Catholic vs. Atheist – 2017-02-18 – Alex Steer

Alex is from Australia. We met for the first time at a “Skeptics in the Pub” meetup, and then he joined my Catholic vs. meetup group. For this interview we chatted in his kitchen while drinking beer and eating chips.


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0:00 hi I’m Alex and you’re listening to
0:01 Catholic versus atheist tell the
0:06 audience a little bit about yourself who
0:08 you are what you believe in why you
0:09 believe it sure well my name is Alex
0:11 steer I grew up in melbourne australia
0:14 but then it almost my entire life 24
0:18 years and i am an atheist now how I got
0:23 to be in an atheist let something to
0:25 hear of a Christian or something like
0:28 that right and then the first thing has
0:30 its really hard time transitioning to a
0:32 season because they’ve got these
0:33 precious and their parents and whatnot
0:35 but for me my parents didn’t raise me to
0:37 be an atheist but they didn’t raise me
0:39 to be anything we just we never talked
0:40 about God once not even once even though
0:44 there were what three churches and a
0:46 mosque on the street that I think it’s
0:48 ridiculous so when my friends talked
0:50 about it even like 10 again I was like
0:51 what am I talking about like they must
0:53 be right climb the Christmas is real and
0:55 these guys were talking about I know
0:57 there’s someone up in the clouds God in
0:59 heaven up there like okay they must be
1:01 true yeah sure I really hadn’t explored
1:04 that world at all right so then I think
1:07 when I was about 16 and high school I
1:09 was actually rejected by a girl because
1:12 well because she said her parents
1:14 weren’t a letter because she was a
1:16 Christian like apparently she really
1:18 wanted to choose cry afterwards and
1:20 she’s like our current dead cards
1:21 because of the Christian my trying to
1:22 allow me and I was like what that’s
1:24 crazy that’s not looked into a bit more
1:27 and i was like classical to actually
1:28 believe that is crazy as to be crazy
1:31 then I researched it more like I had ice
1:34 and I can atheist chemicals gone through
1:37 sorry go on their stories going so have
1:40 you ever stepped inside of a church or
1:42 synagogue or a mosque or anything like
1:43 that yes yeah a few times the first time
1:47 on to a church was youth group in high
1:49 schools probably about 14 or 15 so my
1:52 very good friends from primary school
1:53 has n I went to high school with no ago
1:56 I always come to youth group which in
1:57 Australia is just a group of young
2:00 people who go to a church and they just
2:02 do different fun activities like go
2:04 rollerblading and ice skating throw
2:05 darts eight party pods you know all
2:08 those typically and sometimes we did
2:12 read from the Bible
2:13 but i just i think i was looking at it
2:15 just like as complete scan offices like
2:17 this is like this is so weird because
2:20 like the Secession trust refined oils i
2:22 could gain something and the pages are
2:24 so it’s in there really like that women
2:26 in the Bible like once we classify my
2:28 attention that most i was in leading i’m
2:29 just a fast got the tapered so said so
2:32 it may call me oblivious but when they
2:34 were talking about Moses and married
2:35 stuff like that I was just like please
2:38 like I that fun i’m here for doc after
2:40 that yeah so how would you describe your
2:45 philosophical journey from 15 year old
2:47 to today and it’s actually only nine
2:49 years tray yes absolutely did you become
2:52 a hardcore atheist at any point yeah so
2:54 there’s no question so yeah I think
2:55 there’s a comedian who said there are
2:57 two types of a CSO and there really are
2:59 the bad atheist and the good ideas oh
3:01 and he said the bad ACS is someone who
3:04 doesn’t want to go to see his church
3:06 friends and I don’t want to go inside a
3:08 church and I don’t intend to do with
3:09 religion at all alright so they’re like
3:11 very close-minded I would say and very
3:13 like like religion or phobic they don’t
3:16 want anything to do with it yes I was
3:18 probably one of those for a while but
3:20 then the good atheist for the ones who
3:22 like more you know like am now going to
3:25 converse with people go inside churches
3:27 and you know talk about you know
3:30 rationally and not get into arguments
3:32 every small time and I became you know
3:35 this more lovey WACS I guess oh my hair
3:39 I guess I could say from watching the
3:41 show called the atheist experience at
3:42 all ever seen it before no yeah it’s a
3:44 wonderful show calls go in asking their
3:47 questions and know how to squeeze their
3:48 answers and that’s pretty much it I’m
3:49 going to fly balls of episode it’s it’s
3:51 fantastic so I watch that and I was like
3:55 yes the right like their rights
3:56 disturbance what role did book learning
4:00 and philosophy in particular play in
4:03 your worldview has it played anymore
4:05 yeah I would say absolutely not because
4:07 the Atheist position is basically it’s
4:09 like the null position we don’t have to
4:11 do anything okay historicity to see us
4:13 who have to give me their arguments and
4:15 back up their items of evidence and
4:17 reason enough for me to believe it how
4:20 do you view science mathematics logic
4:23 reasoning and critical thinking these
4:25 sorts of things how do you
4:26 them well as a math and science teacher
4:29 I think that they are these things that
4:32 we should be worrying about today they
4:33 should be more of a focus on stem
4:35 subjects which is science technology
4:36 engineering your maps in schools because
4:39 that’s what’s going to progress for
4:40 mankind and I can contrast that with
4:43 religions which I don’t think it going
4:45 to improve mankind I want to contrast
4:47 your perspective on science and
4:50 technology and last a little bit of
4:52 thing with your perspective on your
4:55 mother’s love for you how do you see
4:57 those two worlds well I would say that
4:59 they are completely different
5:01 unfortunately my mom passed away a few
5:03 months ago and I chose all I’m sure yeah
5:05 no that’s okay so that was a bit of an
5:07 experience which is it was very seventh
5:10 so you know I thought about that as well
5:13 and how that comes into a tease and
5:14 minutes harder as an atheist to deal
5:16 with death because to me she is just
5:18 gone you know but she had managed to
5:21 help 40 people by donating her organs
5:23 and tissues so that’s great but probably
5:26 to you as somebody dies they would be up
5:27 in the heaven looking down on you is
5:28 that right or purgatory or in hell
5:31 purgatory suppose like on a very
5:33 difficult help i fergit not you once
5:35 you’re in purgatory you’re in you’re
5:36 safe you’re going to you just being
5:38 purified but yet so I like to think that
5:41 most people go to heaven but the church
5:43 does not say what the relative
5:45 populations of having it right at all
5:47 will not comment on that because the
5:49 church doesn’t know and books two dozen
5:51 years old how could it be the selfish
5:53 purposes we and we we’re not a Bible a
5:56 long church we have a living Magisterium
5:58 which is connected to tradition their
6:02 Sacred Scripture and the sacred
6:03 tradition the Protestant Christians only
6:06 have the dusty old book that they rely
6:08 on our fundamentals I’m Catholic
6:10 fundamentalist custom I don’t know what
6:12 that means ok ok I take everything the
6:14 Bible is little fat there’s no error in
6:16 the Bible and there is no contradiction
6:17 in the level in terms of faith and
6:19 morals of course there’s plenty of stuff
6:20 in the Bible like people doing around
6:22 thing people making mistakes and just
6:24 people being people you know but in
6:27 terms of faith and morals there’s no
6:29 error now how I I just think morals
6:32 behind you at 2,000 years ago it was a
6:34 lot different today absolutely entirely
6:36 there are differences there also
6:38 similarities the sort of level of
6:40 historical and cultural knowledge that
6:42 you would need to assess some of these
6:45 stories is beyond our capability so
6:48 there is a certain amount of ignorance
6:50 that we have when faced with the problem
6:53 with interpretation and there are layers
6:56 and layers of meaning so there’s a lot
6:58 of freedom there’s more freedom actually
7:00 in Dublin interpretation than you
7:02 probably think we have a living Church
7:05 which means that they have a lot of
7:07 stuff that was handed on orally that’s
7:09 not written and that gets passed along
7:12 down to the present day sounds like
7:13 Chinese whispers hey yeah that’s why we
7:17 need infallibility because otherwise
7:19 what happens with Chinese whispers my
7:21 pointer yeah without divine protection
7:24 it’s impossible that the truth will be
7:27 maintained for 2,000 years plus right so
7:30 there is divine protection is divine
7:32 protecting because the church tells me
7:34 the church tells me that it’s infallible
7:37 before we get too deep into my Lisa fact
7:39 I’d like to talk about your legal
7:41 failure you comfortable with that yeah I
7:43 don’t have a later phase yes you do the
7:45 place that you take is into what the
7:48 philosopher called naive realism okay
7:50 naive realism is well yeah the world is
7:53 real of course the other is real of
7:55 course my mother is real my father’s we
7:57 owe my dog is real my cats real there’s
7:59 absolutely no scientific basis for that
8:01 it’s not a scientific conclusion it is a
8:04 leap of faith there is absolutely no
8:06 scientific basis for believing in the
8:08 other and in real world the only thing
8:10 you can doubt your senses can you not
8:12 yes have you ever dreamt dreams yeah all
8:16 you can talk about it your strength is
8:17 but that’s what’s being questioned how
8:19 senses are function about Brian how do
8:22 you know that you have a break because
8:23 I’m alive but set with my own brother
8:25 who’s having his first baby boy and very
8:28 excited to be an uncle in a few months
8:29 taking watch as his body develops inside
8:32 his fiancee swim but they’re watching
8:34 with the census that’s my point you have
8:37 heard through your ears that you have a
8:40 brain you’ve seen textbooks with your
8:43 eyes that say you have a brain
8:44 you’ve also seen with your eyes pictures
8:47 of this alleged brain maybe you’ve
8:49 licked the brain if you ask you have the
8:51 opportunity I don’t know maybe you’ve
8:53 pasted bringing I have to have such
8:55 principal you touch bring it in an enemy
8:57 lives absolutely okay yeah so you have
8:59 lots and lots of sensory so-called
9:02 evidence right but you can’t affirm the
9:05 evidence for the expenses on the basis
9:06 of your sentences that that is absurd
9:08 that that’s a very funny comic which is
9:10 a picture of someone’s brain and at the
9:12 top it says the brain is the most
9:14 important part of the body at the bottom
9:16 it was according to the brain hahaha it
9:19 feels like a booty like a brains like
9:21 protect me i’m going to support a more
9:22 intense i can think a regular reason
9:24 absolutely this but it’s a very true
9:26 comic but the thing is we are so
9:29 intelligent we nearly near infinitely
9:31 intelligent but you’re telling me that
9:32 if you cut up in someone’s head and
9:34 there might be a chance they have no
9:36 brain that’s the 1i very wrong have you
9:38 seen the truman show yes okay so there’s
9:41 this idea that it’s all a lie and you
9:43 know what socialism is so what solecism
9:47 is is not a human that has a brain and a
9:51 head and the neck and a torso and for
9:53 limb it’s not a biological human that
9:56 says hey I’m the only one no it’s a
9:59 disembodied existence that has a fantasy
10:03 that life entails biological component
10:08 to the Buddhist only the mind Israel
10:11 among the Buddha the one mind separation
10:14 is an illusion that’s one of the causes
10:15 of suffering we have to escape
10:17 sufferings we have to get beyond this
10:18 illusion of separateness let’s go to
10:20 reality what is reality there’s one mind
10:22 the mind of Buddha and that one mind has
10:25 this fragmented dream and those
10:29 fragments which we call Alex and David
10:32 ready into those fragments are suffering
10:35 and if leadless let’s go back to the one
10:37 mind let’s get back integrated and that
10:39 to me is indistinguishable from solecism
10:42 solecism says there’s one mind it’s my
10:44 mind I am the one I am God you know and
10:48 there is no heaven and hell for the
10:50 solid sisters will heaven and hell for
10:52 the Buddhists ultimately there’s only
10:53 God and therefore there’s only heaven
10:56 there
10:56 is no morality there is no consequence
10:59 no lasting consequences or real
11:00 consequence to any of the choices that
11:01 we make so my point was talking to you
11:04 about Buddhism is to say that look we’re
11:07 all in the same boat you have a
11:09 worldview you have a story oh of course
11:12 the brain is real i went to the more
11:13 going to cut his head off and i saw
11:14 bring but the Buddhist have a story too
11:17 and the Catholics have a story too and
11:19 it’s all based on that initial question
11:21 what is real and what is not which one
11:23 is more evidence which story what is
11:25 evidence that’s the question is for the
11:26 Buddha evidence for the Buddhist that’s
11:28 all part of the show that’s all part of
11:30 the grand illusion that doesn’t have a
11:32 scientific evidence of what are you
11:34 talking about scientific evidence is
11:36 precisely part of the separation
11:37 illusion that is part of suffering that
11:39 they want to escape from the Buddhist
11:41 wants to speak to the science because
11:42 science is part of that seduction into
11:44 okay the real world is real look I don’t
11:46 get the core can you smell the death can
11:49 you touch the brains look this is
11:52 reality right and they’re saying oh my
11:53 god I’m getting seduced into the dark
11:55 side and I almost want to believe that
11:57 it’s real because there’s a theist
11:58 secular Western man is showing me a
12:00 corpse that it’s so overwhelming it
12:02 seems real yes so they need to go back
12:05 and center and meditate and say that was
12:08 all just illusion that soldiers
12:09 separation that’s all just the source of
12:11 suffering okay let’s just make nothing
12:12 mind about something that’s wrong record
12:14 exists it does it’s self-evident for you
12:16 we should be self-evident for everybody
12:18 yeah okay yeah okay so you really neva
12:22 Lucien I believe in certain times of
12:24 evolution yeah yeah the part the grace
12:26 of evolution so the church hasn’t come
12:28 down on a really hard stance on it
12:30 they’re they’re open about it I’m
12:32 skeptical but the church is very adamant
12:35 that there’s no contradiction possible
12:37 in principle there’s no contradiction
12:38 possible between faith and reason
12:39 between science and religion or about
12:41 the Bible there’s no contradiction
12:43 possible it is an apparent contradiction
12:45 it has to be resolved it doesn’t have to
12:47 be resolved but in crucible it is
12:48 revolver will what about the first few
12:50 words God created everything I believe
12:52 that but that is in conflict in science
12:54 how so even the big bang theory yeah
12:58 that’s a Catholic priest licking off
12:59 specter do we assume that there is a
13:03 rational explanation for that or do we
13:05 just say oh it just happened what’s the
13:07 more scientific attitude
13:09 whoa Russia yeah right there must be a
13:12 sufficient cause to explain that it
13:15 doesn’t just happen right you don’t
13:17 believe in the supernatural God you
13:19 believe in a natural absolute you
13:20 believe that what’s taking place in your
13:22 mind is the natural effect of the
13:25 natural causes going back in a chain all
13:27 the way to that first cause and that
13:30 first cause they done cause and that
13:32 first cause is what we call God Wow yeah
13:35 that was a huge leap but what I’m
13:38 thinking is what ninety five to seven
13:40 scientists agree with that something
13:42 like the Big Bang happened yeah right
13:44 and that’s where the letter came from Oh
13:46 or you think there’s a scientific
13:48 explanation for all matter came from you
13:50 really live it the big bang theory yeah
13:53 you think that the big bang theory
13:54 posits an explanation for how something
13:57 came from nothing use the first person I
13:59 met who are really good ol independent
14:01 scientific said yes everything came from
14:02 this one point here but what they’re
14:04 trying to do now is determine how that
14:06 happened and that’s where quantum
14:08 physics has also come in lawrence krauss
14:10 is going to book called something from
14:12 nothing like how we can get something
14:14 from nothing quantum fluctuations which
14:16 is a beautiful thing to study in science
14:18 do you know by the way that quantum
14:20 fields are not nothing I haven’t
14:22 researched if i told you that there’s a
14:25 quantum field and that in that quantum
14:28 field when the conditions are right
14:29 particles can arise do you see the
14:32 quantum field as nothing or do you see
14:34 it as something i don’t know i don’t
14:37 know i know i know that a quantum fields
14:40 is not nothing i know that you know how
14:42 I know it you’re a quantum physicist
14:43 well I’ve studied quantum physics at the
14:45 University true but that’s not the
14:46 reason I know it I know it as it just as
14:48 a rational eighth-grader I know that a
14:51 quantum field is not nothing a corn
14:53 field is not nothing electromagnetic
14:55 field is not nothing right these are not
14:57 nothing they’re not nothing you don’t
15:00 need a PhD to understand that a question
15:02 I hope it’s not another thing I’ve never
15:04 heard of the term quantum field okay
15:05 well well this is where something comes
15:06 from nothing quote unquote semin you ate
15:08 yet well they’re desperate to find an
15:10 explanation for how something came from
15:12 nothing why because they don’t want God
15:15 so they have to have a scientific
15:17 explanation I a problem is that there is
15:18 no scientific explanation because it’s
15:20 not a scientific question the domain of
15:22 science
15:22 doesn’t permit asking that question we
15:25 only deal with the stuff wanted here and
15:27 we start with that thing that expands
15:30 and this is how it expands and this is
15:32 what we observe and it’s not going to
15:33 thank for us but it’s a philosophical
15:34 religious question how it got there from
15:37 nothing and deposit the quantum field as
15:39 nothing is completely dishonest well
15:42 what gives you the right to say it’s not
15:43 scientific it’s the same thing as
15:44 anything you know what it’s only time so
15:46 definitely it’s philosophy or religion
15:47 at all what is saying tell me what
15:49 factors not letting you answer your own
15:51 question what is x what do you think
15:53 it’s the sampling and collection of data
15:55 that when trial and repeated you get the
15:57 same result what is data well I just
16:01 answered sandwich idris information that
16:02 we’ve gathered through doings back would
16:04 you consider nothing data by definition
16:07 the original data in nothing there is no
16:09 data there we don’t it’s outside the
16:11 realm of science because science deals
16:13 with why the inside there are more
16:14 philosophy it is nothing there why do
16:16 you because philosophy transcends
16:18 science philosophy is a higher science
16:20 than the physical sciences any in your
16:23 world view is natural science the
16:25 highest science in a natural fire where
16:28 the most all the ice is the natural
16:30 there’s no social science well thats i’m
16:35 sure that’s a different side when you
16:37 think about mathematics and anything
16:40 about music sure is one subordinate to
16:43 the other yes or no i don’t think we can
16:46 determine we know for a fact that music
16:50 drivers principles from mathematics we
16:52 know that it’s the same thing with
16:54 biology and physics which one is higher
16:56 which one is the higher science biology
16:57 or physics they say that which one of
17:00 you is applied physics and biology is
17:01 applied chemistry you nut yeah so there
17:03 is a hierarchy there’s a hierarchy of
17:05 sciences right so this is my point and
17:07 above the natural sciences is philosophy
17:10 and above philosophy is theology and
17:13 involves theology is God Almighty what
17:16 are the exceptions to cause an effect
17:18 and how are they scientific for you this
17:21 is not something that I excuse have to
17:22 think about I’m asking you to think
17:23 about it right because the reason
17:25 lasting there think about it is because
17:26 it leaves you to believing in God and if
17:28 you don’t want to believe in God then
17:30 don’t think about it but if you’re open
17:31 minded if you’re skeptical then just
17:33 find a reasonable answer to my question
17:36 doesn’t have to be today it could be in
17:37 10 years now but think about it and find
17:39 out is everything one hundred percent
17:41 determined by natural cause and effect
17:43 or not and if you say not then you’re
17:46 introducing the supernatural by
17:48 definition can I do what my body lesson
17:50 to the vs well it’s all obeying the
17:52 principle of natural cotton effect what
17:54 is the vein biological fine yeah there’s
17:57 no exception you’re not violating any of
17:59 the laws of biology chemistry physics or
18:01 any other science show that let’s go on
18:03 to the next one and let’s just say yeah
18:04 you agree so you’re a hard determine if
18:06 you don’t believe in real freedom
18:07 there’s just the illusion of freedom no
18:08 I can seem like these days whenever I
18:11 want to check your hot pink district
18:13 office there is it was it was rise to
18:16 that decision inside it was in a closed
18:17 okay so there is a natural cause so
18:19 that’s my point okay so Adam and AIDS
18:23 what’s that the church obliges us to
18:26 believe that we descend from one human
18:28 couple that’s preposterous if we all had
18:31 to inbreed from two people we would have
18:34 died out the years ago that’s what would
18:35 happen we both got all those bad traits
18:37 because we have a higher chance of
18:38 getting bad traits and we would have
18:40 died off a couple of generations in
18:42 right so that view is ridiculous and
18:45 it’s unscientific and impossible can ask
18:48 you a simple question in general about
18:49 science has science ever corrected
18:52 itself in other words they thought
18:53 something was true and then they
18:54 discovered that there was more nuanced
18:55 than that they were all the time okay so
18:57 in principle you want to admit that
18:58 maybe you’re not on a percent certain
19:01 about your argument that we can’t come
19:02 from on human bear no sighs has come a
19:04 long way in the past 100 years now we
19:06 have the tools which we didn’t have it
19:08 in pop what percentage are certainly do
19:09 you have that we don’t come from one
19:10 human pair it’s a hundred percent
19:12 approaching hundred or really 100 1100 I
19:15 there is simply no that doesn’t seem
19:18 scientific to me doesn’t seem skeptical
19:20 to me it is right because there is no
19:23 way you can have the genetic diversity
19:25 we have today from just two human being
19:27 that’s what you keep saying yes yeah
19:29 there was no possible yeah kind of
19:31 present sir okay okay it’s simply
19:33 impossible and you have to present your
19:36 argument in ways that can be
19:37 scientifically proven which they can’t
19:39 be sorry
19:40 the prison god first example where did
19:42 God come from he is uncaused hmm
19:45 convenient it’s not convenient you have
19:48 to admit that there is a first cause an
19:50 uncaused cause you have to admit that
19:51 because you admitted reluctantly and
19:54 ambiguous lee that everything is natural
19:56 Kozma fecht and that if you go back and
19:58 back and back and back and back and back
20:01 there are two alternatives it can keep
20:03 going intimately or there’s a first
20:05 cause which is itself I’m cause from
20:09 which all the other causing effects slow
20:11 right that chain and closet and effect
20:13 have to hang on a first cause which is
20:15 on cause that is what we call God and
20:18 you have to admit that that is necessary
20:20 because if you deny it in denying it
20:22 you’re positing that there’s an infinite
20:24 chain of cause and effect which is
20:25 untenable because of entropy because
20:27 we’re approaching he dead and a finite
20:31 amount of time will accomplish that heat
20:32 death and therefore if there’s an
20:35 infinite amount of time behind us which
20:36 you would have to pause it to say that
20:39 there’s an infinite chain of cause and
20:40 effect right why I haven’t said that at
20:42 all ok so you acknowledge the first us
20:44 which is the God that I worship and it’s
20:47 anything that it was called well you
20:49 just need you said it’s not an infinite
20:50 changing of cause and effect therefore
20:52 there’s a first cause it’s either
20:53 there’s a first cause or there’s not a
20:55 first college miss there’s not a first
20:56 cause it’s an infinite chain of cause
20:57 and effect so so one day ninety-five
20:59 percent of scientists agree that’s
21:00 something similar to the Big Bang hacked
21:01 I believe in the Big Bang so God is just
21:04 and he created the Big Bang yeah God
21:06 created the universe and the universe
21:07 let me live in many other because
21:09 otherwise I would have to pause it and
21:11 in turn the channel positive effect why
21:13 and that’s untenable because every
21:15 effect has a cause and if we say this
21:19 effect was caused by this and that in
21:21 turn was the effective the thing that
21:22 came before it either that goes on
21:25 infinitely back in time or there’s a
21:28 first part and that first cause is what
21:30 we call God and if you deny there’s
21:33 first cause then you are necessarily
21:35 logically saying that there’s an
21:37 infinite chain of cause and effect and
21:38 that is logically untenable leads
21:40 contradiction therefore we rejected
21:42 therefore we admit there’s a first cause
21:44 and that’s what we call God so I had a
21:46 friend once and she was sexually active
21:51 in high school I think Alana joints were
21:53 very Catholic
21:54 and when her parents thought that she
21:57 was having sex in high school they put
22:00 her in a circle of people at church and
22:02 cast the demon syllabus verbally which i
22:05 think is charlie b’s imagine have any
22:09 urges as a young woman right even told
22:13 you I’m trial after suppress these could
22:14 you above the Catholic faith but these
22:16 natural biological urges that you feel
22:18 to help your species reproduce and
22:20 that’s what our function is the lightest
22:22 to reproduce you want to have sex with
22:24 every guy but then your parents shame
22:26 you and then you’re in a circle of
22:28 people and thanking as a demon inside
22:30 you that is beyond immoral to a young
22:33 girl who is cisco entered puberty and
22:35 wants to have sex because she’s a human
22:37 being and it’s one of the problems of
22:39 faith which is sexual suppression insane
22:43 sexual oppression people get married too
22:45 quickly because they wanted sex at least
22:48 they can and he had religion telling
22:51 them to do the exact opposite I ever
22:53 catch the guy view the world as fallen
22:55 which means that we were made perfect in
22:57 the perfect paradise with Garden of Eden
22:59 so am I am i evil in the mile you’re
23:01 good by nature evil by choice just like
23:03 in a while did this imposter Adams semen
23:06 which is actually what they think no I
23:08 don’t think it passes Cuba actually
23:11 never heard that well how would i get
23:12 into the baby it’s a supernatural thing
23:15 supernatural silicon yeah scientifically
23:17 it’s supernatural and suspect you
23:20 believe in the supernatural too but you
23:22 haven’t admitted it to me okay it’s
23:25 supernatural outside of the natural
23:26 world above I like to think about it
23:29 like when I program a video game you go
23:31 on my website and claim a little game
23:32 and their interactions and you have
23:34 certain amount of freedom that you can
23:35 do we make choices and get results and
23:37 you can get points and stuff like that
23:38 okay but as the programmer I have a lot
23:42 of power and a lot of freedom so that’s
23:45 how I think about God and supernatural
23:47 in relation to his creation God can like
23:50 make it a little exception that i can
23:51 walk through the wall and i can fly in
23:53 the air and i can walk on water and i
23:55 can raise you from the dead and i can do
23:56 all the sort of stuff because he’s at
23:58 that high level you know just like the
23:59 programmer with the game and there’s a
24:02 perfectly reasonable explanation but
24:03 it’s a higher order it’s a higher level
24:06 then most people want to playing the
24:08 game they don’t get to experience that
24:09 because it’s like the programmer did
24:11 some trick you know so that’s the
24:14 supernatural it’s not some kind of so
24:16 anti science thing know that God is the
24:18 source of science but he’s above science
24:21 and he can make these little exceptions
24:22 you know so I just wanted to clarify
24:23 that about the supernatural okay I think
24:25 all that BS but she has expected now I
24:29 just wanted to talk a little bit about
24:30 Catholicism sexuality if you have any
24:32 questions about it no I add for most of
24:36 it is that they have one sec Charlie
24:38 they say no give me an example well for
24:40 one no sex before marriage I think is
24:42 that point okay I don’t know what to say
24:45 in response I think it’s a wholesome and
24:48 healthy doctrine that protects the
24:50 family how do you see family well we’re
24:52 probably the best way that I’m kidding
24:54 draw basic education before they go up
24:56 to school stuff like that you would
24:57 agree that there’s all that opportunity
24:58 for growth protection love absolutely
25:01 yeah that’s deeply and intimately
25:04 connected to old the Church’s teachings
25:07 about family about sexuality everything
25:09 that you love and cherish of a family
25:11 the church is fighting for you to have
25:13 more of that in society and it’s not
25:16 popular why because like you said
25:18 biology we have instincts and we want to
25:19 we want to reproduce we want to do but
25:22 sure there’s a first of all there’s this
25:24 thing called self control and there’s
25:26 this thing called reason and we can’t
25:28 just indulge every urge that we have we
25:31 can’t on the other hand I have to admit
25:32 that we live in a fallen world and that
25:35 we’re not marrying as young as we used
25:36 to and that creates a lot of tension and
25:38 a lot of problems and we have problems
25:40 with our education system we have
25:41 problems with their families you look at
25:43 the problem and nightmarish scenario is
25:45 arise where little girls are getting
25:47 these fake exorcisms or whatever they
25:50 are and people maybe have good
25:52 intentions maybe they don’t but it ain’t
25:54 workin out too well for that kid you
25:55 know she’s traumatized she can be messed
25:57 up for life she could end up killing
25:58 yourself so I admit that there are all
26:01 kinds of ways to go wrong and a lot of
26:04 that can be blamed on the sinners in the
26:07 church for example the pedophile priests
26:09 sure they weren’t living up to the
26:12 standards that they sign up that were
26:14 unreal Catholics like there could be two
26:17 pedophile priests one could be repentant
26:19 in the shower
26:19 and one doesn’t think he did anything
26:22 wrong he says I going to be a Catholic
26:24 always on Catholic so which one is he
26:26 god only knows but the duct test is do I
26:30 believe what the church proposes from my
26:31 belief do I pray with the church and as
26:34 the church proposes but I say do I
26:36 follow the 10 commandments and the moral
26:38 teachings of the church in principle and
26:40 my agreement with them they do I strive
26:41 to follow them with those three
26:43 checkmarks I can say with confidence
26:45 understand a confidence that I’m a
26:46 Catholic how did you think your
26:48 particular sect of Christianity well I
26:51 had studied the history of the church
26:52 and so I had already come to the
26:55 conclusion as an enemy of control why
26:56 aren’t you a moment because I know the
26:58 history of the church and I’d already
26:59 come to the conclusion as may theists as
27:01 my enemy of Christianity that
27:03 Christianity is Catholicism and that
27:06 everything else is a departure from that
27:08 Mormonism is a departure from a
27:10 departure from a departure so moment
27:12 isn’t complete bullshit there’s truth in
27:14 everything this is one of the Catholic
27:16 teachings is that evil does not exist
27:18 evil is the deprivation of the good it’s
27:20 like a it’s like cold calls within if
27:22 it’s just a big legacy and when you have
27:25 a healthy apple and you compare it with
27:27 the rotten apple you see the rotten one
27:30 it’s almost like a place been taken out
27:32 of it by those bacteria by demands by
27:34 everything else and that is a good image
27:37 of the evil the evil is like a parasite
27:39 on the good and it’s the lack of good
27:41 and the Apple itself is good and it’s
27:46 the same thing with health and sickness
27:47 health is the positive sickness is a
27:50 lack of health and like you said with
27:52 heat and cold I’m sort of thing so
27:53 that’s that’s a basic principle of
27:55 Catholic philosophy now men because I
27:58 ask you some general questions about
27:59 religion like do you have a favorite
28:02 religion i annoy you put it on but I’ve
28:04 always thought Buddhism because my calls
28:06 every individual but did some research
28:08 that have done killings before and then
28:10 a new Buddhism so that’s like wow that
28:11 religions shit now okay because I’ve
28:13 told the name of the gods comparatively
28:15 everything has been any atheists who
28:17 have killed someone because there isn’t
28:19 a god like in the name of there being no
28:21 God yeah kind of kills more people
28:23 though yeah but all that’s been in the
28:24 name because there is no god but yes I
28:27 don’t believe so yeah yeah I’ll get into
28:29 it I don’t believe in rayray yeah
28:31 it they kill people because they say
28:33 doesn’t know god I want to kill you yeah
28:35 because it’s a social engineering let’s
28:38 just clearing the slate and let’s do it
28:41 right this is killing in the name of
28:43 atheistic materialism it’s always the
28:45 case this is built in to the philosophy
28:48 of socialism and communism is built into
28:50 it oh I’m an 80s I’ve never heard of a
28:51 key signature your lips before let’s
28:54 talk about your debt what is the best
28:56 case scenario that everything one of my
28:59 organs can go to other people to help
29:00 them survive that’s the best case
29:03 scenario how is that not the best case
29:05 scenario you can’t think of anything
29:06 better what’s better than helping human
29:09 lives eternal joy fulfillment blues
29:12 pleasure everything you could possibly
29:14 want and more and more and more and more
29:16 right how do you compare that scenario
29:19 with your scenario you’re annihilated
29:22 and a couple of people get your organ
29:23 which one’s better my one of course what
29:26 because we get to help humanity but I
29:28 came to I have what you have and then
29:31 more so which you refer given the fact
29:33 that I have what you have em anymore if
29:35 you see a loved one down in hell you’re
29:38 not going to be happy you’re going to be
29:39 said you’re not going to be sad looking
29:41 down people on hell what if my buttons
29:43 there every person in hell chose to go
29:46 to help okay the choice of the
29:48 individual is not God saying you’re good
29:50 you’re bad you call me go you know it’s
29:52 the choice of the individual if you are
29:54 the love God you say yes to God and you
29:56 had on him can you possibly know that
29:57 the church kitchens me that and what we
29:59 really live in the show Chelsea well
30:01 it’s a choice I can either believe or
30:03 not believe I choose to believe right
30:05 now is the leap of faith to go to God
30:07 because he’s everything that’s good is a
30:09 source of everything that’s good i think
30:11 it’s a natural choice i’m surprised that
30:13 you don’t ignore my god i think is a
30:16 dick that’s why i want to go to his head
30:19 let’s talk about God for a little bit
30:20 what is it you don’t like about God okay
30:24 well worn I don’t hate him because he
30:26 doesn’t exist but if he did exist and
30:29 he’s the one giving us cancer he’s not
30:31 the sort some I’m evil oh well that’s
30:33 not the source of any evil a convenient
30:35 it’s by definition he is all good who
30:37 made the Sun God who made our DNA god
30:41 made us got perfect in the perfect
30:43 garden of eden and
30:44 we when we fell from grace we what may
30:47 not have what is falling from grace
30:48 digital bang God and then the
30:50 consequences def disease or strife
30:52 selfishness anchor well I’m disobeying
30:55 God right to do so why it’s not
30:56 happening to me there is stuff happening
30:58 to you like what I’m saying to happen to
31:00 minor well you do you only believe what
31:03 you can see when you rebel against God
31:06 when you willingly decide to do the
31:09 wrong thing you’re choosing a lesser
31:12 good like you know what the good thing
31:13 is to do but you make it more selfish
31:15 choice right there’s damage being done
31:17 to you when you do that and I do you
31:20 know about karma in Hinduism yes it’s a
31:23 real thing it’s not a row it’s a real
31:25 thing how do you know pot is causing
31:26 effect I can’t leave that at all of
31:28 course you do you stick your finger in
31:30 the fire what happens well yes you get
31:32 burned it’s cos gonna track that’s Karma
31:34 if that’s where you define camera yeah
31:36 then sure but karma in the sense that I
31:39 learned to believe it is if you did
31:40 something bad something bad happen to
31:42 you later if you do something good or
31:43 something good happen to you later
31:44 that’s what I just said it so why they
31:45 go hand in the fire doing that it’s just
31:48 because I’m an idiot right now it’s not
31:51 bad though it’s just me sticking my hand
31:52 in boiling what I’m getting burned in
31:54 fact you defined cameras then I guess
31:56 that’s common in your point of view sure
31:57 it’s just causing effect so I’m using a
32:00 very concrete simple example where it’s
32:01 just you and a flame and you choose to
32:04 do something stupid and you pay the
32:06 price immediately but there are lots of
32:08 situations where you’re like oh I have a
32:11 sexual urge and I’m going to act on it
32:13 even though it’s taboo it may not be an
32:17 immediate punishment quote unquote and
32:19 you know like when you stick your finger
32:20 in the flame it may take years for that
32:22 to manifest I mean are the tulip thing
32:24 at all in principle I know it created a
32:28 son right is the greatest humans in DNA
32:30 so why do you make the Sun that
32:32 negatively affect our DNA such that
32:33 cause mutations it didn’t originally
32:36 mankind’s do the two in films yeah
32:38 what’s an atom anees do that was so bad
32:39 that it was unnecessarily June the rest
32:41 of mankind with his play called cancer
32:44 it’s not enough wondering that was so
32:45 bad
32:46 nothing unnecessary there’s a perfectly
32:48 reasonable explanation for everything
32:50 good and but it happens everything
32:53 there’s nothing happening by accident
32:55 there’s nothing random and everything
32:57 that happens to you good and bad there’s
32:59 a perfectly reasonable explanation for
33:00 all that in all makes sense and it’s all
33:03 God’s grace all the good stuff is God’s
33:05 great and all the bad stuff comes from
33:07 sin original sin your actual sin your
33:10 parents actual sin your grandparents
33:11 actual thing ever all it’s all fitting
33:14 together in this jigsaw puzzle perfectly
33:16 and when you go to heaven and I hope you
33:17 do and I think you will you will see all
33:19 of that how it fits together beautifully
33:21 magically and how you had freedom and at
33:23 the same time everything oh what were
33:25 quickly into place once i’m in heaven
33:27 and i say a 10 year old who died because
33:29 she was hit by car why did she get hit
33:32 by a car why did God allow it to happen
33:35 because he can bring good out of it
33:37 that’s the reason why God allows evil so
33:39 my mother dying was a good thing from
33:41 God’s perspective yeah I don’t have my
33:43 god your perspective I acknowledge the
33:46 subjective depths of sorrow and the
33:49 heaviness of the evils of the world I
33:50 acknowledge it I’m the human being I
33:52 also acknowledge that whatever happens
33:55 is good there’s a dividing line between
33:57 the past and the future and we’re in the
34:01 now and this applies also to sin when we
34:05 look at the future we should not want to
34:07 fall into temptation but once we do it’s
34:09 too late there’s no point in building a
34:11 complex about it forget it it’s done go
34:14 to confession and move on you don’t need
34:16 to build it into some kind of a big deal
34:17 it’s not a big deal a murderer could you
34:20 get Vicki’s repentance that fixed it but
34:23 the dead person is back to work and
34:24 everything so move over the world No the
34:27 consequence is continued this is karma
34:28 there are no consequence it comes with
34:30 good according to you evil is not good
34:32 evil is not a thing right for lack of
34:34 good but the in the big story from God’s
34:37 point of view it’s all playing out just
34:39 as it should and once that murderer
34:41 repents and gets forgiven it’s done but
34:44 there are still consequences that need
34:46 to play out you know he’s still going to
34:48 suffer because of it I mean I hope he
34:49 does not be well I
34:52 and pretty natural isn’t it like a
34:53 sticky feel kinda fire each other system
34:55 menu go to the jail just as it was a
34:57 real thing yeah and in my I think we
35:00 should talk about justice because in my
35:01 world view and justice is perfectly
35:05 achieved in your world view is just this
35:08 achieved is that balance achieved
35:10 perfectly as in my world it’s a very
35:14 complex issue and it’s one that we
35:15 should not derive from biblical sources
35:17 is one that we should derive from
35:18 talking rationally with a group of
35:20 people there’s no comments no faithless
35:23 no ultimate thing that means everything
35:26 will go back to just not right there’s
35:29 no mechanism to punish the guilty and to
35:32 reward the good no absolutely not so
35:34 let’s talk about someone that you
35:37 probably look down on us some kind of
35:38 sick perverted monster criminal okay
35:41 show he has engineered in a very genius
35:44 clever way his whole life so that he
35:49 appears to be a saint and a hero and the
35:51 pillar of the community while at the
35:53 same time secretly hiding every evidence
35:57 that would expose the fact that he’s
35:59 driving all kinds of sexual pleasure
36:01 power domination pleasure so he’s
36:05 getting all the stuff that we want
36:07 pleasure money for a hour fame
36:10 reputation love from the family and from
36:13 the community he’s getting everything
36:15 that we want and a lot more than you’re
36:18 getting out of your life and a lot more
36:20 than I’m getting out of my life and he
36:23 lives a long life he died quietly in his
36:26 bed at night and without God and without
36:31 objective morality it’s kind of hard to
36:34 argue with the choices that this
36:36 creature made because he can read Darwin
36:38 too and he could say you know what this
36:41 is fascinating I believe it or I don’t
36:43 believe it doesn’t matter I’m not gonna
36:44 do what I want to do anyway sure what so
36:47 I think this is easy so I say it’s a
36:49 most of it it’s easy what do you say
36:51 about him you say the monster let’s just
36:53 sour grapes he’s living the dream he is
36:55 maximized his pleasure in all kinds of
36:58 way that you never dreamed of like I
36:59 mean you have never tasted the pleasures
37:01 this guy’s hat well he sounds like it is
37:03 not the culture
37:03 at all you do respect your conscience
37:07 you do respect it because of you
37:09 basically are you’re a good Christian
37:10 boy a lot of things I go to would hate
37:12 especially not believing in him you’re a
37:14 mixed bag like all of us no I’m not the
37:17 same as you no no no no no don’t for the
37:19 Solomon we’re not in the same back here
37:22 we know anywhere no I know you think
37:26 that your ridden with mistakes and false
37:28 yet but you’re not right so stop looking
37:30 down yourself that’s one thing i hate
37:32 about religious I view myself as a love
37:34 label go but don’t you feel derogatory
37:36 that you think you’re explain no well
37:38 there’s you can see who I think that run
37:41 dingy there’s a danger it’s a danger to
37:44 undermine myself in the wrong way yeah
37:47 but there’s another way where it’s
37:48 impossible to undervalue myself because
37:50 I am absolutely nothing and are
37:52 completely dependent on God for
37:53 everything that’s good I think that’s
37:55 very sad but it’s just reality depend on
37:57 God’s everything you want me to the
37:58 reality of stolen you need milk every on
38:01 every breath every heartbeat is a gift
38:03 from God no they get from your muscles
38:05 and your nerves even Jesus says to
38:08 himself I’m not a man I’m a worm God
38:11 Almighty empty themselves and became
38:13 human in all things in all weaknesses
38:16 except for sir very weird yes we yeah i
38:19 mean like it makes it a sensible it’s
38:20 the incarnation wow that’s so it makes a
38:22 lip sense now yeah I recession place is
38:30 because got a man no the second person
38:33 incarnated as a man right but there are
38:36 many people who claim that God’s in
38:37 their God the hollers not a map go out
38:38 he with other Christians that’s what the
38:40 radio shows for a bad it versus Catholic
38:42 as inertial properties anything is the
38:43 problem that many different religious
38:45 sects have different opinions why do
38:47 people have different opinions about
38:48 everything it’s because we’re ignorant
38:50 this one truth right well when it comes
38:52 in the Bible it’s thousands of these all
38:54 written by different people who
38:55 interpret it that’s the question is
38:57 there an authority is there an
38:58 infallible authority that can tell you
39:00 the interpretation of certain passages
39:02 or not if there is then we have divine
39:05 protection if there’s not it’s just
39:08 human opinion if your opinion against
39:10 mine as product sentence why don’t you a
39:12 Muslim they say Jesus was Muslim he
39:16 didn’t
39:16 died on the cross there’s plenty of
39:18 evidence so you did dive across they say
39:20 that the Christian writings are
39:23 fabrications and corruption of the true
39:26 teachings of Islam so there’s a sort of
39:29 rewriting of history it’s just too much
39:31 to believe as a scientific skeptical
39:33 person I wouldn’t call you a scientific
39:35 skeptic if you believe the things you do
39:38 believe about God you are dirtying the
39:40 name of scientific skepticism that’s
39:42 what you think you are well I’m very
39:43 skeptical science I’m physical science
39:46 you’re not a skeptic of religion shit I
39:48 also i am skeptical of Catholicism are
39:50 the things that you believe which at the
39:54 same time that you believe it you’re
39:55 also watching and waiting for the
39:57 possibility that you might be wrong so
39:59 you can change your mind yes or no
40:00 absolutely okay that’s how I am with
40:01 Christianity what if you read the death
40:04 of Socrates I think you’ll understand my
40:06 Christian perspective better he was
40:09 going to his death and he has in
40:12 principle this idea that God is one I
40:14 was not many that’s why they killed him
40:15 because they considered him an atheist
40:17 because he wouldn’t worship the many
40:18 gods of the state he believed on
40:21 principle that the good man cannot be
40:25 harmed by evil and those who unjustly
40:28 condemned him and killed him he were
40:30 harming not him with themselves why is
40:33 it on jobs if everything’s good there is
40:35 a lack of justice in the stolen world
40:37 I’ve never denied that but he rose above
40:39 it because he saw the light the light of
40:41 God he knew that virtue is all that
40:45 matters His goodness his clinging to the
40:47 good is not tarnished in any way by the
40:49 fact that he was unjustly tried and
40:51 killed by the people of Athens it would
40:53 in no way tarnished by that and that’s
40:55 why his story resonates with me as a
40:57 Christian it’s very similar no III more
41:00 into a psychic evidence and I don’t
41:02 really care about the difference between
41:03 good and evil I really don’t I think
41:05 that only anywhere close that I believe
41:07 it in not just a deity which is already
41:10 a huge claim and as we know huge claims
41:13 require extraordinary evidence but your
41:16 particular daily which is distinct from
41:18 the day leah’s or the other major
41:20 religions when I talk about the god of
41:23 Judaism the God of Islam of the god of
41:25 Christianity to me they’re one in the
41:27 same and the distinct
41:29 missions that are made our full
41:31 distinction so Muhammad didn’t get
41:35 talking to you about angel Gabriel not
41:37 according to Christian enough how to
41:39 push any nose because that book was
41:40 written 604 for the Quran this ring yeah
41:43 but I’m not a Bible along Christian I’m
41:44 not Protestant I’m a Catholic I have the
41:46 living voice of the church i have an
41:48 infallible Pope today Pope Francis who
41:50 is teaching me today what the Church
41:53 teaches but it sounds like the the Quran
41:55 it has 600 years more on the death of
41:59 Jesus Christ well there’s a new
42:00 realizing that the new updated to point
42:03 out of Christianity because the truth is
42:05 eternal and unchanging yes but the
42:07 determination all it’s a determined yeah
42:10 I would say so that’s pretty cool yeah
42:12 it doesn’t 80 your arguments that’s good
42:13 by the way God’s truth yeah what I mean
42:17 they just weren’t but how about its
42:19 freakin what did just words when you
42:21 said truth is eternal without just words
42:23 or sure yeah oh it was just words sure
42:26 okay sure it’s right now we’re still
42:28 sitting here on my table and with
42:31 something that anyways posted wards
42:32 they’ll button go ahead that eternal
42:34 truth that you believe in that’s got of
42:36 course Simon please no that’s really not
42:38 you just told me that you do believe it
42:40 you believe in the other is something is
42:41 true then it’s true yes that’d be
42:43 ternary independent of space and time
42:46 well I mean it’s a weird because if I
42:48 asked what’s the current prime minister
42:50 of australia i’ll send off in terms in
42:51 kenya’s time if you have to be the same
42:53 questions if I Minnesota Australia it’ll
42:56 be a different answer yeah but I view as
42:59 one great big piece and if you look at
43:01 life like a film strip so the truth of
43:03 that frame is still there even our ten
43:05 frames over you know from God’s point of
43:07 view he’s outside of time so he sees
43:09 everything at once and he sees all this
43:11 session of popes all this expression of
43:13 prime minister’s office especially with
43:15 a deaths of innocent people innocent
43:17 people yeah is that this another thing
43:20 too there is innocence but there’s also
43:23 lack of innocence sure I mean that’s
43:26 that’s true right yet i would say i’m
43:28 generally innocent a murderous niacin
43:31 right but there’s a mixture and
43:33 everybody but so there is innocence in
43:36 the murderer by the way wishy washy so
43:39 if someone dies in cystic fibrosis at
43:41 the age of 20
43:43 right then that’s okay with you I accept
43:46 reality do you know how somebody gets to
43:49 cigarettes or any genetic condition is
43:51 simply due to genetic recombination of
43:54 the two gametes the egg and sperm that
43:55 happen when they collide there’s no
43:57 original sin and I baby don’t give me
43:59 that bullshit this is the most self
44:01 evident doctrine in all of christianity
44:04 original sin how do you explain the
44:05 evils of the world come on you have to
44:07 admit it’s not perfect here and it seems
44:10 pretty messed up with the disease and
44:13 young people dying right one of the gods
44:16 just fix it he not good and he doesn’t
44:19 and because we have this principle that
44:21 he’s all good anything and capable of
44:23 evil we conclude that there must be a
44:25 good reason why he doesn’t and that
44:27 there’s something even better what about
44:30 like Leviticus where it says if a man
44:32 lives another man should be stoned you
44:34 do that no you’re contradicting the Word
44:37 of God no I’m not the Bible on Christian
44:39 I love living many times ago tell you
44:41 believing that everything that God does
44:43 what do you mean don’t believe in
44:45 everything that God does across do you
44:47 believe that say everything the word
44:48 exists because of God God is not the
44:50 source of anything evil God is the
44:52 source of everything that’s ago so
44:54 gorgeous myself and everything good he’s
44:56 the source of everything that is but I
44:58 like keep telling you evil is not hmm so
45:02 God is a source that’s gonna def inition
45:04 of evil i’m sure people would see it
45:05 more like this you know yeah and that
45:07 evil is a thing it’s a substance that
45:08 they’re like Gnosticism Gnosticism
45:11 teaches that they’re good and there’s
45:12 evil whereas Christianity teaches that
45:14 there’s good and then there’s the
45:16 deprivation on the lack of good so you
45:19 believe in the old testament of course
45:22 so is everything needs in the Old
45:23 Testament correct there is no error and
45:26 there is no contradiction in the Old
45:28 Testament God is the primary author of
45:30 the Old Testament right and it is a new
45:33 testament that too so what I asked you
45:35 before you lie to me someone else before
45:36 but every way yeah in Leviticus right
45:38 there’s nuance that you don’t appreciate
45:40 which I haven’t explained yet you watch
45:42 a giant give a shit about but it’s doing
45:43 the videos when it says if a man lots of
45:45 other men should be stoned yeah before
45:47 you said no I don’t believe in never
45:49 knew i’d like to say but now you say it
45:50 has an error so is it morally acceptable
45:52 to Stonegate it let me not
45:54 and let me explain why I bet it’d be
45:55 good it is good good so Jesus was
45:59 talking to the Jews of the day and he
46:01 gave a sermon on the mount and he said
46:03 you have heard it said in the old law x
46:06 but I tell you why you have heard this
46:09 but I tell you that so there’s an
46:11 augmentation and a progression of the
46:14 teaching right replacement no there’s no
46:16 replacement he said I didn’t come to
46:17 replace well I came to perfect a lot but
46:20 a Jew asked him a faithful Jew asked him
46:23 why did Moses allow divorce because
46:26 Jesus was preaching against divorce and
46:28 Jesus says Moses made a confession
46:32 because you’re stiff-necked people
46:34 because you’re stubborn difficult people
46:37 and he made a confession to you so the
46:39 truth contained in the Bible addresses
46:43 apparent contradictions in doctrinal
46:46 teachings for example in the Old
46:47 Testament with Moses allowing divorce so
46:49 it’s a lot more subtle than just saying
46:52 hey Leviticus says stolen the gay people
46:55 so you should do that no Jesus would say
46:58 look you’re missing the whole point did
47:00 he say that them did he condemn that
47:01 passage he did have a situation where
47:03 there was a woman caught in adultery and
47:06 the law says to stone her and he said
47:09 the first one without sin common throw
47:12 the first stone that’s all he said so he
47:14 was confronted with the letter of the
47:16 law firm from the Old Testament and what
47:18 was his reaction he didn’t participate
47:20 in that letter of the law he didn’t he
47:23 was without sin he could have picked up
47:24 a stone as donor but he didn’t do that
47:25 he said have any of these men condemned
47:28 you because they all walked away right
47:29 and she said no and he says neither do i
47:31 condemn you now go and sin no more and
47:34 it’s all recorded in the bottle and when
47:36 you come as an outsider and you say well
47:37 this weird things in the Bible you must
47:39 believe it and you’re inconsistent if
47:41 you don’t believe it you’re not looking
47:42 at the big picture you’re not looking at
47:43 the whole Bible you’re not looking at
47:44 the words of Jesus Christ and you’re not
47:45 looking at who he is from a Christian
47:48 perspective so let’s say that I had sex
47:50 with a man he chases came down and said
47:52 I don’t condemn you but go and sin no
47:54 more don’t tell me what to do due to be
47:57 yeah I’m a thief by Nature if he comes
48:00 and tells me David I don’t condemn you
48:02 but don’t steal anymore I won’t say well
48:05 who are you I mean I have these impulses
48:07 and I
48:07 respond to them because that’s natural I
48:09 can say yes to be in folder I can say no
48:11 to the impulse just like when i see the
48:13 hot secretary at work i can say look I’m
48:15 married should i do this or not lots of
48:17 justification possible right it’s like
48:19 hey I was drunk and she was wearing this
48:21 and whatever the music of it was natural
48:24 is what we’re made for biology Darwin
48:27 it’s the wrong choice sorry don’t say
48:30 yes to those impulses so he would tell
48:32 me to start a life with men yeah I’m
48:35 telling you that right now stop having
48:37 sex with men if you’re having sex with
48:38 men not a problem that biology says I
48:41 won’t have sex with my own sexy but my
48:44 biology says I want to sex with the
48:45 secretary but I’m married to my wife did
48:48 love to one day yes and you could yeah
48:50 you could if you wanted to the wrong
48:51 thing to do but these people watch too
48:53 you don’t want it their features they
48:55 desire to write the other people that
48:57 they want have sex with and your holy
48:58 book said that is ace what they don’t
49:00 believe the holy book and they’re free
49:02 to do what they want in your heart what
49:04 do you value more god’s way or your way
49:07 it’s God’s where you and what’s the
49:10 easier choice to do your welder do God’s
49:13 well what do you think which one’s
49:14 easier yo will absolutely yeah right
49:17 yeah but but can I get a good Catholic
49:20 yay yeah yeah but are they going to
49:22 finding out what the book says if they
49:24 don’t have a choice then there’s no sin
49:26 in that state of being a homosexual now
49:28 acting on it is a different question and
49:31 I don’t know how many times we need to
49:32 repeat that yeah but I can’t go to that
49:34 you think someone acting on their
49:36 homosexual impulses is bad saying
49:37 because I don’t know do you think it’s
49:39 the best thing of course what is freedom
49:42 is it license to do what you want where
49:43 your impulses your animal instincts
49:45 spirit and desire what is the highest
49:48 freedom for you being able to punch you
49:50 in the face right now maybe that’s
49:51 pretty frayed expat right but why why do
49:54 you are well because is my religion is
49:57 all about freedom right it’s like
49:58 because God is freedom you know God is
50:00 truth god is love that is Joseph go to
50:02 do because all the perfections go tues
50:04 vegemite guarded 7 he’s also a little
50:06 bit you know all of these perfections or
50:08 perfections which it is better to have
50:10 it to not have it’s better I think he
50:12 will admit that is better to have
50:13 freedom mentor not a freaking it’s
50:15 better to be just it’s better to be good
50:16 it’s better to be beautiful it’s better
50:18 to be holy so he is he is almost
50:20 perfection
50:21 but he’s not a circle even though the
50:22 circle was perfect it’s not better to be
50:24 a circle and not to be a circle now can
50:27 we exhaustively say what God is not we
50:29 can’t because he’s a mystery is beyond
50:30 understanding you will never be fully
50:32 comprehended by near creatures but we
50:34 can talk about God we can talk about God
50:36 with poetic way from talk about God
50:38 through analogy we can talk about what
50:40 God isn’t it sort of sculpt out what he
50:42 is by saying what do you think you can
50:44 talk about and while you’re 18 ships ya
50:46 know but my point is that you can
50:49 encounter God and you can believe in God
50:51 without exhaustively knowing everything
50:53 about God we can know a lot about God
50:55 mmm I can tell you a lot of stuff about
50:57 the grains of sand on earth I just can’t
50:59 tell you everything about them I can’t
51:01 tell you the rotational orientation of
51:04 each and every one of them they live
51:05 right but we still can encounter the
51:07 beach we can go to beach we can stick
51:08 our hands in the sand and will feel the
51:11 heat and it’s the same thing with God we
51:12 can encounter him and we can know that
51:14 he is the best show I think people who
51:17 think they have been in contact with
51:19 Christ as it’s diluted questionably guys
51:21 you didn’t believe that what would that
51:22 mean not just like mistaken but actually
51:25 diluted yeah I think that if I’m wrong
51:27 about Christianity I am deluded I don’t
51:30 think that I can somehow be wrong about
51:32 Christianity and not be diluted if I’m
51:35 wrong I’m dilute if you’re wrong you’re
51:37 deluded there’s no difference now we
51:40 can’t both be right we could both be
51:42 wrong we could both you’re wrong atheism
51:44 could be wrong Christianity could be
51:45 wrong and Judaism could be correct I
51:47 don’t think it’s a matter of like
51:49 picking aside well there is a truth
51:51 you’ve admitted that there’s an eternal
51:53 truth I have not ended it the sunchokes
51:54 yeah you have you said two plus two is
51:56 four eternally you said that we have it
51:59 on tape yet that that is right yeah
52:01 right but you’re going to twist that too
52:03 malcolm-a you think that now aren’t
52:06 twisting it what he said and eternal
52:08 truth there are many internal should its
52:09 then yeah just take all those truths and
52:12 just put them in one nice big pile pile
52:14 them up you can’t do it practically it’s
52:17 too hard right just like the grains of
52:18 sand but in principle you can say yeah
52:20 truth here non truth there right oh
52:23 here’s my truth right that eternal
52:26 unchanging and that is God Almighty
52:28 that’s the god of worship and not
52:30 wittingly it’s the God that you worship
52:31 to why do you think I believe in God Oh
52:34 because you believe in truth and God is
52:37 truth that is the most bullshit thing
52:40 I’ve ever heard come out of someone’s
52:42 mouth I’m not saying that you know you
52:44 believe in God I’m saying that you do
52:46 acknowledge eternal unchanging truth
52:49 therefore if you see the value in that
52:51 you’re seeing the value in my god
52:53 whether you know it or not I haven’t
52:54 seen evidence for any goats yet but you
52:56 see the two posters for so 2 plus 3
52:58 before that’s what voters but that’s a
52:59 proof of God how that piece is what’s
53:01 the proof of God if it is an eternal
53:02 unchanging truth that’s what God is but
53:06 why you believe in Gooden two equals
53:08 four the minus that also required to go
53:10 into existing and why specifically your
53:12 God there’s only one God according to
53:15 according to logic and reason because
53:17 God is perfection and if there are two
53:19 gods either they both have the same set
53:22 of perfections which includes simplicity
53:25 and image reality in which case they’re
53:27 one because they have nothing to
53:29 distinguish them or there’s something to
53:31 distinguish them and in that case if
53:33 there’s something to distinguish them
53:35 then one of them is lacking something
53:37 that the other has that he doesn’t have
53:38 and if he’s lacking something he’s not
53:40 good because God doesn’t like any
53:42 perfection of his two daughters medical
53:44 if you want to make a case for two gods
53:47 then you’re making a case for to false
53:50 gods if they differ if you’re saying
53:53 that they don’t differ then you may be
53:54 making the case for the one true God or
53:56 you may be making the case for one false
53:58 god because it all depends on what
54:01 you’re attributing to God are you
54:02 attributing evil to God then it’s not
54:04 God the God that you are angry with that
54:07 doesn’t exist in your mind I agree
54:09 doesn’t exist he doesn’t access to God
54:11 that you don’t like doesn’t exist
54:12 because he’s not perfect he consciously
54:16 gives people cancer according to you
54:17 right no he’s not the source of an evil
54:19 he gave us free will it cancels unable
54:21 what’s good cancer is a parasite on the
54:24 good it’s falling away from reality it’s
54:26 falling away from being well then how
54:27 good is cancer everything is good to the
54:29 extent that it is I don’t know making
54:32 process that is a nice gift for using
54:35 cutting things yeah so the 19th
54:37 ontological be good and the cancer is
54:38 ontologically good the fuck of the
54:40 extent that it is the function of a
54:41 knife typically is to cut things right
54:44 which is a form of a functional cancer
54:45 to kill people well
54:48 it has no conscious function just
54:50 something that doesn’t it’s a very
54:51 delicate and dangerous thing talking
54:54 about good and evil and talking about
54:55 the objective goodness of everything
54:57 that is but if you know what God is and
54:59 you know that he’s perfectly you know
55:01 that he’s not capable you know but you
55:02 said he can’t comprehend god dad you
55:04 know he’s because I told you also we can
55:05 apprehend god I can’t chart out every
55:09 cubic centimeter of the ocean but I can
55:10 go to the ocean I can dive into the
55:11 ocean I can feel the ocean I can touch
55:13 the ocean I can be immersed in the ocean
55:16 right so I don’t need to have every
55:19 scientific fact at my fingertips about
55:21 every cubic centimeter of the ocean to
55:23 encounter the ocean same thing with God
55:25 I can know that God is perfect i can
55:27 know that God is one I can know that God
55:28 is simple i can know that God is not the
55:30 source of any evil I can know that
55:31 without fully comprehensively
55:33 comprehending it so if you know who God
55:35 is if you know what God is then
55:37 everything will flow from that and all
55:39 the sexual morality that confuses the
55:41 atheist and the non-believer on a sexual
55:45 the truly faithful Christian homosexual
55:49 is tormented by his desires but he he’s
55:54 willing to fight but why is it a bad
55:55 thing to have sex with someone from us
55:57 because our human nature wasn’t designed
55:59 for that our human nature was designed
56:00 don’t you die help isn’t it they
56:02 shouldn’t be who they are you are free
56:04 to do what you want you can indulge in
56:06 every impulse and every instinct and
56:07 every lower base outside that you have
56:09 you can you’re free to do so i invite
56:11 you to think about it and respond to
56:14 your delicate conscience and to do the
56:15 right thing and if you do fall into
56:18 error it’s not a big deal just repent
56:20 and try not to do it again that’s all
56:22 and this applies to all sin it’s not a
56:25 big deal just try to learn from your
56:27 mistakes don’t do it again repent go to
56:29 confession with your Catholic if you’re
56:30 not Catholic do whatever you do in your
56:32 religion so what would you say to anyone
56:35 that’s listening if you wanted to sort
56:36 of give them a picture of where you’re
56:38 coming from because everyone has their
56:40 own kind of pot what I would say to any
56:43 atheist out there listening is who are
56:44 currently too scared to come out as
56:47 atheist because their parents are very
56:49 religious and your sched cooperative
56:51 afraid of what your parents will do go
56:53 online go find some support group to go
56:54 meet like-minded atheist friends right
56:56 because you’re not wrong and thinking
56:58 that there is no good because the other
57:00 evidence isn’t good enough
57:01 and you’re right so good on you for
57:04 being a native being an atheist isn’t
57:06 hard because we don’t have to claim
57:09 anything or we’re just saying look we
57:11 don’t believe there are any gods because
57:13 if all the God claims are not sufficient
57:15 enough at all the evidence you have we
57:18 don’t call evidence because it’s not
57:20 scientific evidence and scientific
57:22 evidence means that you can look at it
57:24 again and again repeat experiments on it
57:26 if it has different people repeat the
57:28 same experiments and you’ll get the same
57:30 results over and over right
57:32 scientifically tested them so it’s very
57:35 easy to be an atheist and when religious
57:37 people come and talk to you they won’t
57:40 understand they will think that these
57:42 value you believe in God which is that
57:44 I’m not going to say insulting because
57:46 they’re just wrong but just know that
57:49 you’re coming from the right place when
57:50 you’re rejecting these claims you
57:52 probably have serious friends right now
57:54 here you know we’re being limited by
57:56 their religion for example maybe they
57:58 won’t have sex before marriage but
57:59 they’re told not to so they’re really
58:01 frustrated and they feel angry maybe
58:04 that makes them money at marriage super
58:05 quickly so they rush relationships and
58:07 they feel perhaps is about to say enough
58:09 breaking up that happens a lot AAFES
58:12 typically tend to be more accepting of
58:14 homosexuals as you’ve seen this
58:15 interview here you can do what you want
58:18 really as long as you are a good person
58:19 to people’s well-being which is what I
58:22 think Jim and kind should strive to do I
58:24 don’t think we should spend any time
58:26 pleasing God at all even if god were
58:28 real we shouldn’t worry about him he’s
58:30 already got he doesn’t need any more lot
58:31 of our attention you should be helping
58:33 out your fellow human being instead even
58:36 if there was a god yeah you know a lot
58:43 of you think it’d be really rockin
58:45 questions my piano girl oh you got
58:48 billionaire all you gotta do it

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