Catholic vs. Protestant – 2017-08-25 – Dan


Dan is very close with a good friend of mine. He has suffered from a lot of health issues, but recently underwent a health and wellness ordeal that positively impacted his faith life. I love the enthusiasm and energy of this kind and generous man.

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0:00 hi I’m Dan and you’re listening to
0:02 Catholic versus Protestant usually like
0:08 to start just by having my guests
0:09 introduce themselves so if you just talk
0:11 to the audience tell them a little bit
0:12 about yourself who you are what you
0:13 believe and how you came to believe it
0:16 The Reader’s Digest condensed version
0:18 well I started out from birth I mean I
0:21 was always involved in Catholic Church
0:24 from the get-go from whether it was
0:25 being an altar boy to Lecter to being a
0:28 sure everything short of being a priest
0:29 we were very active in the church my
0:31 parents faith is as strong as ever and
0:33 God bless him for it as I recently was
0:37 informed by actual seventh-day
0:39 adventists person that I watch
0:41 occasionally there’s gonna be a lot of
0:42 different flavors in the final Church I
0:45 always was attracted to the Christian
0:48 aspects of any church that I’d
0:50 participated in see I’m not religious
0:52 I’m spiritual and to me the difference
0:55 is Dogma and God said this and that’s
0:59 the way it is it’s like okay but am I
1:02 allowed to get there on my own and find
1:05 that truth or are you trying to impose
1:08 something on me and I think I was drawn
1:11 to oh I think keeping the Sabbath from
1:13 Friday night to Saturday is Saturday
1:15 evening and that’s like us again we’re
1:18 introducing seventh-day Adventists as a
1:20 title and again yes I do
1:22 I sub-state with seventh-day Adventist
1:24 people I got baptized in the seventh-day
1:25 Adventist Church but I have friends
1:27 there that we like to look at ourselves
1:30 as plain-jane to know what Christians
1:32 happening to be participating with this
1:33 group but the thing is when it gets
1:35 heated and I don’t think it’s just ego
1:37 right I think its doctrine if I can give
1:40 you an example I had a conversation with
1:42 somebody and so I said you have your
1:45 Catholic Bible Denise oh yeah I have one
1:46 I said do you have a catechism
1:48 and so we got it and I said okay if you
1:51 mind turning to the 10 commandments in
1:53 your catechism so we went through the
1:55 first one I’m the Lord your God we’re
1:57 good on that one second one I shall not
2:00 have idols or etc and make things of the
2:02 earth of that okay oh wait a minute hang
2:05 on let me go to three here I’m the Lord
2:08 your God no idols you shall not take the
2:10 name of the Lord okay how come that’s
2:11 number two now wait
2:13 take the name of Lord your God in vain
2:15 is number two what happened okay let’s
2:17 shove that for a minute we put three off
2:19 to the side let’s see what happens and
2:20 then we get down and we get down and
2:21 then the final one the tenth thou shalt
2:24 not covet thy neighbor’s Goods
2:26 manservant women oxen etc etc all one
2:29 it’s been split in two so I just let
2:33 that hang there and the answer that came
2:37 back was that’s really interesting yeah
2:41 there’s something to that
2:43 so I said I’m just pointing it out and
2:45 they said well lift the holy see and
2:51 they kind of lost me right at that point
2:53 because to me the Word of God is
2:55 immutable if you go into Daniel and it
2:59 says they shall think to change times
3:01 and dates and I’m sitting there going
3:04 you don’t play around in the domain of
3:06 God there’s only one person that has
3:09 power over me that’s Christ and he’s
3:12 under God so when I want to talk to God
3:15 I talked to God or I asked Jesus to
3:19 intercede on my behalf because it’s
3:21 something that you know I’m sure that
3:22 the Holy Spirit is groaning crazily to
3:25 get this message across because it’s
3:26 important but I mean to think that we
3:29 need to have a an intercessor or a
3:32 mediator on behalf of God other than
3:34 Christ to me that’s getting into
3:36 dangerous territory again that’s not a
3:37 judgment that’s simply my I’ve arrived
3:40 at that and to me it’s like if we can
3:43 stay within those bounds then you know I
3:45 said something earlier to a friend I
3:47 said my success without your success is
3:49 not a success so if we start into this
3:52 as an interview and our objective is to
3:54 have a reasonable discussion then you
3:57 know passion I’m all about passion I
3:59 think passion shows you care I think if
4:01 you get a little worked up sometimes
4:03 that’s you know good for the blood right
4:04 it gets it pumping but the long and
4:06 short of it is in the end is if we kind
4:08 of discussions like this freely we have
4:11 a problem and so for me it’s like the
4:13 conversions to another form of
4:16 Christianity your version of it yeah
4:18 it’s important it is part of who I am
4:19 and there was a process to it for a
4:21 reason you know but I have friends that
4:23 still go to Sunday Mass and or Sunday
4:26 church at
4:27 places and I’ll join them you know I I’m
4:31 not participating it may be the same way
4:33 they are but I can still appreciate
4:35 their love of Christ so you know it’s
4:38 like if I show something there was an
4:40 example once I was shown without getting
4:42 into it because somebody might say oh
4:43 that’s leaning a little towards auntie
4:45 this or that but the example was a woman
4:47 says something to Christ and he says
4:50 rather she doesn’t say no you’re an old
4:53 fool and like you’re crazy like you know
4:55 leo what you’re saying is so way off and
4:57 he says no rather instead of this why
5:01 not this and the woman just has to take
5:03 it because she knows that he’s
5:05 explaining it because he cares motor he
5:07 wants her spiritual growth it’s
5:10 important to Christ right I mean it’s
5:12 important to you know the I don’t know
5:14 we want to say the Buddha we want to say
5:16 all these of them they they were on
5:17 spiritual quests they wanted to find
5:19 something that we’re all looking for
5:20 right now whatever that connection is
5:22 okay but in the end you know whether
5:24 it’s the unified field theory whether
5:26 it’s God whether it’s the Great Creator
5:29 whether it’s you know I mean we can go
5:31 in all directions but if we arrive at
5:33 the same place truth is truth and you
5:35 can find truth and everything and I find
5:37 that if you look at fifteen sixteen I
5:39 like sixteen different groups and you
5:42 find the piece of truth that’s in all of
5:43 them all of a sudden it’s like wow
5:46 they were all participating in my growth
5:48 so how is that bad again I had an
5:54 incredible experience in in the forest
5:56 like I was on fire I was like this is
5:59 crazy this guy was telling you this
6:00 about this crystal structures that were
6:02 only here fifty years ago we don’t even
6:04 know what it looks like I see this tree
6:06 and I’m and I’m just amazed and then I
6:08 get back and then the reality of and I
6:11 guess the only way to say it is the
6:12 taint on this earth it was so
6:15 overwhelming now I was also coming off
6:17 of some crazy medications
6:19 pharmaceuticals so there was a lot of
6:21 sweating and like stuff was coming out
6:22 of me so I know that I had a psychotic
6:24 episode at the end for sure because the
6:27 the change from positive to negative was
6:29 so intense and I was like oh wait a
6:32 minute am I even getting this right and
6:34 then I was like look at all the
6:35 destruction right st. Ann’s been it’s
6:37 these touch these things look these
6:39 trees aren’t even in alignment there’s
6:40 there’s an
6:41 and I was just walking around it was
6:42 pure insanity and it was like is that
6:44 going to consume me and then no it was
6:47 like I know I had to walk up this thing
6:49 it was just I don’t know if it’s
6:50 symbolic or whatever it was but I walked
6:52 up this path and I client and I was like
6:54 and I got to the top and guess what
6:56 things aren’t as crazy as I thought I
6:58 still wasn’t sitting with like wow this
7:00 is great but finally this person that
7:03 helped me through all this for the past
7:04 three weeks just took me in and calm me
7:06 down and then I realized as I you know I
7:08 like to set anchors I call them as I go
7:10 through life it’s like oh yeah if I
7:12 forget that confirms to me like yeah I’m
7:14 still connected to reality and I take
7:16 that compared to what I saw of my old
7:20 life it’s almost like I had the choice
7:23 back then and okay maybe I didn’t choose
7:26 darkness exactly but my choice in music
7:29 my choice in attitude my choice in how I
7:31 approach people it was very it might not
7:35 have been angry but it would say it
7:37 wasn’t angry it was aggressive but I
7:38 mean the music was hard rock and so and
7:40 I got to look back on that and and it
7:43 was like I I came to a conclusion that I
7:45 really didn’t deserve a second chance
7:47 because it was like thank God God is God
7:50 and you know it’s like seven times Lord
7:52 or seven times seven oh seven right but
7:54 you know it’s like it sort of became
7:57 really apparent but I can’t blow this
7:59 second chance I’ve been giving so even
8:01 though it was like a current thing it
8:02 connected with the positing I mean I I
8:04 have to remember at six years old I had
8:06 an incident where I had blood poisoning
8:08 and I was in the hospital and I remember
8:10 my mother thought I was far enough away
8:12 so I couldn’t hear but I heard the whole
8:13 conversation and the doctor turned to my
8:15 mother with a team of specialists and
8:17 said I know you’re a religious woman so
8:21 the only thing we can do is tell you to
8:22 pray because there’s nothing left we can
8:24 do and chances are since it’s as high as
8:28 it is it’s gonna enter in his main blood
8:29 stream tonight tomorrow it’ll hit his
8:31 heart and he’s dead well I’m still here
8:34 so that’s the first thing but that was I
8:37 really believe the start to my getting
8:41 that there’s something I got this
8:42 connection with this thing called God or
8:45 this being or this again six-year-old
8:47 interpretation of what I was
8:49 experiencing but it was almost like yeah
8:52 but you almost blew that buddy you know
8:53 like you’ve been through how many times
8:55 my lungs of collapsed I’ve had all kinds
8:57 of crazy things out me exploding
8:58 appendices I mean uh
9:00 oh yeah okay but you know and it’s like
9:03 I look back now and I mean it’s it’s
9:05 beyond shame it’s it’s it’s beyond
9:07 sorrow it’s like I’m really not
9:09 impressed with myself that I wasted all
9:11 those opportunities to help people I
9:12 mean how many years 19 to 53 you know
9:15 and I call it 20 that’s 33 34 years that
9:18 I I mean yes as people have want to
9:20 remind me you know but you were a kind
9:22 person and you were yeah but I was not
9:24 the person I was I know I’m not even
9:27 that person now but I look at this now
9:29 compared to what I was and this is this
9:31 is life-changing this is this is
9:33 completely different this is like wow
9:35 you had these experiences and you were
9:37 spared you know I called it the exacting
9:40 as opposed to the punishing you know the
9:44 second chance was you’re gonna have to
9:46 pay because you did things in your life
9:49 and that’s gonna have repercussions
9:50 maybe into the future so you have to be
9:52 prepared for that right that’s like you
9:54 know if you can’t do the time don’t do
9:55 the crime well if you can’t afford to
9:57 sin then don’t begin right I mean it’s
10:00 like okay well why am i entertaining
10:01 going down that path right it’s I think
10:04 a lot of times we have our experiences
10:07 and when they finally gel it all is like
10:10 yeah now it all makes sense but until
10:13 you get there sometimes those ups and
10:15 downs I mean they’re hellish yeah I
10:16 don’t know another word to put it I mean
10:18 you’re like how can you be so close one
10:20 day and then feel so separated from the
10:21 Lord
10:22 it’s those experiences those highs and
10:24 lows that either bring you to where you
10:26 need to be or you’re missing it
10:28 completely like that’s our problem I
10:29 think we don’t stop you know it’s like
10:32 we still and know that I am God I mean
10:34 let me tell you when you’re in the
10:35 forest it’s very easy to be still until
10:37 your God is right there and and I get
10:40 through this thing in that and they come
10:42 out of it and I go this is what I was
10:43 meant to have as as people of God we
10:47 have an entitlement we have a birthrate
10:50 and that is an abundance we have an
10:53 abundance due to us in clean air clean
10:56 food clean water and proper living that
10:59 we’re supposed to do that in abundance
11:00 right and I mean can you do that in the
11:01 city I believe it’s possible it’s hard
11:04 when the air is brown but you know like
11:06 I got an oxygen tank I’m not afraid to
11:08 use it every saw
11:09 and just to equalize things because I
11:10 had major lung problems and I don’t want
11:13 them in mortar they’ve been taken from
11:15 me by God’s grace you know I mean I’ve
11:17 had so many physical ailments that I
11:19 don’t even want to discuss anymore
11:20 because they’re just they seem so it’s
11:23 so long ago and it’s not it’s weeks but
11:26 the reality is is like when you got to
11:28 play catch-up it’s all of a sudden like
11:30 you’re connecting and you’re making
11:31 these connections to the past and you’re
11:33 sitting there going wow I did know that
11:35 way back but I didn’t take the gift that
11:38 was given me you know I mean if all of
11:40 this stuff that were given from God is
11:42 supposed to be a gift then shouldn’t it
11:44 feel like a gift
11:45 shouldn’t it not feel like a burden
11:46 shouldn’t when we’re discussing things
11:48 and we’re having a you know a healthy
11:50 discussion ok gets it gets a little
11:53 emotional fine you know people want to
11:55 celebrate on Sunday I disagree with it I
11:58 remember a good friend said to me this
12:01 was the funny thing it was a Catholic
12:02 friend of mine that said have you ever
12:04 read and I believe he said it’s the
12:06 encyclopedia of Catholicism or that it’s
12:08 something to that effect and I just
12:10 remember 7 page 796 I think it was
12:13 something about the Catholic Church
12:15 acknowledges that the true Sabbath is
12:17 the Jewish one Friday to sunset the
12:20 sunset but how many people know that
12:23 right because why is it at 796 when the
12:26 fourth commandment says remember the
12:29 only commandment that says remember to
12:32 keep holy the Sabbath day so you know
12:35 it’s it’s not about oh you’re wrong
12:36 because you’re doing this or I’m right
12:38 or I’m wrong or you’re right it’s like
12:40 how does the Bible put it friend let us
12:44 reason together so if I show you
12:48 something and it inspires you or you
12:50 show me something and it inspires me
12:51 spiritually wasn’t that a lot better
12:54 than oh you’re so full of it because
12:56 you’re that denomination or I’m this
12:58 denomination we know better I mean I’ve
13:01 seen some pretty arrogant seventh-day
13:02 adventists I’ll be honest with you and
13:03 they make me sick you know so it’s it’s
13:06 not that’s my group you know but is it
13:09 my responsibility in church when I see
13:12 an injustice happening to stand up and
13:14 say this requires correction of course
13:16 so I mean are you going to be popular I
13:17 don’t want to be popular with people I
13:19 want to be popular God you know and and
13:21 to me in the
13:22 that’s what it’s really about so you
13:25 know the god-person connection seems to
13:27 have gotten so distorted that we don’t
13:29 we have to have a group identity and we
13:32 don’t even start with an individual
13:33 identity with God right
13:34 I mean it’s supposed to be a personal
13:36 relationship you have a god this is like
13:38 I’ve every denomination every belief
13:41 system I mean people that weren’t
13:43 religious eight I mean there are people
13:44 that had doctrine that was that it was
13:47 that it was it wasn’t about deception it
13:50 wasn’t about oh well you wear this and
13:52 you shouldn’t wear jewelry and you wear
13:53 makeup and you shouldn’t I mean really
13:55 that’s what we’re getting into that’s
13:57 what distinguishes up from being one
13:58 better Christian than another no I think
14:01 the spirit inside you I think how
14:03 converted in your heart and how
14:05 convicted you are I think that’s a word
14:07 we don’t use you know jail conviction
14:08 but you know to be in prison with God I
14:11 mean Paul put it that way right it was
14:12 like I’m a prisoner of Christ I’m a
14:14 prisoner of the Lord I mean that’s bold
14:17 you know re bold in our beliefs I don’t
14:21 care what you believe I don’t I mean at
14:23 least be sincere you know and if you
14:25 really believe that then you might have
14:27 something to teach me but for me when I
14:29 challenge certain questions that
14:31 couldn’t be responded to in a way that I
14:33 could understand it that’s when I
14:35 started seeking so you know the gap
14:37 between say 2010 where I sort of maybe
14:42 committed a little more to the sort of
14:43 seventh-day adventists way it was only
14:46 after 19 what 98 so you know there’s 12
14:50 years of searching I mean I went to
14:52 church as I went you know temples it was
14:53 like I just I said there’s something
14:56 feels like there’s more to this than
14:58 what I’ve experienced did you always
15:01 believe in God and and the triune God
15:03 well like I said I think six years old
15:05 that sealed it for this this entity
15:07 called God now is it the triune God and
15:09 again you know we got in the words
15:11 Trinity triune I mean I don’t have a
15:14 problem with it I know some people that
15:15 do in a lot of different flavors you
15:17 know do I need to make a symbol okay
15:19 maybe that I don’t agree with or are not
15:21 I don’t see again words right it’s not I
15:23 don’t agree with it’s that’s not for me
15:25 this I’m talking about something making
15:27 a sign saying the Father Son the Holy
15:28 Spirit or the Orthodox where they go the
15:30 other way twice or it’s it’s like I get
15:32 it and and for some people it’s very
15:34 important and I respect that
15:36 so that’s not an issue for me but again
15:37 saying what’s right for me in my change
15:40 from one to another and again I am
15:42 hesitant to say that I’m you know I’m
15:44 this now because it seems like I want to
15:47 draw a line in the sand and I don’t I
15:49 want to be a Christian and Christians
15:51 like I’ve said the Catholics that have
15:53 come up to me all you’re a Protestant
15:54 and I said no I’m a Christian if you’re
15:57 a Christian Jew why don’t we start there
15:58 and most people that are reasonable
16:00 start there and say oh yeah well you
16:02 know we have a lot in common and I say
16:03 yeah just and the reason I just change
16:05 this is this and if they want to have a
16:06 discussion no problem
16:08 but if we want to sit down and go well
16:10 the reason you changed I don’t agree
16:11 with it okay what’s not your change it
16:13 was mine it’s a personal growth it’s my
16:15 personal experience and again I have to
16:17 keep bringing it back it’s my personal
16:19 relationship with God people like you
16:21 mean with your God okay you know words
16:24 if that makes you happy it’s my personal
16:26 relationship with my god but if we don’t
16:28 all individually have that I don’t see
16:30 how we can have a collective regardless
16:32 of what flavor it is because if you
16:35 don’t have you know what is it be with
16:37 people of like mind so does that mean
16:41 doctrine has to get in the way no is it
16:44 supposed to get in the way I don’t
16:45 believe so
16:46 I think everybody should be converting
16:47 it means you have an active spiritual
16:49 life you’re trying to grow and to me
16:52 that’s why it’s like everybody has to be
16:54 allowed the time that they need for
16:55 their spiritual growth assuming it’s
16:57 God’s plan that they’re gonna have that
16:58 allotment of time but you know for me
17:00 the conversion was it wasn’t so much of
17:02 a conversion as oh this is a little bit
17:07 more aligned with where I’m going and at
17:09 this point and it’s not oh that’s what
17:11 suits you oh yes religions of
17:13 convenience no that’s where I’m going
17:16 it’s that simple we don’t have to
17:18 complicate this you know a conversion
17:19 yes I converted you know but what what I
17:23 became a different type of Christian
17:24 from one Christian is that the
17:26 conversion know you were an i yeah I
17:28 know doctrine sorry I forgot let me sign
17:30 my paper here there you go but you know
17:32 it’s like know if my conversion was very
17:36 soft it was so quiet it was loud oh wow
17:40 that’s it that’s what I’ve been told
17:42 that okay and where do they get that
17:45 from Oh some little Hindu guy that was
17:47 passing by that I I said hi dude and
17:49 treated
17:49 what you spent and and he gave me a gift
17:51 I’m supposed to reject that because it
17:53 didn’t come from my source no come on
17:56 people it’s you know the Bride of Christ
17:59 the church is made up of different
18:01 aspects
18:01 if you prophesy then prophesy if you you
18:04 know people in other words if you do
18:06 what you do and it’s part of the church
18:08 and it works keep on doing it because
18:12 that’s for the benefit of everybody if
18:14 you know if things are for the you know
18:18 the magnifying the amplification of
18:20 somebody’s spiritual reality upbuilding
18:24 perfect you know it’s like we’re so
18:26 ready to destroy things right and yes
18:28 sometimes you have to remove an old
18:29 building because it’s just decrepit and
18:30 everything so you have to get rid of
18:32 those old ways but more often than not
18:34 you just gotta give it a little tender
18:36 love and modify and just overall I’m
18:38 going this way and and then next thing
18:40 you know you’ve got Friends of Catholic
18:43 Protestant Jewish and and they’re all
18:45 behind you Muslims and and we’re all
18:47 having and we’re going in the same
18:48 direction so for me it’s like conversion
18:51 yeah but it just it sounds like a word
18:53 that’s supposed to be really hard and
18:55 it’s like oh I had to struggle yeah of
18:57 course I struggled I’m happier I’m in a
18:59 place with God that I’ve never been you
19:01 know IIIi experienced God in my DNA now
19:05 I don’t just it’s not just that it’s not
19:06 just a word it’s not just a thought it’s
19:09 not just oh yeah that’s that yeah that
19:11 makes sense that’s good maybe I should
19:13 adopt that whoa the Lord Steyn tell me
19:15 something this is important like if I
19:17 was expected to grow I gotta listen and
19:19 if I’m not listening to everything
19:21 that’s around me is there a chance
19:23 they’re gonna miss something I say yeah
19:25 I say there’s a good chance you’re gonna
19:26 miss quite important things you know and
19:28 I think that’s what you know conversion
19:31 again that word it’s very simple but the
19:34 connotations that go with that oh my
19:37 gosh you know well you’re not one of us
19:39 anymore well you’re one of them
19:40 why do we have to do that label thing
19:42 you know it’s just it’s so it detracts
19:43 from being Christian so in terms of
19:46 conversion yeah
19:47 do I still hold some of the Catholic
19:49 principles high in my yeah because
19:51 they’re Christian principles that’s why
19:53 I’m on fire that’s why I feel this
19:56 that’s the Holy Spirit running through
19:57 me and going hey it’s time for you to do
20:01 something and I’m like
20:02 do you want Lord and that’s recent you
20:06 know I mean before my leaving I was in a
20:08 pretty bad place physically and
20:10 emotionally in a lot of places but
20:12 spiritually that was the only thing that
20:13 got me kept me alive for you know I mean
20:15 when they gave me three to five years to
20:16 live and I made it to seven before the
20:19 oxycodone actually made my lungs
20:20 collapse and literally I was rushed into
20:22 the hospital and they pretty much
20:24 pronounced it then that that was the
20:25 last time yeah well that’s a that’s
20:27 another year ago my wife was kind enough
20:29 to remind me of my anniversaries of my
20:31 horrible experiences that and then
20:34 coming off of it because I had to quit
20:35 cold turkey and and you know the only
20:37 thing I could say is if somebody wants
20:39 to know when I got set on fire that was
20:42 that day because I was going through and
20:44 to quote a friend former let’s say
20:48 opiate user yeah it’s like somebody
20:50 wants to come through the back of your
20:52 head and rip the base your ganglia thing
20:54 nerve thing and just rip it I go yeah
20:56 that’s what I that’s yeah madness I said
20:59 oh this is what possession feels like
21:01 okay but it was like I was going insane
21:03 I was in the other room so I didn’t
21:05 disturb my wife and I just I knew I was
21:08 gonna be flailing about but it was
21:10 horrible I my mother had asked me and my
21:14 mother is one of the most gentle people
21:15 I’ve ever known and has been a rock in
21:17 my spiritual development that’s for sure
21:18 so kudos to and my father too I mean he
21:21 gave me spiritual gifts at an early age
21:23 and my mother’s seemed attending to them
21:25 I guess but this again part of the that
21:27 fire and things right it’s like I was
21:31 sitting there going I can’t go through
21:32 this Lord there’s no way I’m going
21:34 insane and my mom’s like what’s it
21:35 really that bad Danny and I like mom you
21:38 know I love you she’s of course you know
21:40 I’ve never heard it I wouldn’t even
21:41 think it should of course what Danny
21:42 what’s what I said mom if you were there
21:44 and looked at me the wrong way I
21:45 probably would have punched you in the
21:46 face and maybe just kept going because
21:48 that’s all the rage was it was it wasn’t
21:50 it was insanity and then I was like lord
21:52 I can’t do this to the point where I was
21:54 in tears
21:54 finally I’d humbled myself and said okay
21:57 now you’re gonna learn what trust in God
21:59 is about and it was like okay I’m
22:01 sending you strength and I’m like I
22:03 glory I don’t need strength I need to
22:05 get out of this crazy and then it was
22:06 like calm I’m sending you courage I was
22:09 like okay he’s got a plan it didn’t make
22:11 sense to me but the next thing I know I
22:13 was up walking and I was like okay
22:16 this is supernatural there’s no way I
22:18 could do this on my own my muscles are
22:20 literally I can still see them shaking
22:22 they’re like locking up and there and
22:24 I’m walking and I walked up and down the
22:26 hall for I don’t know maybe a few
22:27 minutes and I just burst into tears and
22:30 and I just turned as if I had to turn
22:33 physically to look at him and say Lord
22:35 is that you and the answer I got back
22:38 was who else would be here in such a
22:42 great time of need and I man if that
22:44 doesn’t set you on fire
22:46 III think you have nerve damage like and
22:48 I do man and I still felt that fire okay
22:51 but you know that would be I’d say that
22:53 was a key pivotal point in terms of my
22:55 trust in God and therefore that fire
22:57 just like and that would be you know
23:01 2016 how long were the withdrawal
23:03 sometimes hours days and that’s the
23:06 thing that’s hilarious is people said I
23:07 should have gone through this much
23:09 longer
23:09 I had really bad for a day and a half to
23:12 two days it was diminishing but and then
23:15 I had the clean-out and that was
23:17 horrible because you know there were
23:19 stuff coming out of me that was ungodly
23:20 that’s all I can say and that was all
23:22 because of the medication I was starting
23:24 to detox and it was coming out so I’d
23:26 called an organization there a center
23:28 that helps people recover from
23:29 addictions and things like that and what
23:32 I found interesting is there was one
23:34 person that wanted me sort of to make a
23:36 decision or get off the appointment and
23:38 it was like I said okay while I was told
23:41 that you’re gonna just put my name in
23:42 and keep it on file for two months that
23:45 was a weird reception and then I get a
23:47 call back from a woman she goes yeah
23:48 sorry I don’t know what that was about
23:50 but and she had asked me so how was it
23:52 going and how was I going about my detox
23:54 and whatever so I gave her a list of the
23:56 things and then the lady told me she
23:59 said well I’m really impressed and I
24:01 said why because I’m getting them right
24:02 he says no because you came up with two
24:03 things we never even thought of the
24:05 detoxing list was you know you you had
24:08 you’re gonna go through a lot of crazy
24:09 stuff so you need to maintain your
24:10 electrolytes that there was there’s a
24:12 natural herbs and teas and things that
24:15 could help calm certain things there
24:16 there was a lot of expulsion of things
24:18 both through vomit and otherwise and
24:20 that list was was sort of like the go-to
24:24 list that this is what you’re going to
24:25 experience in the next couple of weeks
24:27 so don’t freak out and you know but it
24:29 was like God
24:30 was giving it to me in a way so that I
24:32 was like not only would I not freak out
24:34 it was like I’m gonna be with you so I
24:36 was like oh yeah okay right so I trust
24:38 you I I gotta keep reminding myself oh
24:40 yeah I trust God implicitly right and
24:42 there shouldn’t be a question work so
24:44 it’s I trust God implicitly period you
24:46 know there’s times fires are meant to
24:49 burn people it’s meant to singe off that
24:51 I mean I had to get sunburned to get rid
24:53 of gray green skin and this is look
24:55 underneath it’s all new and pink and
24:57 soft I was like yeah purging fire
25:00 cleansing these these concepts right so
25:03 yeah maybe sometimes we need to get may
25:05 be spiritually burnt or whatever you
25:06 want to call it but if it’s for that
25:08 greater good then man that fire you
25:11 can’t contain it because it’s not meant
25:13 to be contained you know the light on
25:14 the hill is supposed to shine brightly
25:16 right it’s not supposed to be a little
25:17 oh I think there’s a light up there so
25:19 it’s so dark yeah that okay I think
25:20 that’s the mountain no it’s like hey man
25:22 this is the mountain and look at me you
25:25 know this is God lighting me up okay
25:27 it’s really important my relationship
25:29 with God and that’s what needs to be
25:30 first and foremost in my thing so if
25:32 that passion and fire dims I get really
25:35 concerned because that is like something
25:38 I can’t take for granted anymore you
25:39 know it’s like when God goes hey and
25:42 charges you up it’s like what do you
25:44 want me to do Lord you know my prayer
25:45 usually they start the day and it’s like
25:47 Lord if I’m to be in service today which
25:50 I’d love to I’m feeling great so please
25:52 use me but if I am then let me do so
25:54 humbly and happily and let it be an
25:57 experience that both of us again my
25:59 success without your success is not a
26:00 success and to me that’s like Jesus
26:03 saying that to me right like yeah he’s
26:04 great oh yeah he ascended he resurrect
26:06 right on we got exact but what’s the
26:08 point if nobody makes it to heaven right
26:10 like it’s not fire that you if that’s
26:13 fire then you should be crispy he should
26:15 be your skin should be burnt I mean we
26:17 should be like like enthralled right I
26:19 mean again passion I’m sorry I get
26:20 worked up because it’s like you know but
26:22 it’s not important to me and and it’s
26:24 like to me that’s conversion right it so
26:28 what religion or whatever with the
26:30 nomination yeah but the conversion in my
26:32 heart that’s that’s like oh I want a hug
26:36 people and just say here feel this
26:38 whoa and if you want that there’s more
26:39 and if not have a great day god bless
26:41 you and I’ll pray for you quietly you
26:42 know
26:43 but no if I think I think having a
26:46 passion it’s like you know is this a but
26:49 if everybody doesn’t have that passion
26:50 does that mean they’re not real
26:51 Christians oh people please
26:53 you know this is a journey I’m on okay
26:56 not a destination well I’m hoping my
26:58 destination is heaven or whatever that
26:59 it’s eternal being with God being with
27:02 God wonderful okay but coming off that
27:07 stuff really kind of set that fire
27:09 really ablaze so I want to get your
27:11 opinion on religious unity Jesus
27:13 famously said he prayed to God the
27:16 Father that they may be one as you and I
27:18 are one well I think the final body of
27:21 Christ the final church will be made up
27:23 of many different denominations that of
27:26 which I am I I guess as much as I can
27:28 say with faith and belief that anything
27:30 is 100% sure that I believe 100% st.
27:33 Augustine famously said by the way that
27:35 a lot of people that you think are in
27:37 the church or outside of the church and
27:38 a lot of people that you think are
27:39 outside of the church are actually in
27:40 the church so one of the dogmas of the
27:42 church which is very controversial and
27:44 sort of shocking is that there’s no
27:45 salvation outside of the Catholic Church
27:47 but the church also admits that we don’t
27:49 know who’s in the church now I always
27:51 give my guests an opportunity if they
27:54 want to to question my faith because I’m
27:57 a convert to Catholicism right one of
28:00 the things I always had an issue with
28:02 and it’s no disrespect to Mary she was
28:04 obviously a blessed person and and
28:06 chosen for her spiritual beauty is the
28:09 way I put it but I think for me it’s an
28:13 issue that if I want to pray to God
28:16 through Christ and I talk to Christ so
28:18 just like how do you how would you
28:20 without taking it as an attack yeah no I
28:23 know you said thick skin that’s good
28:25 because this is a wonderful conversation
28:26 I want you to understand this is a
28:28 blessing for me I don’t I don’t usually
28:30 get this far with a lot of people when
28:32 it comes to certain discussions and then
28:34 non Catholics like okay so but that take
28:37 like about going directly to Christ to
28:40 God versus say the Saints or the or Mary
28:43 or intermediaries I see you pointing
28:45 your finger to Christ and I love and
28:49 admire you for that and it’s no
28:50 different with the Saints right and with
28:52 Mary they’re just all the doings
28:54 pointing to Christ and all Christ is
28:55 doing is pointing to God
28:56 mother my religion is all about God the
28:58 Father amen I converted to God the
29:01 Father and then I joined Christianity
29:03 you know not because I liked it or
29:04 believed it but because I wanted to
29:06 worship my God and I had to worship Him
29:08 publicly and it was just more convenient
29:09 to worship Him in a Christian context
29:11 right given that we have a Christian
29:13 calendar of Christian culture I have
29:15 obviously been educated and in
29:17 Christianity and I come to believe that
29:18 it’s true if I came to believe that
29:20 Judaism or Islam were true I would have
29:22 joined them I would left Christ and gone
29:23 to join them okay but I was pleasantly
29:26 surprised to find out that Christianity
29:28 is true according to my fallible dollar
29:32 I’ll join you in that pile they can jump
29:34 on both of us I believe that
29:36 Christianity is the one true religion if
29:38 I didn’t I would see something else see
29:40 I don’t believe a lie I hear yes but God
29:43 the Father I believe in God the Father
29:45 unconditionally there’s nothing anyone
29:47 could ever say or do okay to take away
29:49 oh that’s inspiring just to let you know
29:50 for me that’s inspiring everything else
29:52 is faith but God to me is reality yeah
29:56 but I do have a lot of faith in my faith
29:57 is growing and I am in fire for the
29:59 faith like you are there’s a flame yeah
30:01 and that flame can grow it can shrink
30:03 and it could die equity you could die
30:04 yeah so it’s very it’s we have to be
30:06 careful and we have to feed that flame
30:07 right and this don’t feed the monsters
30:10 don’t feed the demons exactly we got so
30:12 much that we could do with good instead
30:14 of giving it away to these things I want
30:15 to take it from us but having said that
30:17 I want to talk a little bit about Jesus
30:19 Christ when he said you have to hate
30:20 yourself you have to hate your mother
30:22 you have to hate your wife you have to
30:23 hate your brother I include in that you
30:26 have to hate his mother the Virgin Mary
30:28 I include her in that we have to hate
30:30 her why because she’s a creature right
30:32 on but what is Christ saying when he
30:36 says to hate yourself and hate your
30:37 mother and hate your brother he’s saying
30:39 that relative to your love of God which
30:41 has to be number one which is the first
30:43 commandment love your God with all your
30:45 heart and then your neighbor as yourself
30:47 I mean Jesus said that all of the law
30:49 and the prophets if hang on that depend
30:51 on that and love of God first and then
30:54 love of neighbor for God’s sake so that
30:57 qualifies what he said about hating
31:00 yourself in hating right neighbor it’s
31:01 not an absolute hatred it’s a relative
31:04 hatred and like st. Augustine’s take on
31:07 it where he said that there are two
31:08 cities there’s a city of God this
31:10 the City of God is characterized by love
31:13 of God unto contempt of self the city of
31:16 man is characterized by love of self
31:18 unto contempt divine right and that’s
31:20 how I see a true religion good that’s
31:22 that’s inspiring Hey no the reason I say
31:24 that for is simple is that see st. Paul
31:26 always says that thing about died itself
31:29 and it was like oh yeah died itself what
31:32 does that really mean
31:33 and I really learned what that is it’s
31:35 like a daily thing right where you get
31:36 up and you go okay this is this hate of
31:38 self or this like again these words you
31:41 know like I left to sit down with the
31:42 Bible and the concordance and say okay
31:44 this is what the Jewish people were
31:45 saying this what the Greeks are saying
31:47 let’s see what they’re really saying and
31:48 there are times where everything is like
31:49 word-for-word but there are times where
31:51 you’re sitting there going okay wait
31:52 I’ve just like started this sentence so
31:54 they’ve found three different things
31:55 that totally change the context and
31:57 meaning of this and then it’s like
31:58 solved for self-improvement I do that
32:01 but I also find it leads me the things
32:03 were like listening to your answer I was
32:05 like okay don’t interrupt them he’s
32:07 saying really good things here this is
32:08 good I like yeah I understand that and
32:10 it’s like oh yeah
32:10 and as oh yeah we’re in line yeah
32:13 because we’re Christians trying to have
32:14 a conversation about Christians and
32:16 we’re not here trying to attack each
32:17 other and it’s like so refreshing that
32:19 you can you can be so clear and concise
32:23 about your belief that like sometimes
32:25 people you know you ask them why do you
32:27 believe and it’s the story and I mean I
32:29 guess it has to be because that’s how
32:30 they get it out but yours was like
32:32 really concise and to me that’s fire and
32:33 that’s passion you know what it is and
32:35 you’re like yeah that’s what drives me
32:36 if God is your central focus and you’re
32:38 really connected with God then God’s
32:40 going to show you what’s right and God’s
32:41 gonna direct you in the right place and
32:42 you’re gonna end up doing things the way
32:44 God wants you to get there because he’s
32:46 going to talk to you differently he’s
32:47 gonna talk to me yes we’re human beings
32:49 in there we’ll have those intersecting
32:51 points but again through my ages of
32:54 studying different Zen or Buddhist or
32:55 whatever there was this fellow an older
32:57 fellow and a younger fellow and he had
33:00 this cup and he the guy wanted the
33:02 younger one and wanted to come in and
33:04 tell him about how great he was and look
33:06 at what I’ve known look at how
33:07 enlightened I am and the old guy was
33:09 trying to say oh it will just we’ll go
33:12 through it
33:12 so he goes hearing the guys going on he
33:14 says would you like tea and he says yes
33:16 I would like that very much so the older
33:18 one starts pouring the tea and the guy
33:21 says okay that’s that’s good that’s
33:23 no stop stop and he keeps pouring keeps
33:25 pouring and it goes all over the place I
33:27 think I goes what are you doing old man
33:28 and he says like this Cup you are full
33:31 of so many ideas and you’re overflowing
33:33 with them there’s no room for anything
33:34 new to get in there and I thought you
33:36 know what that was one of those oh yeah
33:38 that was a Zen thing or whatever and now
33:40 I find the Christian equivalent they go
33:42 bingo so it’s like oh that truth from my
33:44 fine from 16 different beliefs and
33:46 religions there we are right there’s one
33:48 it’s like if we don’t empty our cup
33:49 every day how its Christ’s supposed to
33:51 get in there and it’s like if you put
33:53 your fingers in your ears how are you
33:54 supposed to hear traffic and you’re
33:55 gonna get hit right like you know it’s
33:57 just dangerous to not pull your fingers
33:59 out and say okay Lord what do you want
34:02 for me today and how do I clean myself
34:05 out so that I’m prepared to accept you
34:07 and I that was just as inspiring thank
34:09 you it wasn’t you know what I think
34:11 blessings are supposed to go both ways
34:13 so I hope in the end this will be a
34:15 blessing yeah but that’s why I do this
34:17 amen so be it I agree it’s like you know
34:20 if anybody is as receptive as you are
34:23 and anybody is as we could use words
34:25 logical you know clear minded rational I
34:29 would love to please I’ll leave my email
34:32 address a feel free but you know even
34:35 the haters it’s like I feel bad that
34:37 they don’t have what I have right and
34:38 then then see I think that’s the thing
34:40 about you know as a Christian er is a
34:42 neat spiritual person that’s supposed to
34:43 make a dent in this world it’s like
34:45 people will see your example you know I
34:48 mean if you’re charged up you can’t fake
34:50 that right I mean it’s like you know it
34:52 is all you think that oh yeah I could
34:54 fake an ear here’s a couple of Red Bulls
34:55 ya know that’s like yeah that’s a little
34:57 completely different again but you see
34:59 and that’s I think the problem with a
35:00 lot of this is we we see things and
35:02 we’re so ready to put a label on them we
35:04 forget to actually find out what it
35:05 means before we put a label on and go oh
35:07 I had the wrong label to begin with so
35:09 coming back sort of an a roundabout way
35:11 about Catholic versus Protestant I think
35:13 as long as those are labels that we all
35:16 associate and understand our labels and
35:18 that we’re on the same quest and we’re
35:20 trying to get closer to God I think man
35:23 we could have a lot of great
35:24 conversations and I would say I pray for
35:26 this podcast not mine that this session
35:29 I’m talking about in general that this
35:30 reaches so many people because it I I’m
35:33 participating as an active member and
35:35 I’m finding this mind-blowing
35:37 and and and finding this beyond engaging
35:40 this is this is what we should be doing
35:42 right the what a way to spend Sabbath
35:43 hey you’re starting Sabbath then yeah
35:46 I’m starting Sabbath guess what we’re
35:48 not talking about money we’re not
35:49 getting distracted with all these crazy
35:50 things TVs nowhere near to be seen that
35:53 I can tell you know and we have time of
35:56 God and it’s like wow like what a gift
35:59 and you know it’s I think that’s the
36:01 problem it’s not are you an optimist or
36:03 a pessimist I say to people I’m a
36:05 realist
36:05 they go what does that mean so what you
36:07 say the bottles half-empty and these
36:08 this is a full I say if you want 10
36:10 cents you have to bring it back to me
36:11 and some people get it and some people
36:13 don’t
36:14 right but my thing is I try to be
36:15 optimistic ly realistic I think is the
36:17 best way to put it and that is you know
36:19 what if we’re walking hand in hand or
36:21 shoulder to shoulder it’s a lot better
36:24 than fist to fist and you know it’s like
36:27 if we can’t get together as Christians
36:29 how are we supposed to be example for
36:31 our own nevermind everybody else how are
36:33 you know if we’re gonna argue against
36:35 each other and it’s like oh well yeah
36:37 but you believe this and and and really
36:39 is mind so much different is it really
36:42 that skewed that it’s like oh no wait
36:44 yeah I could see the connection see I
36:46 think when we’re trying to make more
36:47 connections instead of disconnecting and
36:50 we connect with other creatures of God
36:52 we got to know God better because you
36:55 know God differently than I do and a lot
36:57 of it may be similar and a lot of it we
36:59 approach the same way but it has to be
37:01 different that’s why it’s a personal
37:03 relationship and I’m sorry it sounds
37:04 like I’m harping on that but to me I
37:06 think that’s what will bring you closer
37:09 to the truth
37:09 is that when you’re like you say you’re
37:11 on fire I see it right I mean it’s a
37:13 quiet contain thing and when it comes
37:15 out it’s wonderful and I should learn
37:16 that calm I guess I’m working on that
37:19 working process but you know I think
37:22 that if we can have this kind of
37:24 engagement and more so with the youth of
37:27 today especially that they don’t feel
37:30 threatened that they feel invited that
37:33 they don’t feel look down upon and
37:35 chastised that they feel lifted up cuz I
37:38 know one thing God wants you to get it
37:40 done he’s gonna make the resources
37:42 available he’s gonna make the
37:43 opportunity available and all you got to
37:45 do is show up and do the work
37:46 thy will be done Lord and let my work
37:49 follow I always at the end of my
37:51 interview I asked my guests to give a
37:53 little closing thought just to speak
37:55 directly to the audience so what would
37:58 you say to anyone’s listening
37:59 look there is always hope you can get
38:02 into a very dark place very quickly but
38:04 to have a glimmer of hope means they
38:07 have something inside it’s that spark
38:09 maybe it’s not a flame but it’s a spark
38:10 if this podcast can’t be a blessing to
38:13 somebody then I pray that at least it’s
38:15 an inspiration because sometimes a spark
38:19 with just a little fan will turn into
38:22 something so fast because the the
38:24 kindling is already there they just
38:26 they’ve got to a place where they don’t
38:28 see the possibility of fire anymore but
38:30 it just takes and your that thing flames
38:32 and these people will see things and
38:34 they will understand things look if you
38:36 see a light it’s because there’s a light
38:38 there and if there’s a light there focus
38:40 on the light don’t get involved in the
38:43 darkness the brighter the light gets the
38:44 closer you get to God to source to the
38:46 Creator to whatever we call it that can
38:48 take you places that you never thought
38:50 you could go and I think that’s the
38:52 purpose of a podcast like this it’s not
38:54 to tell you what’s right and wrong it’s
38:56 not to tell you that you should do this
38:58 or should do that it’s to say hey folks
39:00 this is where I found it where did you
39:04 find it
39:05 oh you haven’t found it would you like
39:07 to find it and as we know the truth
39:10 shall make you free and shall set you
39:12 free and every other version of it
39:14 there’s a reason why truth is a gift and
39:16 this podcast I believe is filled with a
39:19 trove of gifts for those that might be
39:21 in a dark place those that are willing
39:23 to just say this is enough people you
39:27 want to see my medical records I’ll tell
39:29 you what’s enough when you can’t get out
39:31 of bed with the medication you’re done
39:34 man and you know I remember sitting in a
39:36 car I can end on this I remember sitting
39:38 in my car going I’ve had it I’m done I’m
39:41 not getting out I’m not doing anything
39:43 anymore
39:43 I’ve had it like really Lord this this
39:47 is where I am and I remember the only
39:49 thing I could think of again god bless
39:50 her I called my mom and she talked me
39:53 off the ledge so to speak and it was
39:55 like you know it’s okay you can feel
39:58 what you’re feeling we all feel darkness
40:00 we all feel alone we feel disconnected
40:03 but it’s temporary folks or can be
40:06 because it is a choice in the end god
40:10 bless you for this all you got to do is
40:22 all you got to do
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