Catholic vs. Catholic – 2017-07-26 – Jacques


I met Jacques at the Catholic Monastery where I was receiving instruction on the Catholic Faith for the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA). He was on his way to becoming a religious, but things didn’t pan out. He is now questioning his Catholic faith.

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0:00 hello I’m Jack and you’re listening to
0:02 Catholic versus Catholic just tell the
0:09 guests a little bit about yourself first
0:10 of all so they know who you are and
0:12 where you’re coming from I grew up
0:15 Catholic and I spent some time after I
0:20 finished high school with a theatre
0:22 company and worked in churches of
0:25 different denominations in North America
0:27 and Europe then during my university
0:30 years I sort of went away from the
0:32 church and then came back to it and then
0:36 as my university years went on I found
0:41 that the church was not answering all of
0:43 my spiritual needs so I became more
0:46 interested in Islam and Judaism and at
0:51 this time I find that I have doubts
0:54 about the Catholic Church about the
0:58 divinity of Christ and I find that the
1:01 Jewish spirituality is becoming stronger
1:04 and stronger for me and well I converted
1:08 to Islam but I still continue to
1:10 practice more as a Catholic and to seek
1:12 Jewish wisdom more than Islam I suppose
1:16 what was entailed in converting to Islam
1:20 not much you say few words knowledge in
1:25 Muhammad’s and acknowledging that you
1:29 submit to God and this was through
1:32 Sufism I came into contact with Oh
1:34 Sufism group and I also then spent a
1:37 couple months at a Sufi durga last
1:41 summer the one idea in scripture I
1:45 wanted to bring up was the idea of the
1:46 narrow path from Matthew it’s a new
1:48 testament scripture small is the gate
1:51 and narrow the road that leads to life
1:53 and only a few find it and the other one
1:56 is circumcise your hearts therefore and
1:59 do not be stiff-necked any longer this
2:01 is from Deuteronomy and it’s quoted many
2:04 places Jeremiah and many places where in
2:07 the New Testament and what does that
2:09 tell you about the cat
2:11 like church versus other forms of
2:13 monotheism well the Catholic Church I’ve
2:16 found it to be limiting me and so I
2:18 wanted to now grow past it to narrow yes
2:21 I mean I don’t know why I chose
2:22 description but it can you want a narrow
2:24 path but not quite that narrow yeah or a
2:29 path that seems to be leading me to life
2:32 unless you’re willing to lose your life
2:34 you won’t have your life that’s my
2:36 Catholic beliefs yes yes I know you’re
2:38 you’re you’re still exploring and
2:41 putting puzzle pieces together and
2:42 you’re using the scripture to do so
2:44 where do you think the Bible came from
2:46 because I my claim is that the Catholic
2:48 Church gave us the Bible it’s the one
2:51 that defined the Canon it said that this
2:54 book is the inspired Word of God that
2:57 book is not the inspired Word of God so
2:59 there’s a filtering process that took
3:01 place in the 4th century in the church
3:03 to give us what we have today as the
3:05 Bible do you think that any of the books
3:08 in my Catholic Bible any of the 73 books
3:11 are completely free from error
3:14 concerning faith and morals I don’t know
3:17 I mean there are always things in the
3:18 Bible that do seem quite strange it is
3:23 strange anymore like you know there’s
3:25 huge slaughters in the Bible like is
3:28 there anything that makes the Bible
3:30 special or is it just that it’s a flavor
3:32 that appeals to your palate as a Western
3:35 man or how would you explain the fact
3:37 that you’re drawn to the Bible more so
3:40 than other religious books or are you oh
3:42 I would say that I am yeah I mean I you
3:45 could definitely say my favorite book of
3:47 the Bible is the Psalms and the reason I
3:51 like it is that it’s uplifting it’s not
3:53 particularly dogmatic yeah it takes for
3:58 granted faith you’re not disturbed by
4:01 the violence I guess some Psalms are
4:03 violent but mostly they’re mostly
4:06 they’re not the violence you mostly find
4:08 is in the Torah the first five books and
4:12 in the history book I see Christianity
4:16 as part of a continuum like I see it as
4:18 a bridge between monotheistic religions
4:22 and maybe polytheistic we
4:25 chintz okay and i see it like as a
4:27 bridge that is at this time where there
4:31 are different faiths at the same time
4:33 but also a bridge over time and more so
4:35 over time in the God’s plan of salvation
4:40 okay I I think I understand what you’re
4:45 talking about because I interview people
4:47 of different faiths and I see so much
4:49 overlap I know my church teaches that
4:52 there’s no celebration outside of the
4:54 Catholic Church
4:55 that’s a dogma of the church so I have
4:56 to believe that but I also know that the
4:59 church nuance is that dogmatic teaching
5:01 by saying that we don’t actually know
5:03 who is in the church and who is not in
5:05 the church is it in scriptures something
5:08 Christ said the church is Christ no one
5:12 goes to the Father but through me so
5:16 what do you think about infallibility
5:17 because the reason I’m Catholic and not
5:19 Protestant or Muslim or Jewish is
5:21 because primarily because of three
5:23 attribute I think that the Catholic
5:25 Church wants everybody to believe the
5:28 same thing so the Pope has to be able to
5:30 give a judgement and then that’s
5:32 infallible everybody’s gonna have to
5:33 agree so Christianity isn’t fostering
5:36 people are faithful that are trained to
5:40 think on their own like you know in a
5:43 synagogue it’s often called a shul I
5:45 mean at first of all you find that
5:47 there’s a differentiation between men
5:48 and women you know it’s it’s a space for
5:51 men to study together and often there’s
5:52 tables and chairs and books and you can
5:56 go there anytime and you don’t study
5:58 there show me in school yeah okay it’s
6:01 not a yeshiva but the the shul the
6:05 synagogue is a place where you go during
6:08 the day and you study scripture or you
6:11 study Talmud just a really quick note I
6:14 interviewed a Raelian who believes that
6:17 were created by alien life-forms but she
6:19 was born in Israel and she said that the
6:20 men are down below with the Torah and
6:23 the women are up above throwing candies
6:26 does that ring a bell to you well yes if
6:29 it’s a it depends on the architecture of
6:30 the shul but often you do have the men
6:34 down below performing the ceremony and
6:36 the men have the obligation to pray
6:38 there’s three prayers a day morning noon
6:40 and sunset and the men put on tefillin
6:45 leather straps that put on their
6:49 forehead and on their bicep and they can
6:53 take little scrolls of anymore on the
6:55 schools yeah
6:56 specifically Exodus I don’t know what
6:58 school
6:59 it is Robert I mean it is important for
7:02 an Orthodox Jewish men have to fill in
7:05 and this is something that the men do
7:07 but not an obligation for women okay
7:09 what about the candies in obligatory
7:11 okay so the candy is these obligations
7:14 are for the men to do but then above
7:16 sometimes they do throw cannons down but
7:19 I’m as an expression on this back and
7:22 draw between the men and the women when
7:24 the women are above it is it’s kind of
7:26 like you have angels above watching
7:28 still participating because they’re
7:30 present and yet the women don’t have to
7:32 be there they could be at home you know
7:34 with the nursing a baby or the you know
7:37 maybe just don’t want to go but that’s
7:41 not an obligation for the women to go
7:42 it’s an obligation for the men to go
7:44 interesting yeah so with my contact with
7:47 Judaism and Islam I began to then
7:50 question the divinity of Christ now I
7:54 should say I do still attend Mass not
7:59 necessarily every day not necessarily
8:02 every week but sometimes more than once
8:03 a week it depends but when I go to Mass
8:07 and find them less and less drawn to go
8:08 to communion and I guess it is because
8:11 really it’s a question of faith is that
8:13 I mean I certainly respect the teachings
8:16 of Christ but I wonder what is it that
8:19 makes him into the Son of God into the
8:22 second person of the Trinity I mean it’s
8:26 in yoga and he and the Hinduism and more
8:29 Eastern religions to the sense of a yin
8:31 and the yang and I suppose this is
8:34 monism this sense that the world is one
8:37 rather than a dualism that I think you
8:40 get really present in Catholicism it is
8:43 the sense that there’s good and there’s
8:45 bad that
8:46 when you take on Christian faith you
8:49 renounce the devil but when you renounce
8:51 the devil you’re gonna worship the devil
8:53 you know you you have to allow the good
8:56 and the bad in everything first of all I
8:59 just want to say because sin is an
9:01 infinite offense against Almighty God we
9:04 need to atone for that with an infinite
9:07 payment to repay that debt so we need a
9:11 God man God beyond the infinite debt
9:14 come from it from sin for eternal sin
9:17 okay because we’re in a fallen state
9:19 we’re not in a state of perfect grace
9:22 we still have grace and we’re seeing is
9:24 Grace of balance but we have fallen from
9:27 grace we’re not in Paradise anymore I
9:29 think it’s evident and our exile from
9:31 Paradise took place because we disobeyed
9:34 God you know that’s the Catholic
9:37 perspective so I just wanted to mention
9:39 that the Incarnation is very important
9:42 and it’s one of the main reasons why I’m
9:45 Christian and not Muslim or Jewish
9:47 because they don’t have a way of
9:49 repaying the debt of sin a lamb won’t do
9:52 it six hundred and thirty laws ritual
9:55 laws won’t do it those only bring
9:57 condemnation
9:58 yes Christianity simplifies you know
10:00 sinful behaviors how do you bring them
10:02 into line and that’s what those you know
10:05 thick and halakhah is for in
10:07 christianity sometimes does lack there
10:08 but it does simplify we have access to
10:11 all of that we can make use of all that
10:13 if we need to but I wanted to address
10:16 what you said about monism versus
10:17 dualism yeah and I think it’s very
10:19 important that you know and that
10:20 everyone listening knows that the
10:23 Catholic teaching is that only the good
10:25 is real and that evil is a lack of good
10:28 it’s a privation of good it’s a falling
10:30 away from good so Satan is ontologically
10:34 good because we made by God that means
10:36 like Satan is good by nature but he’s
10:39 evil by choice so God is the source of
10:41 life he is life itself he is goodness
10:44 itself he’s a source of everything
10:45 that’s good and we can participate in
10:48 that and we can orient ourselves towards
10:50 that or not and if we choose not to then
10:54 we’re falling away from everything
10:56 that’s good including health life beauty
10:58 justice I would still give you
11:00 the status of being a thing that you can
11:03 grammatically avoid the Gnostics did
11:06 that famously and st. Augustine one of
11:09 my favorite Saints he was a manichaean
11:11 before he became Catholic and he
11:14 eventually addressed all of those
11:16 philosophical issues because there are
11:18 their consequences if evil has a sub a
11:20 year point and when you want to say
11:22 everything is monastic then why make the
11:24 duality between good and evil if they’re
11:27 both present all the time for every
11:29 action there’s an equal and opposite
11:31 reaction that’s where I’m going with
11:33 this the next thing I would go to with
11:36 that is you know wondering why am I not
11:39 drawn to the Eucharist and maybe I don’t
11:41 feel that I’m worthy of it maybe I feel
11:44 that because I doubt I’m not prepared
11:46 for it but maybe it’s that I feel that
11:49 God is present in the world everywhere
11:51 and I sense God’s presence anywhere so
11:54 once you say what God is especially
11:56 present in the Eucharist well then
11:58 that’s saying that God isn’t present in
12:00 the other things and I want to believe
12:02 that God is present in everything so
12:03 that would make God less present in the
12:07 rest of them of the world the church
12:09 teaches that Christ instituted the
12:11 church and that he instituted seven
12:13 sacraments and the sacrament of
12:16 sacraments is the Eucharist and he said
12:17 unless you eat my flesh and drink my
12:19 blood there’s no life in you and you
12:21 will not go to heaven basically so you
12:23 have to do it you don’t have to
12:25 understand it you don’t have to like it
12:27 you don’t have to feel good about it and
12:29 st. Paul said if you eat unworthily
12:30 you’re eating under condemnation so
12:32 we’re little babies and we’re told to
12:34 eat our medicine I think we should just
12:36 eat it without questioning it if you
12:38 believe I mean if you if you don’t
12:39 believe that Jesus is who he claimed to
12:42 be and if you don’t believe that he is
12:45 who the Jews thought he was claiming to
12:46 be that’s why they killed him because he
12:48 was equating himself with God making
12:49 himself God when he said I am they knew
12:52 right away that that was referring to
12:53 the name of God well I guess it’s better
12:59 to abstain until I reach some yeah yeah
13:03 agent 2 my questioning if the Catholic
13:07 Church is the one true religion you
13:10 don’t to commit sacrilege and if it’s
13:12 not the one true religion you don’t
13:14 wanna commit idolatry by eating a piece
13:16 of bread and calling it God incarnate
13:18 right yeah you don’t want either of us
13:20 no I mean in anything
13:22 I mean it’s um st. Joseph’s oratory is
13:24 you know a place that I often have been
13:27 frequenting in the last month and you
13:30 I’ve learned that there they have a lot
13:32 of Hindus coming but the difficulty is
13:35 that the Hindus then don’t necessarily
13:38 understand the meaning of communion
13:42 you know you think so they do come up
13:44 and take communion oh boy
13:46 so then I’m like if I take communion and
13:48 the Hindus are taking communion then I’m
13:49 taking communion with the Hindus and I
13:53 like well I don’t want that yeah you’re
13:59 not responsible for their confusion if
14:02 they’re confused and they don’t have the
14:04 blest bread do you know you’re familiar
14:06 with that part of liturgy that in modern
14:09 Catholicism the Blessed brand has been
14:11 left out or like in an Orthodox liturgy
14:13 you know at a certain point in the
14:15 Orthodox liturgy they say the doors the
14:17 doors and then really nothing much
14:20 happens but I think that’s where it it
14:23 gets really holy at that point and you
14:26 know if you’re not a believer in the in
14:28 the in the Eucharist then you know it’s
14:31 better that you don’t attend that part I
14:33 suppose is it doors meeting there’s the
14:35 door if you want to leave yeah okay so
14:36 that then if you had Hindus attending at
14:39 this you know
14:41 Greek Orthodox the Russian Orthodox
14:43 Church then at that point the Hindus
14:45 should leave Oh is what that’s about and
14:48 st. Joseph’s oratory has no architecture
14:51 for that even well they never say they
14:53 do staff that they do usually announce
14:56 that communion although everyone’s
14:59 welcome communion is reserved for those
15:01 who believe that it is the body blood
15:03 soul and divinity of Jesus Christ I
15:05 think it’s important to make that
15:07 warning and make it clear mm-hmm
15:08 but as in terms of the blessing of what
15:11 you called the blessing of the predicate
15:13 you called it it’s important to realize
15:15 that there’s a consecration taking place
15:16 in the transubstantiation is taking
15:18 place from a Catholic perspective yeah
15:21 so the Blessed bread is a different
15:23 thing and that is available for everyone
15:25 like really you don’t have to be a
15:28 believing Christian and you don’t have
15:30 to feel that you’re in the state of
15:31 grace tourist ok Eucharist oh okay I
15:34 didn’t know in fact when people go up to
15:35 receive Communion
15:37 in an Orthodox Church they usually will
15:39 pick up the blest bread also and they’ll
15:41 give it to the people who didn’t go up
15:43 oh okay and so that’s what that’s for
15:45 oh and that fills that need of when
15:49 someone is maybe a visitor and that
15:53 giving them that bless thread will make
15:55 them feel welcome that’s nice
15:56 we have a thing where you can cross your
15:58 arms over your chest and get a blessing
15:59 from the priest did you know about that
16:01 yeah and that’s like mostly children
16:03 would come up for that sort of thing if
16:05 they’re and haven’t reached their first
16:07 communion and an Orthodox Church their
16:10 first communion is when you’re baptized
16:13 as a baby yeah you don’t have you don’t
16:15 the whole deal go ahead yeah okay well
16:17 you could go up for the blessing at
16:19 communion at st. Joseph’s or wherever
16:21 you go you could cross your arms and
16:22 there’s no shame in that I guess I could
16:24 yeah if I wanted to do that I could but
16:26 that’s where the other thing is partly I
16:29 think maybe the whole thing of going up
16:31 for communion it’s like a manipulation
16:33 then you’re into the game you know
16:35 needing the priest to consecrate the
16:39 bread and then I’m not the minister of
16:41 my own blessing at that point yeah well
16:43 the the Christian religion clearly
16:46 teaches or at least in Catholicism which
16:49 is the fullness of the Christian faith
16:50 that we receive God’s grace through
16:54 channels which we call sacraments which
16:56 were instituted also having were
16:57 instituted by Christ
16:59 so baptism you didn’t baptize yourself
17:01 you didn’t confirm yourself you don’t do
17:03 your own confession you do marry
17:04 yourself that’s the one that you do
17:06 yourself but you’re not ordained it’s a
17:09 passing on of things through a tradition
17:11 yeah it’s a power it’s the power of the
17:14 keys and the power to forgive sins these
17:16 are real things and they’re in Scripture
17:17 now if you don’t have the church for
17:20 your mother you can’t have God for your
17:22 father this is one of the ancient
17:23 sayings in the Catholic Church you can’t
17:25 have your cake and eat it too if you’re
17:28 going to be a monotheistic you need to
17:31 acknowledge the
17:32 chosen people of God what they were
17:35 called to the coming of the Messiah that
17:38 was prophesied and the whole historical
17:41 package that’s why in our Creed we have
17:44 historical figures like Pontius Pilate
17:46 mentioned by name because it is a very
17:48 concrete real story that took place in
17:50 the fullness of time the Messiah was
17:53 promised and he did come and the church
17:56 was formed and the sacraments instituted
17:58 and were commanded to baptize in the
18:00 name of the Father Son the Holy Spirit
18:01 and to preach the good news to all
18:03 nations
18:04 so it’s a very historical religion and I
18:08 don’t think we can reduce it to some
18:10 personal subjective experience where
18:13 it’s just you and God if you want to do
18:15 that I think Buddhism is probably the
18:16 better path yeah what else have you got
18:20 in your notes well the other place where
18:23 God is particularly present
18:25 besides the Eucharist is of course the
18:27 Word of God and you know to a Muslim the
18:30 Quran is even beyond the level of the
18:34 inspiration that we would consider the
18:36 scripture to be holy they claim that the
18:38 Quran is perfectly free from error but
18:40 the holy books from Judaism and
18:43 Christianity are tainted with errors and
18:45 liens all suits as a manipulation so
18:49 they are perfectly happy to abandon the
18:52 Old Testament and the New Testament and
18:53 just stick with the Quran because it’s
18:55 more reliable from that perspective that
18:57 makes a lot of sense why risk having
19:00 error in your holy books right but did
19:04 you become convinced that Mohammed is a
19:08 prophet of the one true God well I think
19:11 we have like Noah Moses Jesus Mohammed
19:17 you know they call muhammad rasool
19:20 rasoolallah is the main title that
19:23 muhammad gets that other prophets or you
19:28 know avatars or representations of god
19:31 don’t get it’s higher than a prophet
19:33 yeah he’s a prophet but he’s also
19:36 restful okay and are you convinced that
19:40 he’s wrestle or no I don’t know what I
19:44 wanted to say about Islam is the daily
19:47 prayers and of washing okay I mean it’s
19:51 not a theological thing it’s a very
19:52 pragmatic thing yes in it it is cleaner
19:56 yeah I mean people do say that about
19:58 Muslims that they’re very clean people
19:59 to hit yeah they’re cleaner than
20:02 Christians the other thing I wanted to
20:04 mention was gender roles and I think
20:08 post Christian society as has left the
20:11 path as far as gender roles are
20:13 concerned I mean we’re like Paul talks
20:18 about women should be submissive and I
20:21 don’t think Paul is you know you know
20:22 instituting anything he’s just trying to
20:25 express something and Jesus is more you
20:29 know trying to elevate the stamina such
20:32 as you can and and be as equal and and
20:35 respectful to women more than they were
20:37 treated in their day and then Paul is
20:40 coming after that and saying that the
20:42 women need to respect their that their
20:45 husbands and and be submissive in much
20:48 of what the words are but he sort of was
20:50 trying to put things back in place and I
20:54 mean I don’t know exactly what the
20:56 Mediterranean world was like with all
20:58 the pagan practices and what you know
21:02 men’s and women’s roles were like and
21:05 his been at what part of Asia Minor or
21:08 Italy they were in and what social
21:10 classes they were in in which cities and
21:12 how you know submissive we’re not women
21:15 were used to being or how different
21:18 Christians were from what the regular
21:19 practice was but I do think that there
21:23 is something in divine masculinity and
21:28 divine femininity that religion does
21:31 touch on and needs to be brought out and
21:35 I think modern Christianity has well
21:39 especially postmodern Christian society
21:41 has left the mark modern Christianity
21:44 has
21:45 dealing with it because it’s mixed in
21:47 with the non-christian society that you
21:52 know Christianity has led us to but what
21:55 is the ideal I don’t understand are you
21:56 saying that the ideal is that men and
21:59 women do have different roles and we
22:01 need to stick to them well I look at
22:04 Orthodox Christianity and I would say
22:07 that there when you find an Orthodox
22:09 woman compared to like a Catholic
22:11 there’s a difference she’s a real woman
22:14 he’s everything that there’s is she
22:18 living up to the ideal of one with so
22:20 yeah I guess it is in my head that way
22:22 it’s it’s but it’s always so hard to
22:24 talk about gender roles and and divine
22:27 masculine your divine femininity but my
22:30 God has no sex and no gender by the way
22:32 yeah yeah hmm I tend to refer to God as
22:36 he we do we do refer to God as he and
22:39 there’s a reason for that as a
22:40 theological reason for that because he
22:41 is pure actuality there is no potential
22:43 in God the masculine is characterized by
22:49 actuality and feminine like receptivity
22:52 and so we refer to God as he even though
22:54 there are passages in the scriptures
22:56 that refer to God as a mother even Jesus
22:59 himself refers to himself as the mother
23:01 heaven mm-hmm
23:02 so I wouldn’t get too hung up on that
23:05 sort of thing but there is definitely
23:07 it’s definitely an issue today
23:08 especially with feminism and the
23:11 different sort of extreme forms of
23:13 feminism that we that are sort of going
23:16 out of control I think in our society
23:19 what role does family play in your sort
23:22 of vision of an ideal monotheistic well
23:24 well let me see like education I would
23:27 say the education of the the woman is so
23:30 that she can pass on her education to
23:33 her children educate her children
23:34 herself okay rather than expecting the
23:38 church or the society or the public
23:41 school or the daycare if you educate
23:44 their children for her the woman should
23:47 be there for that and you know the
23:49 education of the woman is ideally and
23:52 principally for that okay because just
23:55 biologically there’s things that a woman
23:57 can do for her children
23:58 the men can’t and the presence of the
24:00 man is so important and the more present
24:03 than men can be the better it is
24:05 but yet the I don’t think the presence
24:09 of the father completely makes up for
24:11 the person isn’t you know the its it
24:14 just works a lot better when the man is
24:16 the main bred women winner and the woman
24:18 is the main guardian of the family in
24:20 the harbor and the education of of the
24:23 man and the woman should be separate in
24:25 order to foster that Oh
24:28 rather than sort of our society seems to
24:31 have fostered the opposite and yet you
24:33 can’t go that far so it’s sort of off
24:35 the track yeah I think I know what
24:38 you’re saying and if I do then I agree
24:40 that we’ve sort of lost our way with the
24:42 family and with the roles of men and
24:44 women is that we’re sort of yeah yeah I
24:46 didn’t either
24:48 yeah and I haven’t been able to accept
24:49 that in my faith journey and that’s
24:53 caused me a lot of problems with my own
24:54 family because oh they sort of pushed me
24:59 off to the side of the lawyer yeah
25:00 because you voiced your pain yes okay
25:04 and they would rather not hear it yeah
25:07 interesting so is it is it is it fair to
25:10 characterize that look of yours
25:12 conservative I’m conservative yeah
25:15 that’s a conservative outlook yeah my my
25:18 primary concern with so-called gender
25:21 issues has to do with like you said the
25:24 family and education it’s the building
25:28 block of society and if we mess with
25:30 that it will have repercussions negative
25:33 repercussions in the long term and I
25:35 think we’re seeing it with divorce
25:36 contraception single parent families
25:41 things aren’t going too well
25:42 mm-hmm I don’t know what to do about it
25:45 certainly pushing conservative values on
25:48 society won’t be tolerated it’s not
25:51 gonna be taller yeah you have to be very
25:55 delicate and hunky things yeah yeah I
25:59 don’t know how to deal with that so what
26:01 else have you got well I think
26:07 Christianity and Islam both bring
26:10 Gentiles into I was kind I have written
26:13 here into the Jewish world but I guess
26:15 it’s more into the family of Abraham is
26:17 this another one of your observations
26:18 about the sort of gateway religion
26:21 phenomenon where people can come in to
26:23 monotheism through polytheism and sort
26:26 of what yes and then at this continuum
26:28 also I think in a way Christianity is
26:30 maybe a bridge between Hinduism and
26:32 bringing people into this monotheistic
26:35 way and I don’t know if it’s you know
26:37 best you know in one religion for all I
26:39 mean the Catholic worse than anything
26:40 but there’s a building on the way of
26:44 salvation so the scripture I sort of
26:50 think of this is you know about kosher
26:53 foods in x10 where Peter is meditating
26:58 on the roof in Caesarea and then he has
27:01 the opportunity to go to a Roman
27:04 centurions place and he has this vision
27:08 where he is surprised where he feels
27:11 that he’s being led to eat non kosher
27:14 foods and so this is in order to preach
27:20 to non-jews and I guess this is what
27:25 makes Christianity acceptable I mean you
27:27 know the the you couldn’t in a lot of
27:31 Christians societies take the pork out
27:34 of the diet and the people would just be
27:36 we’re not following that religion
27:38 circumcision wasn’t probably too popular
27:40 either among adult converts after a it’s
27:43 a bit much to ask
27:45 yeah than to how do you read that story
27:48 then about Peters vision do you you see
27:52 it as in a cynical way as a manipulation
27:55 to open doors or do you see it as a
27:57 genuine vision that’s being faithfully
27:59 recorded in the book and that it has
28:01 some mystical meaning that’s coming
28:03 straight from God how do you see it
28:05 I think maybe the end goal is to go back
28:13 to observing kosher dietary laws okay it
28:18 sound like the museum on Wednesdays it’s
28:20 free but once you know that’s just to
28:22 get you to join I guess that’s nasty
28:25 yeah so you go on Wednesday for the free
28:29 museum day and then you want to suddenly
28:31 want that membership I guess something
28:34 like this yeah but on the other hand I
28:37 mean I don’t know I I’d love to talk to
28:43 you about if it’s not too controversial
28:45 talk to you about the Messiah and the
28:47 prophecies of the Messiah you thought
28:49 about that
28:49 no seems kind of important for you
28:54 because you’re a mama theist it’s not
28:56 quite sure which religion is true the
28:59 one I seem to be learning the most from
29:01 the that I find corresponds the best
29:04 with me seems to be Judaism and yet I’m
29:09 not there yet for whatever reason yeah
29:13 I’m speaking here as a questioning
29:15 Catholic yeah if you were to
29:18 characterize Judaism Christianity and
29:21 Islam in sort of a caricature which
29:24 means that it’s not completely
29:26 exhaustive or accurate but it paints a
29:29 bold sort of picture to differentiate
29:31 the three what roles do they play for
29:35 you because they’re all monotheistic
29:38 religions but it seems like Islam
29:40 attracts you because of X but Judaism
29:43 offers you why and yet Christianity has
29:47 the Zed factors do you know to me so I’m
29:49 a cherry picker and I want to take from
29:50 each monotheistic religion what I’d like
29:52 well I don’t know if that’s what’s
29:54 happening or if you’re just sort of
29:55 figuring it all out but what what are
29:58 the salient features of each that that
30:00 make you still dabble in each well I
30:03 guess Judaism it’s the wisdom that I
30:06 sort of the worldview it’s there’s
30:09 something there that I just see it
30:11 corresponding more as it’s so much
30:15 seeing so much older than
30:16 Jannetty where Christianity always seems
30:19 so syncretic with Celtic calendar when
30:21 you look at Anglican churches I don’t
30:24 know if you ever noticed stuff and you
30:26 know the Celtic calendar has feasts
30:28 according to a soul or schedule and
30:32 generally Anglican churches will have
30:33 Christian holidays on that schedule the
30:36 day-to-day cultural sort of gritty
30:38 reality just day-to-day how these people
30:41 live are you more sympathetic to Judaism
30:43 or Islam or Christianity because the
30:46 Jews have a very strong cultural element
30:49 even if they’re not religious there’s a
30:50 strong cultural level yeah and it’s this
30:52 much smaller group it is like there’s so
30:58 much similarity I think between how
31:00 Muslims along with Jews don’t eat pork
31:02 but there’s I mean differences between
31:04 halal and kosher dietary laws and
31:08 Christians by definition don’t really
31:09 have dietary laws you know how one
31:12 dietary laws and we must eat the flesh
31:15 and drink the blood of Jesus Christ
31:16 that’s pretty much the one dietary I
31:21 have a couple things I wanted to say in
31:23 closing I believe in one God and I think
31:27 of Christianity as part of a continuum
31:29 of religions in this moment and across
31:32 time and all part of God’s plan of
31:35 salvation and I think I mostly seem to
31:38 be adopting a more and more Jewish
31:40 perspective as time goes on as I keep
31:43 searching but you know for now I
31:46 practice both Christianity and Islam at
31:50 times and I wanted to make a comment on
31:54 the scripture of psalm 119 God’s Word is
31:57 light unto my pet and on to my feet and
31:59 as a lamp unto my feet and a light unto
32:02 my path and it’s one of my favorite
32:06 scriptures and you know I would
32:09 encourage anyone to be nourished by the
32:12 Word of God and to build your house on
32:15 the rock and this is a reference to Luke
32:19 648 and Matthew 725 where it says that
32:24 hearing the Word of God and responding
32:29 to it
32:30 the right way is building your house on
32:33 a rock that would be destroyed if you
32:39 like it will view if you think it’s got
32:42 some questions a piano tell all you got
32:45 to do is ask all you got to do
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