all right so this this type of person is always getting twinkies and this type of person's always getting protein shakes like and then i think whether they even want to or not it's going to influence their shopping habits just there's no way they because if they see it eight hours a day five days a week the next time they see it on the shelf the the images of those people buying those is just going to flash right in their conscious memory and they it's totally going to influence their shopping can you can you imagine this is like a thought experiment the this woman has been working since her early teens because it's part of the family business this grocery store all the way up to her her 90s her late 90s at the grocery store same job day in day out and she's seen that some of these clients like their regular clients as an ethnic community grocery store some of these clients have come in every day they buy their beer their cigarettes their twinkies okay every day and other other clients come in and they buy the protein shakes and their low fat meat and their low carb diet and their vegetables and their greens and everything else okay and then it's like at a certain point it's like oh where did joe the mr america workout guy i haven't seen him in a while where is he where is he oh he dropped dead like he had a heart attack whatever it's like oh well that's weird because this guy that's like living on beer cigarettes and twinkies is still here and he's like he's lived to a ripe old age you know what i mean it's so so funny so are these like when you talk about doing an overview and analysis in the aggregate are these outliers are these exceptional uh is it uh like how do you explain this stuff i think that's directly that your confidence in the results is directly proportional to the amount of people and factors you're taking into consideration so uh the person that's been there from 18 to 90 her confidence and her results is better than someone that's been there 10 years the person that's done it at 50 stores versus one store has a higher degree of confidence in the results she sees i think that when it comes to the complexity of biological health i think that i think that people think science has gotten us somewhere and it has but we are basically in the stone age as far as the true science that is reliable because because there's how many trillion cells in the human body all integrated all interactive all changing minute by minute and then you you're telling me that if you study five people's eating habits that you can glean any useful information out of that that's this it's insane i i've seen people who you know smoke two packs a day they look fine and i've seen a you know 20 something year old soccer player just dropped dead like it to me we're fooling ourselves if we if we're telling ourselves we have any correlation like maybe on this one cell to another cell maybe we have something but when it's a full human forget it you know just whatever you can i feel like i feel like that we have a long way to go are you a fan of the original star trek series i i just started watching it so i've only like five episodes in too really yeah yeah because all the people like i'm into other sci-fi and everybody else is into star trek so i'm like all right i have to give this a shot what do you think of the first five episodes i really like it i like uh captain kirk yeah i love how just mature he is and how he's able to just handle stressful and complex situations i thought you were gonna say you like how he handles all the ladies oh yeah well that's only in like one of i somebody showed me like a five minute clip and it was very uh inappropriate for today's climate versus back then but uh uh yeah no it's it's really good yeah yeah well the reason i bring it up is because uh in one of the movie if i'm not mistaken one of the movie i didn't enjoy the movie that much but uh in one of the movies i believe or perhaps in one of the episodes or maybe the movie was based on the episode anyway it doesn't really matter but dr bones james mccoy uh he's the doctor and uh he was just horrified because you have to remember this was filmed in the uh 20th century but they they do some time travel and i think it's set i forget which century it's set in but it's way in the future okay and uh they try they travel through time they go back to the 21st century so just remember that the audience is in the 20th century and the the the this fantasy is about the far distant future with all the technology and everything else and then they travel back in time to the 21st century so it's still the future for those who are in the 20th century watching it so it's still the future right and so we naively think well technology is amazing today imagine what it's going to be like in the next century wow amazing right but dr mccoy says in this episode like he's just horrified and he's just horrified by 21st century medicine like just how primitive and brutal it is even though it was glorified well beyond what we have today in this sci-fi depiction right like the 21st century stuff was like whatever but i always think about that like i always think about the relative uh the relativity when we compare medical technology today to the past into the future and like how uh how excited we can get about how genius how we're the greatest geniuses that ever were and we're at the pinnacle of society and the pinnacle of this and the pinnacle of science and we understand so much and that's not everything and so as a child i was watching um star trek and i learned a lot uh you know philosophically i think from from the show just the way they they portray different uh points of view and even the main characters like spock and dr mccoy and uh kirk and the others uh they have these sort of uh joseph campbell archetypes that they fit into quite nicely and so i think i think it shaped my psyche quite a bit watching that it was probably my favorite show but that that particular idea has stuck with me to be a little bit skeptical and cautious about medical sciences even though there's hype and even though like the future is now like we have this such advanced technology it's like uh dial it back a bit your enthusiasm oh it's funny you mention that because we were inventing the same decade the transistor was invented the same decade the nuke bomb was invented and the same decade you know we were sending things into space like we had doctors recommending cigarettes like so you know we're there could be a mismatch depending on the field so we might you know in one field be as advanced as we could be in another field we might be just starting and so to conflate our technology as one block and think we're on x level progress just because we have a space station you know we might yeah for have inhabiting low earth orbit sure but still haven't made it to the moon though but um just joking but um it you know plot twist turns out fast forward 100 years turns out smoking cigarettes is actually the best thing you can do right i'm just joking but with that cigarette with that cigarette and uh the grocery analogy that we made the guy that smokes two packs a day and all that sort of thing we never know we don't know what's going on we don't know what's going on really when it comes to these highly highly complex uh systems and that's why i that's why i pose uh very vocally i oppose the vaccine mandates so-called vaccines i oppose the vaccine passport here in quebec we have a vaccine passport i am firmly i am firmly committed to remaining a second-class citizen i here in quebec right now i'm a class citizen i'm not allowed to go to these non-essential businesses or concerts or restaurants or you know uh soon they're gonna probably prevent me from going and getting the sacraments at church i did phone my bishop and i phoned my auxiliary bishop and i talked to the secretaries of both of those bishops and they asked on my behalf while i was on hold waiting to get the answer they informed me that the bishops are assuring me that i will never be deprived of the sacraments as a catholic even if i choose to remain quote unquote unvaccinated so it's a big concern not because i don't think it's the greatest medicine ever invented i i don't believe it is greatest medicine ever invented but even if you could show me and prove to me 100 this is will you'll lose weight you're going to look better your teeth will be brighter you're going to stand taller you're going to have a higher iq you're going to be have clarity of thought you're going to live to be 300 years old you're going to have you know all your dreams are going to come true and so i think you should take it i would be like no i'm not going to take it because you're forcing it down my throat and you're removing you know you're placing me in a second class status and you're building concentration camps for people like me so i'm firmly committed to remaining in the second class no matter what because the issue is not health i don't care about my health i care about my eternal salvation i care about free will i care about my autonomy as an individual that i am a human being created in the image and likeness of god right well you know i'm i'm i'm with you on most of the conclusions but for totally different reasons so i'm i am very i'm anti-state i'm you could conceive of me as a philosophical anarchist i don't believe that state authority is valid even when i i know this is kind of a radical thing but i've read a lot of anarchist thinkers and they've they've kind of convinced me that the whole thing is kind of a charade and uh so my that passion that you're you're mentioning about all this i'm i'm fully on board with but for the autonomy of the individual yeah and and so i you know the it's such an obvious farce that this government is doing this for your own good like come on like it's just too ridiculous and not only that they also failed just in their own pr management like you there there are successful dictatorships and there's successful oligarchies and they know how to manage public opinion and this was just a disaster like this was just let's piss everyone off and then have you know do everything wrong as far as public perception and public opinion and could just get everyone riled up and we're going to keep the same doctor representative who admitted he lied to everybody like it's just so fail like it's yeah yeah it's unbelievable and not only that you know where does because you know the counter argument is well we're trying to protect other people yeah but you're also being inconsistent because you allow people with mass to go into restaurants and then take it off for the majority of the time inside yeah like it it it's it like i i feel the same way i get really exasperated you know that cults and um other tyrannical systems use contradiction as a way of programming people right like you break them with contradictions like you you you you you do not want to be consistent you do not want to be consistent because say they they lit then your victim has his bearings but if you want to him to destroy them if you want to disorient them you need to confuse them with contradiction like blatant the bigger the more blatant the contradictions the better these are well techniques with mind control they're well known techniques well that's pretty uh scary it's dark it's very dark it's very dark but the the pragmatic outcome of all this satanic the the pragmatic outcome is the mask is coming off we can see that satan has zero self-control he's like he just in his pants he's like he's bending us over he's like we're screaming no no no and he's raping us mentally okay like he's like he's just can't control himself so this is the reason i don't give consent i will never give consent to these domineering governments and i don't know i don't even know who these governments are like who's who's up above because it's liberals it's conservatives it's everyone in between here in canada they're all saying exactly the same thing even though they start out saying one thing they all fall in line so there's someone maybe above them i don't know how this works but it doesn't really matter the point is i will never give consent because it's just like that innocent girl who has the jock boyfriend it's like if you want to find out if he's a good guy or a bad guy do not give him consent for sex do not give him consent because if he's a if he's a selfish guy and he's going to rape you the only way to find out is to never give him consent for sex because i can tell you he wants to get in your pants he wants to have sex with you so if you the only way to know if he's a good guy or a bad guy is to never give him consent and then you'll find out because i mean right now we're getting raped and i never gave consent so it's a bad guy i have the proof in the pudding he's a bad yeah no and you know this is it also follows historical trends too of using an emergency a public threat as a precedent and then you give them that inch and then they take it and run oh two weeks to find that yeah right you know yeah unbelievable no day one day one when this hit the news and i can tell you that there are very few things in my life that came on my radar because i avoid the news like a plague because i don't want to be a brainwashed i avoid the news but about four things got on my radar during my whole life like oj simpson case the 911 you know a couple things okay yeah if it gets on my radar it's big big big big news okay yeah so um when this came on my radar the first thing i thought was this is fishy since when do we have consensus about anything why is this so well orchestrated why is everyone on the same page why uh i i mean this stinks well here's another one so okay even if you grant so i e all right there's a whole other level of fail here i'm gonna blow your mind so let's let's grant the opposing side that you're actually the government is doing some it's like enforcing masks to protect innocent people like let's just give them that narrative okay i there's a guy a scientist i don't know if you know him on youtube called thunderfoot and he is very data driven and he's even pro mask but he it con used the math and the trends of the virus and its spread to conclude that unless you if if one-sixth of the population did not comply 24 7 with a very specific n95 mask that all the effort would be in vain anyways and so even if you were able to get you know 60 percent of people to buy in 100 the way the virus can move and its methods of transmutation and all this it was going to be inevitable so a lot of this is kind of like um the security at airports where whenever they get tested somebody's always able to bring in a weapon it's it's like a public theater to satisfy the people that want to feel safe by something they can visually look and say oh i see people with mass i feel safe even though if you wear that mask more than three hours then it's inert and all these other facts that totally dismantle what happens in practice i said from day one i said what we should be doing by we i mean individuals and governments what we should be doing is saying hey guys seems like the bio weapon escaped or whatever so let's because that was my hunch right let's everyone take the precautions that you feel are appropriate for example if granny is vulnerable yeah don't don't spit in her mouth how's that okay if you know if your child has a bunch of comorbidities and struggling to stay alive don't spit in his mouth or whatever that the lockdowns were not targeted for the more at-risk groups was a red flag for me they killed off the old people they killed off the old people yep they killed us they're vulnerable they kill they kill babies in the womb i don't if you pro-life or not but they kill babies in the womb by the millions they're killing old people by the hundreds of thousands if not in the millions i don't know but they're like purposely letting people die i have a good friend who's 83 he was neglected he died because he got the shot i can't prove it okay i can't prove it he was perfectly healthy works every day italian guy and uh he got the shot he got both shots and uh suddenly he's in the hospital and he got completely neglected oh my god he just died like he was just left to die his family was begging for treatment his family was begging do something do something do something just let him die it's like what is how how what is the world coming to like i mean i have this naive fantasy about the good old days in the middle ages where the universities and the churches were run by the and the universities and the hospitals were run by the catholic church and you have a bunch of holy nuns and you know it's all just like this glorious wonderful good old days so it probably wasn't actually like that but if you look at if you look at the history of psychology and the treatment of the mentally ill and you look at the uh sanitarium model and how it was first how it was first implemented in in america and how beautiful it was having the large gardens and walking around having a lot of space and then how that same system was over populated and it was you know then we started bringing in chemical treatments and uh and uh it just turned into hell on earth like hell on earth so it went from a little taste of of heaven where you've got this pastoral beautiful space and everyone has the space to to regain their health and their sanity and their balance to a hellish nightmare prison like what we see with the with the justice system where we think hey oh this 14 year old kid got in some trouble hey let's put him in this hellish nightmare overcrowded uh you know uh criminal cesspool well it's uh how do you take yourself seriously as a leader of the people no i think what happens is is these positions are attractive to people who have certain mental problems certain um control issues in their own personal lives and what they do is they project and like so let's say they feel really uncomfortable with their family situation so they're like they don't get along with their family for xyz reasons instead of confronting that issue and addressing it and communicating what they do is they feel frustrated and they feel that they're out of control so they they're like i need a position where i feel like i'm in control okay good i could be a cop with a baton great oh somebody's not wearing a mask i'm gonna start whacking them like that makes me feel like i'm in control the whole time it's their their brain is trying to address a real issue that's in them and not what's external and i think what's happened is that over the course of time you set up these roles in society and even if they start out great and you start up with the you know checks and balances and redundancies and this and that those people and find their find their way in and then they exude all that all their illness you know onto the world why is it that in christendom what used to be called christendom england australia new zealand canada you know why are we seeing such brutality with respect to the lockdowns the mandates uh the vaccine passports all this you know i'm have you seen australia yeah it's i i'm honestly i'm at a loss for words i never would have believed it had i not seen it like i it actually is very concerning yeah yeah it's it's orwellian or huxley and i don't know it's it's because i hope it i hope it won't survive with while uh you know social media people with iphones filming it i mean before it was a lot more easy to hide that type of brutality and there's some the anarchist thinkers i listened to they said that this always existed but now we're just seeing it so that all that level of brutality nothing's changed except our awareness one other topic i want to touch on briefly with respect to this nightmare scenario that we're living through now uh and i call it a plan endemic because there's so much planning like there governments that should have that should not be reaching into my medical decisions are like reaching down and overreaching and like imposing their will on my on my autonomy um so i call it a plan demik for that reason not because i know that oh i know it's the rockefellers and i know what bill gates is up to and i know well i don't know any of that i don't even care like you could tell me hey do you want to tell you all the secrets of all the bad guys and what they get up to no i don't care right but there's a plan there's too much planning i don't know what the plan is i don't know what i don't care what their plan is but i can tell you one thing their planning is is interfering with my autonomy my god-given autonomy okay so that's why it's a pandemic but the the line in the sand that has been drawn has is is so profound that you see among your family and among your friends that there is an us and them dichotomy that's being set up and uh i mean it's just it's just dramatic it's very dramatic and you can see you can see people taking uh one of two radical positions right it's like they're cheerleaders and their snitches and they're gonna turn you in and they're gonna bully you they're gonna pressure you they're gonna blame you they're gonna it's just it's just uh it's indistinguishable from uh north korean communism you know even though it's not quite that extreme yet but all the elements are there yeah no and and you know what's funny too is just to pin more holes on the other side you know risk management you know has to be proportional to the the degree of actual risk like and i know that for certain age groups the pandemic was the lockdowns were actually more harmful like if you measure mental health if you measure suicide rates if you measure you know all these other factors like we're not responding to any other you know like heart disease or lung cancer we're not making lockdowns yeah those numbers have gone up all those numbers have gone up death by those things and the other thing is like i've always said i've always said it would be better to do nothing absolutely nothing in response to this so-called pandemic and it's not a pandemic because the the definition of pandemic was changed a couple years ago anyway but uh so it's no longer a deadly or widely spread thing it's just something that we're concerned about so the flu now is pandemic okay i'm not saying that this whatever this bio weapon is is just the flu like i mean i'm sure they tried to make it more deadly it just i think it's not quite as effective as i thought it was like they're just they hyped it up so much in their own minds they're like oh guys there's this deadly thing it's like this this weapon we made is so deadly well no it's not it's a dud okay um and same thing with your solution with this uh mrna and all these different technologies it's like i i think that about 20 if that is actually viable once it gets into the arm of the person like as a temperature sensitivities and all these sorts of things and how many placebos like what percentage are placebos i don't know somewhere between zero and fifty percent or something like that right uh my friends think i'm crazy that for even proposing the idea that they would use placebos in a trial well it's a trial they're gonna use placebos they have they have lot numbers they have different recipes they've already admitted they have different recipes and they have lot numbers to track so they can compare and contrast oh well they drop dead when we use this proportion of these components let's dial that back or maybe they dial it up i don't know like do they want to reduce the world population i don't know like i said there's a pandemic they're over planning what is their plan how nefarious is their plan i don't know i don't care but just stop micromanaging my life um but this question of uh the people that buy completely into the system and that are completely brainwashed and have stockholm syndrome it boggles my mind and we're really seeing who care which of your family and friends which of them have principles and care about the individual rights and are god-given rights and which don't which want to go along to get along and i often think about the comparison with nazi germany and i don't think it's that it's inappropriate i don't think it's an exaggeration i think the germans were nice people i think that they just compromised a little bit on the com on their principles just a little bit every day and like i i i said today to my wife it's like some of these not you know so-called nazis were just their only job was to welcome the jews into the camp they're like hi welcome go this way your your books over there like that's all they did they didn't feel bad about it they're just like you know work is freedom this is the way to freedom like this is what you have to do and like uh you know it's just little compromises here and there that's what corruption is and the evil overlords of the satanic world like i mean i'm exaggerating a little bit but not much i actually do believe that the this world is run by satan and his minions and the there are people who are doing the bidding of satan because they love they love money power illicit pleasures whatever it is right but um they depend like i think you said like they depend on the complicit cooperation of a certain percentage of the population and they're getting more than i think is reasonable to expect now speaking of these of these expectations of compliance anyone in his right mind who says oh there's this disease and we have to get everyone vaccinated for herd immunity and so we need a certain percentage of the population to get vaccinated with this experimental stuff it's the only way it's the only way and the solution i propose is that we have to have everyone vaccinated everyone on the planet has to get vaccinated that's my plan that's my solution the first thing i would say to that is zero because have you met a human have you ever met a human being have you met one because some of them some of them like to go against the the against the grain some of them like to be a stick in the month some of them like to say you right no matter what you propose i happen to be one of those people by the way so have you met a human being it's ridiculous and on top of everything you were talking about you know going through the trials for the drug even the virus itself has completely wildly different effects on people and nobody knew the cause so you're you have all this level of confidence in this solution and you don't even understand it's it's a nightmare it's a nightmare the the central issue for me the most important thing that we learn about our friends our family our neighbors and ourselves is where do you draw the line what's important to you what are your principles right and it's being it's being revealed it's being revealed and it's tragic it's sad there's still time to convert i think a lot of people are converting i've seen people uh on i mean bit shoots full of crazy people but there are people on bit chute saying i have buyer's remorse and i was sold a bill of goods and i thought i would only need two shots now i'm signed up for infinite shots and two pills a day and when you realize when you realize the train that you've gotten on it is like the jews getting on that train it's like oh i'm going to a work camp and i'm going to work it's not so bad no but i mean it's too late you're on the train like you're screwed how much is too much i mean soon they're going to not let anybody drive because of all the car accidents you know it's like there is a level everyone's willing to accept a certain level of risk just function in society at all like and so if you let that train of logic take you oh well i'm trying to be safe that you're going to just end up in a uh solitary confinement and feel as safe as a clam yeah the the it is so blatant it is so blatantly obvious as you said as you rightly said it's so blatantly obvious that they do not care about our health this is not a health issue this is a control issue if i mean just look at the way they're killing small businesses and the way that the people are being paid here here in canada it was over two thousand dollars a month to stay at home a lot of uh my friends are artists and uh hippie isn't just uh that's the most money they've ever received right so i mean if this is sustainable like i mean if we can run a global economy by just paying people to stay at home then gee let's just do that right but it's not sustainable like we're going to be we're going to be faced with uh so many deaths from starvation because of these draconian measures it's completely responsible it's completely ridiculous and it makes me think that they just want to kill us like that's what it makes me think uh can i prove that no do i buy into all the conspiracy theories of the extreme right no i don't obviously these people are crazy right but even crazy people are able to see and recognize uh some portion of the truth right like i mean i think uh i can get as much truth from watching alex jones as i can from watching uh whatever the mainstream channels are i don't know it might not be it might not be a centralized but i think that that it might result in that regardless what do you mean so you know the plan that of of you know slavery of you know mass population the conspiracy yeah like like it may not be one group like it may be different parties different interests and this is it's sort of a like a messy consequence not because yeah yeah exactly yeah but um when we think about the food shortages that are coming and all that it is uh it is frightening but um when when i'm thinking about the small business is being shut down i had a point that i was trying to get here just give me one second i'm going to i think i think someone did crunch the numbers and they did uh create a model that they felt confident was uh somewhat accurate that the we've already passed the number of deaths that we would have had if we'd done absolutely nothing and that means not even using like vitamin c d zinc and question or whatever like we've already passed those numbers you know i mean that that's tragic like that's beyond tragic if it's true it's beyond tragic and i believe it is true i think that the deaths that are already on the books are nothing compared to what's coming and i don't want to be like herbinger of doom but i mean that's just that's just we've seen nothing yet really compared to what's coming right so it's beyond tragic i i'm at a loss for what to do with this upcoming canadian federal election justin trudeau claims to be catholic but he's pro-abortion he's vaccine he's pro all these things did you see him do the uh the she yeah there he he incorporated the uh the more woke terminology and new words and i've he said something you know we need to combat this instead of a recession he genderized it into she sessions and it was like yeah i i recommend you google it because i didn't believe it till i watched him say it wow oh yeah i mean he's he's a ridiculous uh loser in my books um i mean it boggles the mind but there is it is sort of a hopeless situation i can only imagine how you feel as a sort of philosophical anarchist because uh i mean do you spoil your vote do you just not even bother going to vote like no i i don't vote i i it's i do what i try to do is try to um if people ask me i educate them on my principles and why and where because historically you know north america we're better than a lot of the countries have been like you know obviously there was you know monarchies and you know slave ownership and so there is a positive direction even despite the negative direction we're temporarily moving now but i feel like i don't even know if because the population has to be ready for a certain type of social order like when the berlin wall fell the people in the communist country were maladapted to a free market so i think that you know the the type of consent based anarchy that i would envision that type of complex system may require a population that's educated and you know has some level of cooperative means like it is a little utopian but there are lots of like you said like we were talking about earlier creative solutions like the the current government top-down solution is is like is not um is too old it's it we have new tools now that can we can utilize to offer the same types of solutions that the government was initially created for like protection of you know rights and those types of things like there's there's there could be better ways that are worth exploring instead of you know monopolizing violence and you know um governing people without their consent so if we if we look back from the perspective of a future historian and we see oh this these were the growing pains of uh big changes in the way that humanity was going to be uh stewarding uh creation or be you know the whole ecology movement for one thing like that's a big thing that people talk that people talk about whether it's complete or it's like completely true or somewhere in the middle it doesn't matter but the fact is that it's a talking point right like this screen stuff and i i've worked for uh you know pollution probe friends of the earth greenpeace i've worked for these uh ecological organizations and they're just rife with marxist-leninist feminist uh propaganda like it's dominating it dominates okay so um i'm not a fan of these movements because they're um godless and they're satanic but i mean i want to breathe fresh air and drink clean water and i think that the most right-wing person on the planet would agree with me right uh but the most right-wing person might be super rich and just saying well those losers downstream they're just a bunch of black people and indigenous people and their lives don't matter so i could just poison them with my effluent and i'll just pay the fine right so that big bad corporate right-wing rich monster i think is a trope that corresponds somewhat to reality these are monsters and they're evil as a special place in hell for these people okay yeah but he he himself doesn't want to be choking on the air he doesn't want to get sick from the watery drinks like he himself wants what's best for himself he just doesn't have that uh theological virtue of charity whereby he loves his neighbor as himself right yeah and a lot of what there's a difference between what the state does and what the state is intended to do and what's interesting is that advocates of the state you tend to say hey we need a institution to protect those people downstream of this rich but what the state in fact does is protect the rich every time like if you look at the difference between the intention and the technical result it's fascinating depressing yeah oh god god help us all i mean i feel i feel like there are a lot of people that are on the fence about god and religion that are going to look at the world and the way the hypocrisy is becoming more and more blatant and the way that a lack of principles manifests itself in suffering and misery and more and more compounding hypocrisy i think a lot of people are gonna be like okay this is all overwhelming it's all very mysterious it boggles my mind and it's manifest reality so if this is mind-boggling but i'm saying no to god because god and religion is mind-boggling at least i've got two mind-boggling worlds i'm gonna say yes to the world where god is good he's all good he's all knowing he's he loves me he's taking care of me and he's got a place prepared for me in heaven and you know it's like they're both bewildering they're both mind-boggling they're both absurd and incredible meaning both i think somebody said the same thing about the existence of life outside of earth that no matter which proposition is true whether the only life on the universe or there's other life they're both equally astonishing right so the the the decision then becomes i think a little bit easier when we're surrounded by a hellish nightmare here on earth and i mean it could get worse and i think it's going to get worse but and like you said i mean this has been ongoing like i mean i i from day one of this so-called pandemic what i've been saying is i am i have never ever ever been so embarrassed to be a white man never never have i been so embarrassed to be white as i am now that oh my god white people are getting this this illness and oh we have to shut down the world we have to shut down the economy okay have you got your mask have you got your rules have you got this have you got that it's like hello they're people that don't have access to clean drinking water they're people that don't have shelter they don't have security they don't have they don't have proper shelter but people like what the hell what kind of college is this yeah so you know we did the one trillion two trillion stimulus plan we we so there was two trillion dollars just sitting around while decades of starving people like you know like it's crazy it is embarrassing it is it is so hypocritical i mean i actually started donating to a catholic charity that focuses on just like basic needs of people in the developing worlds okay are these charities well a friend a friend of mine a catholic friend said these are good people it's not a corrupt charity okay most of the charities are corrupt even if it's corrupt i don't care even if it's corrupt and the money to go straight into the pocket it all goes to just fundraising and more you know salaries for ceos i don't care i give my small amount monthly to this place it's a vote for god it's a vote for justice it's a vote for those people who don't have access to clean drinking water they don't have access to uh food and shelter and all those sorts of things because i i'm against all the hype about this first world problem that we have like oh my god the the first world is experiencing this pandemic let's just let's just forget about everything else people because the the white guy is in trouble here with a you know it's embarrassing yeah yeah it's funny i never like i that thought crossed my mind but the way you phrased it just now just really punches that point home yeah it's cringe-worthy but you know uh we'll see how it plays i my hunch is that between now and christmas it's going to go one of two ways it's either going to be total like totalitarian domination like we've never seen before or joe average and jane average are going to wake up and say what the this is too much like let's forget about this forget about this push back and then they'll regroup these powers that be whether they're united or not united or aggregate or whatever it is they'll just pull back and they'll say well that was pretty good we advanced further than we ever dreamed we could with this particular push our next push i think will take us over the edge and i think we'll have all our plans implemented next time but let's give you know society 10 20 years to sort of uh forget about what we just put them through and then we'll we'll go with the final push that's my hunch i think that's the way it's going to go what do you think that's your final thought it's really 50 50 because i've heard the seeds being planted of uh this is a trial run for when a real virus happens yeah oh good grief don't even meant oh no yeah can you imagine yeah but then on the other hand i did see footage in australia of people pushing back the riot police they were in a mall they were going to start beating down on some people you know for the mask issue and they the crowd gathered around like i think it was like 10 police and riot gear and they were going up the escalator they're just like get away and so wow have you seen the video have you seen the video years ago that was going viral about the oxen or whatever these cow-like creatures were like there's a whole herd of them and maybe three or four lions that are just like attacking one of them and usually the herd just like runs away and lets the dying one die but at this time they came and saved the one that was being attacked and it's like it's so obvious it's so obvious you outnumber and like i say it just helps swing the pendulum and just sort of see the other side of the coin neither one is healthy right the the right's not healthy the left's not healthy but um i haven't found a truly catholic that's why i avoid catholic media because i haven't found a truly catholic space on the internet right unless it's just some little uh individual that has a little prayer corner on the little page and they do their devotions or whatever that's nice but uh when it comes to social media when it comes to exchanges when it comes to sharing videos and all these sorts of things i always find a bias like i mean even uh what i thought was the most wholesome catholic video sharing website it turns out the they're radtrads they hate uh they hate pope francis i can't tolerate that so it's hard to find catholic a real catholic space so um you know i've got to bounce around between the left and the right and all the crazy ideologies that are being shoved down my throat 24 hours a day if i'm gonna interact with people on the internet and that's just the way it is but then again having my own podcast i can meet people like you individuals that are truly you know uh free as much as you can be from a sort of group think right like that's very that's very important to me the borg speaking of star trek the borg was always sort of a menacing a menacing idea that stuck with me too that was that season was that the second series yes that was the second series scary scary yeah yeah and satan satan does not have creativity he's not imaginative he's not colorful he's dull dreary boring repetitive and he just takes god's good gifts offers them to you so they can take your eternal so that's that's my catholic perspective so he's boring as hell and uh not creative not exciting not fun not refreshing and there's no clean air in hell there's no fresh drinking water there's no good food there's no there's nothing good about hell so if you're listening to this and you're on the fence about god i think uh i think now is the time to sort of take the plunge take the leap of faith and uh get right with god because the end is near i don't want to be dark but the end is near it's always near right so that's it thank you thank you for being with me thanks for chatting with me and i'll definitely have you back soon uh take care and god bless okay all right thanks david for having me on see you soon talk david for having me on see you soon talk soon bye bye